There's quite a substantial difference between not mourning someone's death and dancing/pissing on their grave...
There really are a lot of horrible Vindictive arseholes on here today.
Perhaps slightly harsh, but I get the sentiment.
Looking around it's obvious that she left Britain very divided, and I don't believe that's a good state for a country to be in. And it will take a long time to heal.
More worryingly she started the ball rolling on the demise of Society, the Welfare State and heralded the rise of individualism also known as 'F*** everyone else, I'm alright and that's all that matters'.
Whether we'll ever recover from that is unclear....
More worryingly she started the ball rolling on the demise of Society, the Welfare State and heralded the rise of individualism also known as 'F*** everyone else, I'm alright and that's all that matters'.Whether we'll ever recover from that is unclear....
yep, things were just dandy before she came to power....
I cannot believe how many of you [ and let be honest neal* you are not amongst the most sensitive on here for] are shocked at the responses of some on here
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I'm not getting the superciliously twee notion that 'decent folk' should be being polite for fear of offending the corpse..
in fact how ****ing dare you!?
If you cannot enjoy a bit of humour in death, can't let your primal spirit out to play for a wee bit of a caper on special occasions, then it's you that's got the skewed morality
If you cannot enjoy a bit of humour in death, can't let your primal spirit out to play for a wee bit of a caper on special occasions, then it's you that's got the skewed morality
Most of it isn't particularly funny however is it?
Margaret Thatcher's final wish was to be cremated.
Unfortunately, we've no coal left
although that was..
yep, things were just dandy before she came to power....
The interesting thing is that they weren't, and yet despite having the unprecedented advantage of Britain becoming an oil exporting nation, something which obviously no other Prime Minister had previously enjoyed, she still, quite unbelievable, made things worst, eg unemployment, taxation, and government spending, all increased substantially under her. And growth was exactly the same as the decade preceding her. How she managed to make a bad situation even worse, despite having a huge economic advantage, is really quite remarkable.
yep, things were just dandy before she came to power....
No, they weren't. However if something is broken you fix it. She didn't. She destroyed industry and manufacturing. She had no interest in reconciliation between the unions and big business. All she did was take the balance of power and shift it violently one way. You cannot simply rip the heart out of industrial heartlands without replacing it with something else. She showed no empathy to many. Many will show no sympathy to her. To those who admire her principles, passion and refusal to change from [b][u]her[/u][/b] view of the world, history is littered with characters with these traits. Few of them were admirable. Neither is she.
I won't be dancing on any graves neither will I mourn her passing. Others may differ.
yep, things were just dandy before she came to power....
There are always problems to solve and issues to deal with. How you approach them and solve them is the issue. Divide and conquer, which was Thatcher's style does not lead to a harmonious society long term, the effects of which we now have to pay for....
Oh dear, I've only just heard the news.
First thing I thought of was a thread on here and some of the nastiness. I was right.
*No offence neal you were just the latest to do this and it strikes me as a touch naive to have expected anything different
None taken.
I'm not offended by anything that's been said, I'm no fan of Mrs T by any means.
Maybe I'm just a bit disappointed if I'm honest. I just thought that people would at least try and hide the nastiness behind a thin veneer of tact.
But maybe its better this way, its just unpleasant to witness that's all.
More worryingly she started the ball rolling on the demise of Society, the Welfare State and heralded the rise of individualism also known as 'F*** everyone else, I'm alright and that's all that matters'.
This, sort of
I'm not old enough to really be able to comment on her, but from reading up on the policies this is what comes to the fore.
We do have a society, but its badly damaged - and as a pragmatic leftie it seems to me that Thatchers breed of free-market capitalism can be seen as the basis of the "I'm Alright Jack" personality that this country has taken on.
It's utter rubbish to say "if you want to succeed, you will" because not everybody can succeed in a capitalist system as you only "win" when someone else "loses" - as otherwise there is no-one to compare yourself against. A manager pays his staff less than he potentially could so he can make extra profit for himself.
How were the towns in the north meant to succeed when the only available industry had been removed from them? It just left a void, causing unneeded suffering and everlasting resentment. They weren't supported - the cynic would say because they weren't natural Tory voters?
Privatisation is the theft of wealth and power from the 99% to the 1%. Cameron, Osborne, Gove & Hunt are all just following on in this image, but have learned from Blair how to hide it behind an Etonian smirk.
If this does all indeed stem back to her ruthlessness then I can really see why she is so hated by many in society.
The property debt bubbles we've had no end of (under both Tories and Labour), the huge waiting lists for council houses, the billions Councils spent on rented private accommodation for people who should be in a council house are all down to her buying an election by almost giving away council houses (that belonged to local councils) to tenants, effectively giving away billions of state assets with no long term plan on how to cover the gap left.
No matter how nasty and vindictive it gets on this thread, it will be nowhere near as nasty and vindictive as she was.
The world is a slightly better place today.
First thing I thought of was a thread on here and some of the nastiness. I was right.
+1
No matter how nasty and vindictive it gets on this thread, it will be nowhere near as nasty and vindictive as she was.
Yep, no comparison. She never shed a tear nor cared one bit about the millions whose lives she trashed in the name of Conservatism.
If you cannot enjoy a bit of humour in death
A loathsome, vicious, cruel and vindictive creature died today. Good **** riddance.
Try and find the humour there if you can but I wouldn't bother.
No matter how nasty and vindictive it gets on this thread, it will be nowhere near as nasty and vindictive as she was.
The world is a slightly better place today.
This is kind of my point though, it's not better is it ?
Her death has made no difference whatsoever, she's just an old lady who's died.
Nothing is better now than it was yesterday is it ?
In fact after reading some of the stuff on this thread, its a bit worse if anything.
george square was buzzing earlier.
Maggie, maggie, maggie, dead, dead, dead. was the most popular chant! 
First thing I thought of was a thread on here and some of the nastiness. I was right.
There was always going to be nastiness - show no consideration for people and they will show you no consideration in return. Its a sad fact of life and she must have known this.
The people affected by her policies were never going to forgive her as she never said sorry
theres some very sad people here today.
..and some pretty happy ones
I'm quite glad that people have been honest about how they feel. No faux shock over here to fit in with some kind of perceived need to demonstrate compassion even though you don't [b]really[/b] mean it. People genuinely hate her and are prepared to say it, people don't tend to do that, to express that negative side to themselves without a very good reason. It actually increases my respect for them.
Elected over 3 Terms. Got a real grip of the country and made some tough decisions. Forget the Miners strikes what about Northern Ireland? You lot really do go around with your blinkers on! If it doesn't affect you, you're not bothered. probably lived where you were born all you lives with nowt better to whine about. Shame on you. She made a difference, what have you done for the greater good? Nothing, apart from man your keyboards! RIP Maggie x
theres some very sad people here today.
Well that's understandable, quite a few people admired her.
Popocatapetl - Member
Forget the Miners strikes what about Northern Ireland?
What about it?
Forget the Miners strikes what about Northern Ireland? You lot really do go around with your blinkers on!
I thought the Tories had to sack her before John Major could start peace talks with the IRA ?
what about it? many many people in the 06 counties celebrating tonight. shoot to kill, collusion, the hunger strikes, etc... you are having a laugh right?what about Northern Ireland
Lifer, you should have been racing in the national, as you're a proper Jockey fella! Take your blinkers off and stop living in your little Village.
No faux shock over here to fit in with some kind of perceived need to demonstrate compassion even though you don't really mean it.
I agree.
But there is a world of difference between avoiding displays of false compassion, and some of the vindictive bile that's been posted on here.
Oh dear, all the Jockeys are out tonight 🙄
Sessomah, you wouldn't happen to be catholic by any chance? 🙄
A loathsome, vicious, cruel and vindictive creature died today. Good **** riddance.
Try and find the humour there if you can but I wouldn't bother.
I know I could if I tried.. but I won't 😀
The way I see it she has gotten her way though.. left her dark legacy
She has a voice.. We have somehow ended up in a right wing country again.. The tory triumph.. her diseased and cowardly minions peddle their smut from the safety of their keyboards, desperate for love and attention, for joy, for power.. hiding their shame in the digital white noise, growing in volume and religious fervour as they flock together.. an army of furious gollums that has cruelly spawned a generation of bulging eyed youths with veins throbbing at the temples and reptilian greed dulling their eyes..
The new brown shirts, hatefully devouring the bile and regurgitating it with a bitter adolescent resentment as they dolefully gulp down the myth that there may be someone weaker out there who is getting more than them..
And so she can rest as her dystopian nightmare has come to fruition.. her earthly body crumbling to dust to blow away on the breeze and choke us all with hopelessness.. her pestilence deep within every soul as love and friendship rot and are replaced with greed and arrogance..
The devil's final sigh of relief that good does not triumph over evil
“Never apologise for showing feeling. When you do so, you apologise for the truth.”
? Edmund Burke
that comment says more about you than i could..Popocatapetl - Member
Sessomah, you wouldn't happen to be catholic by any chance?
look poppa you have been challenged to explain what you think thatcher did in NI as no one can see what your claim is. Rather than insult people do you think you could explain what you meant?
you can call me blinkered but i still dont[ nor do many otheres] know WTF you mean
Can we clarify if there are any horse riders in tonight by any chance?
Popocatapetl - Member
Lifer, you should have been racing in the national, as you're a proper Jockey fella! Take your blinkers off and stop living in your little Village.
En anglais?
you can call me blinkered
I might do a little LOL if he does given all the "jockeys" comments. 🙂
EDIT: Oh shit, he sort of did call Lifer blinkered. 😐
I don't think this is just people venting at their keyboards. My wife was doing a ward round when the news came in and a spontaneous cheer broke out with one of the patients chanting 'No Poll Tax!' I think it is pretty telling that there are people on here who completely fail to understand the devastating effect the Thatcher government had on parts of the country. She was and is genuinely hated by large parts of the population especially outside of the affluent South.
En anglais?
You rode in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe?
I've quite a few mates that stay up in ayrshire (newmilns/cumnock/dalmellington) who were teenagers in the 80's and who's parents endured the legacy of Thatchers economic policies - i'm just off the phone to a mate in Newmilns who stays right in the centre of town and and he hung his phone out the window - all i heard was chants and singing, i guess she touched a lot more folk than the general hand wringers on here realise.
Gaw'd blees her soul eh?, i hear she's already shut down all the blast furnaces in hell, and privatised the soul reclamation business.
But there is a world of difference between avoiding displays of false compassion, and some of the vindictive bile that's been posted on here.
Vindictive bile? There's a sound bite. People express themselves differently and thatcher brings out the worst in her opponents as well as her supporters. Probably her legacy actually.
