[Closed] that 'my tram experience' clip on youtube

You can't possibly be misinformed. Our press go out of their way to provide calm, balanced, accurate and informed reporting on this particular subject 😉

Illegal immigrants should face the full force of the law. They should get no special treatment. The law is for all.

Sez someone who was bragging about using extreme violence, torture and murder against petty thieves...

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/police-officers-numbers#post-3221004 ]

My targeted action plan is break the thiefs fingers with pliers,then cable tie him and throw him in a river.

Dear oh dear...

SEND THE BUGGERS BACK!

I was banned for 48hrs for posting the video, reason from the mods was, posting a video with continued swearing. pathetic really, why not just warn?

Bit harsh. Such topics should be discussed, and yeah there's the swearing thing, but not a lot you can do about that, unless you're an expert with video stuffs and can edit out the naughty words.

Mind you, the thread had become a vehicle for a few numpties to post stupid crass sexual comments about the woman, and launch attacks on sections of society they don't like and need to feel superior to...

A family of immigrants then move into the 3/4 bedroom house across the road that you have no chance of getting. How would you feel?

How would you feel if it were a family of non-immigrants moving in?

Don't immigrants need housing just the same as others? Isn't the way we treat people with fairness and try to give them what they need in life one of the great things about this nation?

the immigrant family should also take responsibilty. They should not be given priority.

In what way are they given 'priority'? Got any actual facts to back this claim up?

Binners.

If the government were a bit more upfront about all their policies, the media wouldn't have as much power as they do in influencing people.

You only need to listen to the latest nonsense about the strikes. MPS just blatantly lie when being interviewed. When they get pulled up on their lies, they just lie some more.

It's certainly not easy to get to the truth.

Elfnsafety - I didnt say I wouldnt expect exemption from prosecution.

Elfin.

I do agree that immigrants need housing. There is plenty of private housing and very little social housing.

While I think that immigrants should be given the best chance to make a life for themselves, I also think that social housing should be for British people first. Surely there is way that this can all be done fairly?

I also think that social housing should be for British people first. Surely there is way that this can all be done fairly?

Well, if we made the immigrants British, then we could make sure that British people always got the housing.

While I think that immigrants should be given the best chance to make a life for themselves, I also think that social housing should be for British people first.

Erm.. if they are immigrants (i.e. have permanently migrated to the UK) then they ARE "British people"

Mingus.

We will obviously have to agree to disagree. I mean no ill feeling to anyone.

No CM you missed the point

I also think that social housing should be for British people first. Surely there is way that this can all be done fairly?

What we need is a fair way to discriminate against those who are not British

Led to uproar from weegies about why their houses werent getting anything done to them for years

Poor kid sat listening to that, gonna grow up with a well rounded attitude to our multicultural society eh?

While I think that immigrants should be given the best chance to make a life for themselves, I also think that social housing should be for British people first. Surely there is way that this can all be done fairly?

How many generations does your family have to be here to count as british? Does it vary according to the colour of their skin?

Again GrahamS, you know what I mean. You can be pedantic if you like.

As with Mingus, it looks like we will also have to agree to disagree.

I will say it one last time. It may sink in this time. I am not against legal immigration!!!! Whether you agree with my views on housing or not, please understand that.

[i]What we need is a fair way to discriminate[/i]

Maybe if you have been in Take a Break, appeared on Jeremy Kyle or been in the Jeremy Kyle audience you could qualify for social housing?

I also think that social housing should be for British people first

Why? Should it not be based on individual need? Why are British people in any way superior to immigrants?

And when you say 'immigrants', what do you mean by that? People newly arrived from overseas? People born abroad but with full British citizenship? Non-Whites?

Neighbour of mine was moaning cos her mum was moved out of her family home council flat, 3-4 bed place, to a small 1-bed flat, as all her family had moved out. The flat was then given to a Bangladeshi family. Neighbour moaned that her mum should've bin allowed to stay put as it was her 'home' and she'd worked hard all her life blah blah blah.

I pointed out the flat had originally bin allocated on the basis of need, that she no longer had the same requirements, it's not her property, the local council have a massive social housing shortage, and that 1 person rattling around in a large flat just kept a family in overcrowded conditions. And anyway, just cos the family are Bangladeshi don't mean they're not British. My dad's an immigrant, and he's British.

I hear this type of stuff all the time, but it's seldom backed up with any proper facts, invariably just jingoistic parochial waffle...

No CM you missed the point

[i]I also think that social housing should be for British people first. Surely there is way that this can all be done fairly?[/i]
What we need is a fair way to discriminate against those who are not British

Surely the very fact of them not being British is enough of a burden to them already. We shouldn't really kick a chap when he is down.

TJ please don't start bringing colour into it. As far as I'm concerned, it is irrelevant.

Again GrahamS, you know what I mean. You can be pedantic if you like.

I'm not being pedantic (trust me, you'll know when I am).
[url= http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/immigrant ]
immigrant (noun): a person who comes to [b]live permanently[/b] in a foreign country (OED)[/url]

If they are successful (legal) immigrants to the UK then they ARE "British people". That's how it works. They migrate here then have the same rights as any other British person.

Why? Should it not be based on individual need? Why are British people in any way superior to immigrants?

It's nothing to do with being superior. There are many british people who don't deserve to be in social housing. That is a whole different argument.

As i've said earlier I doubt we will ever agree on this. Please stop trying to accuse me of some form of racism though.

bobbyg81 - Member

TJ please don't start bringing colour into it. As far as I'm concerned, it is irrelevant.

Right - how do you know its an immigrant family that got the big house over the road then?

Anyway the point still applies -how many generations does your family need to be in Britain before they can considered british?

As i've said earlier I doubt we will ever agree on this

On what? Still not sure what your point is.

Right - how do you know its an immigrant family that got the big house over the road then?

Have you been reading this thread? You had to imagine you had three kids and then imagine the other family. So you know they are immigrants because that's the way you imagined them! Oh by the way, if you manage that, can you imagine up a playstation for the kids for Christmas, and a pony.

So all immigrants are non white?

Please stop trying to accuse me of some form of racism though.

Stop being racist then! 😀

Your current argument seems to read that some British citizens are more entitled to social housing than other British citizens, because the second lot arrived more recently and have funny accents.

If that isn't what you mean then clarify your position rather than complaining about people misinterpreting it!

I amstil interested in how many generation you have to be in Britain to be considered British. IIRC the queens grandfather was German. can you marry into britishness?

You see I might be an immigrant - as my great great great grandfather was German. I also have blue eyes - a source from both sides of the family and the original Britons did not have any blue eyed people IIRC. My name is a norman name as well

You know the welsh chappies? the true welsh are more closely related to the Mediterranean peoples that the rest of the ancient brits.

Its a puzzle for sure

Perhaps to qualify for social housing you should have been a British citizen for a set length of time?

So all immigrants are non white?

I was asking you about your definition of 'immigrants', is all. Not implying anything.

bobbyg81 - Member

Perhaps to qualify for social housing you should have been a British citizen for a set length of time?

How long?

All this kind of chat reminds me of a story that has always resonated for me. One of my friends at school, her mother was jewish had come over from Europe with her family before the holocaust. This may be one of those stories, but she told me that 500,000 jews had applied to come to New Zealand from Europe in the years leading up to WW2, and we had taken 5000.

Not that we could have taken that many, but still.

Anyway my point is that as a first world developed country we should be helping others. People don't abandon their own country and families because they don't like the weather.

My follow up point is that a lot of what contributed to the fact that we are a first world developed was Colonialism and the British Empire, and a lot of the problems in Africa etc can be reasonably linked to the events surrounding that.

(and sorry for mentioning Israel, I may have done so by accident, but I think I got away with it)

Why not ship the loafers and wasters out when we allow a immigrant in? i.e one in, one out.
If you dont wish to contribute to your country of residence, please leave (@ loafers, not immigrants)

And my next follow point - this kind of chat also bemuses me, I am from a country formulated almost entirely of immigrants, even the Maori can trace their ancestors coming over in canoes.

Perhaps to qualify for social housing you should have been a British citizen for a set length of time?

Okay, now that at least sounds less inflammatory.

So what are you going to do with those recent British citizens that fall on hard times, but haven't been here long enough to earn housing?

TJ
How long? I honestly dont know.

as a first world developed country we should be helping others. People don't abandon their own country and families because they don't like the weather.

+1. Excellent point.

Okay, now that at least sounds less inflammatory.

So what are you going to do with those recent British citizens that fall on hard times, but haven't been here long enough to earn housing?

Help them out with their rent in the private housing. That way they are well looked after, and people who have been British citizens for longer can have the benefit of cheaper social housing. Is that so unfair?

How about some tents? Then it'd be like a big adventure? We could recreate this to introduce them to very best of British culture

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Personally I couldn't give a monkeys about preserving British culture. I think a multi cultural society is a good thing,

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Help them out with their rent in the private housing. That way they are well looked after, and people who have been British citizens for longer can have the benefit of cheaper social housing. Is that so unfair?

You'll have to help me burst my middle-class bubble here, but isn't the idea of council houses that the council is the landlord so they can charge a reasonable rent which is taken from housing benefit - so the money effectively stays in the system?

Surely if people are in privately rented places then they'd need far more assistance with rent and the money would be leaving the system and going straight to private landlords?

Also I'm pretty sure people would then complain that the immigrants were getting nice posh private rented places while they were stuck in a council sinkhole.

"bobbyg81 - Member

Perhaps to qualify for social housing you should have been a British citizen for a set length of time? "

I tend to need housing most about tea time onwards so perhaps to be safe we should say that some one who has no home and intends to stay should have been in the country for 12 hours before we try and take them off the streets.

Despite a high number of homeless people cluttering up the streets and making the country untidy we do actually have more accommodation/houses than people. No need to Que jump just a need to utilize empty properties.

My surname clearly indicates my family immigrated around 1066 and were particularly unpleasant to the settled population at the time. At least we can claim that great great great etc granddad was only obeying orders.

Perhaps to qualify for social housing you should have been a British citizen for a set length of time?

People don't abandon their own country and families because they don't like the weather.

wrong.

i would - fuerteventura is the favoured destination for this chimp.

kids'll be all right

GrahamS.

You don't need to be on any benefit to have a council house. Dependant on your local council the amount of housing benefit you can get varies with income.

Lets say the maximum housing benefit you can get is £300 per month. That is £300 towards your rent in private housing. That rent may be £450 per month. You need to pay the difference. Say that is for a 2 bed flat.

A 2 bed flat from the council will only cost £280 per month to rent. You have to pay nothing.

Obviously if you dont get any housing benefit the cost differnce matters just as much.

I want this bird to come and be "the face" of Edinburghs new tram project!

bobbyg81: right that was pretty much as I understood it. So that means if they pay for folk to be in private rented accommodation then it costs the council [u]more money[/u] long term than if they give them council houses? (paying £300pm to a private landlord versus £280pm to themselves).

Why is that a better system?

It's not about being better for the council. It is about being better for the British citizen. Wherever they may have been born. British citizen for 2 years? I think you should get the house over someone who has been a British citizen for 1 month. I can't really see how that is unfair? Perfect? Far from it.

Its all academic anyway. Given the Tories latest wheeze, council houses will be dimly remembered anachronism before too long anyway. And knowing them, my tents suggestion will presently be being batted about in Steve Hilton's Blue-Sky-Ball-Endery dept.

Lets run it up the flagpole and see who salutes it eh?

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From twitter;

[i]The BNP announce this years pantomime is entitled 'The Lady and the Tram'.[/i]

I got a 2 day ban for posting this the other day , I think the horrible lady in the vid Is John Terrys sister. Just a hunch.

As a (sometime) archaeologist, I'd like to post up a vid of meself on the tube, ranting about (1) what we now call the UK was first settled by humans [url= http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/research_projects/featured_project_happisburgh.aspx ]nearly a million years ago[/url] (2) that, as modern humans, we ALL came from Africa (albeit probably with a bit of inter-breeding with [i]in situ[/i] hominin populations, e.g. Neanderthals in Western Europe) (3) that things like skin colour are environmental adaptations, for fug's sake (4) and most of all... that anything that made this country great is largely the result of us being a tolerant, [i]utterly[/i] mongrel (think: successive waves of invaders...) heinz 57 island nation.

But I generally mumble, so it wouldn't be very exciting to look at. 😕