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Explain why that [i]isn't[/i] a straw man? Posing for a calendar or being a hostess at a motorsport event doesn't seem much like a fight to the death (though I bet there's a fair bit of competition)TBH the male [ uber macho] equivalent is I bet we could find dome blokes willing to have a fight to death that does not mean we should let them
Have you seen the fight for the GHD's Scot? 😯
I did not say they were alike what i said was it is possible to find people willing to do things we probably would not allow them to do such as fight to death.
The point of this was to show that the fact the participants are willing to do the activity is not a sufficient reason on its own that we [ society not middle aged men] needs to "permit" it.
No i was more getting at the really thick neanderthal sexist closet racists who miss the most obvious of points.The sixth form debating society and hand wringing collective?
are you middle aged? You looked much younger than most STWers to me.
Oh it's coming along!
This thread is unbelievable.
the really thick neanderthal sexist closet racists
Where does the racism come in?
You mean ... if I show up to Miss October's house right now, she's there in hot pants and a crop top, just waiting for little old me? Wow!! Christmas came early!!
We're not talking about your fantasies (the above would be a work of fiction - please feel free to type more), we're talking about photos of the 'maxxis babes'.
No one claimed middle aged men* are or should be the arbiters of morality.
Not intentionally. But the balance of views aired on this thread. Driven by the forum demographics means that this is what is happening.
Clearly I said your female friend was a eunuch slave who wanted to fight to the death at least mis quote me accurately
Actually thought bringing in eunuch slaves was a bit wierd at best. I pretty much assumed an expression of frustration more than anything else. Yes, I know, shouldn't assume.
the really thick neanderthal sexist closet racistsWhere does the racism come in?
same place as the sexism
Actually thought bringing in eunuch slaves was a bit wierd
Indeed. I actually quite like the Maxxis eunuch slaves calendar
johnx2 - do you actually believe that the "Maxxis babes" exist? I don't want to imagine the look of disappointment on your face when you wake up tomorrow and discover that Santa is a work of fiction too 🙁
I actually quite like the Maxxis eunuch slaves calendar
Links, man, we need links!!
Ah come on. They turn up at races and events etc. They exist. As do photos of them. Presumably it's a job one applies for (one for which I personally am not well qualified.)
So unless this thread is taking some kind of ontological turn, don't say they're fiction.
No i was more getting at the really thick neanderthal sexist closet racists who miss the most obvious of points.
Some of us are homophobes as well. You missed that out.
(Also cruel to puppies.)
They turn up at races and events etc.
Is that why they're called racists?
Ah come on. They turn up at races and events etc. They exist. As do photos of them.
Proof of Santa's existence:
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In all honesty. This thread could do with adding the [url= http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat ]NUCLEAR[/url] option!
Cougar - ModeratorIs that why they're called racists?
I'll race any ****er....
the really thick neanderthal sexist closet racists
Thats fine..........but what about the closet racist neanderthal sexists ??
* who also happen to be thick 😉
Actually thought bringing in eunuch slaves was a bit wierd at best.
It was as extreme an example as I could think of to highlight that just because the participants were ok with it did not make it right or just.
@ Dr j apologies next time i doing a piss taking rebuke of the "other side" I will make sure i include that as well
Apologies from this sixth form[ and second rate] hand wringer
They turn up at races and events etc.
Is that why they're called racists?
Ah, I'd always wondered why so many people got called racists on here. Makes sense now. 😆
Junkyard - Please explain where the racism was in this thread?
You really are the Crown Prince of the Hand Wringers.
It's actually a tradition in our house to leave out a mince pie an a mojito for when the maxxis babes come down the chimney. And a carrot. For their reindeer.
I think you may be confusing magical fantasy and the corporate hospitality/marketing/modelling interface.
I think you may be confusing magical fantasy and the corporate hospitality/marketing/modelling interface.
Someone's certainly confused about what's fiction and what's not and I don't think it's me.
As a matter of interest, when someone nicks your bike, do you seek help from millionaire Bruce Wayne ?
p.s. do reindeer actually eat carrots?
It was as extreme an example as I could think of to highlight that just because the participants were ok with it did not make it right or just.
Ok, but that's not the effect you got from it. I just viewed it as hyperbolic nonsense.
You're still passing judgement on a third party without consulting them, you may well (most likely in my view) be correct. But it still leaves the process and result flawed. And yes, that includes my view as I've also effectively passed judgement.
confused about what's fiction and what's not and I don't think it's me.
No, it is you. These are actual young women who've applied for and got a job.
Some of us are homophobes as well. You missed that out.(Also cruel to puppies.)
You'll hate the calendar linked a few pages back then...
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No, it is you. These are actual young women who've applied for and got a job.
They also have a [url=
page.[/url]
do reindeer actually eat carrots?
yes, when they get chance
These are actual young women who've applied for and got a job.
Yes - actual young women who applied for and got a job and that job is portraying fictional characters. Just like old Mr Brown down the road who applied for and got the job of Santa at the local shopping centre.
EDIT
They also have a Facebook page.
OK - I take it all back - they must be real
OK - I take it all back - they must be real
I'm glad people are finally accepting a Facebook profile as proof of corporeal existence.
that job is portraying fictional characters
No it isn't. The job involves playing a role, as do many jobs. This does not mean that the individuals or the roles they play are fictional - they are real. And so is the calendar. Now can we just carry on arguing about that please?
This thread just goes further down the rabbit-hole each time I pop in.
"that job is portraying fictional characters"
No it isn't.
Now I'm confused, and not a little frustrated. If they're not fictional, where are these Maxxis babes? I've been looking for them but all I found was some grumpy lass in sweat pants and ratty hair telling me to stop stalking her.
Now I'm confused, and not a little frustrated. If they're not fictional, where are these Maxxis babes? I've been looking for them but all I found was some grumpy lass in sweat pants and ratty hair telling me to stop stalking her.
what's so difficult?
there is a facebook page linked - the same girls appear at all their events - the punters on the page know them by name.
johnx2 - Member
that job is portraying fictional characters
No it isn't. The job involves playing a role, as do many jobs. This does not mean that the individuals or the roles they play are fictional - they are real. And so is the calendar. Now can we just carry on arguing about that please?
Does that mean the amazing rehead Kawasaki girl I had hot monkey sex with after the NEC show wasn't real?
I'm glad people are finally accepting a Facebook profile as proof of corporeal existence.
A Facebook profile, a calendar or an electricity bill less than 6 months old (not downloaded from the internet).
That will stop a lot of arguments.
You're still passing judgement on a third party without consulting them, you may well (most likely in my view) be correct.
I am passing judgement on an activity they wish to do for money. If it helps I also pass judgment on hitmen* [ bad] paramedics [ good].
* only an example that you will misconstrue as hyperbole :wink:[quote=hels ]This thread just goes further down the rabbit-hole each time I pop in.
It does doesnt it
To be fair, there's been a lot of that in this thread. I especially liked the idea that the greatest threat to the future wellbeing of our female offspring is the result of a rubber company sponsoring a charity calendar. It puts global warming, religious wars, nuclear armageddon and the Tories into perspective.hyperbolic nonsense.
My spidey senses are telling me Scotroutes is about to be accused of whataboutery.
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I think I'm going to close this shortly. It's run its course and wandered well off topic, the last few pages have just been meta-bickering. If you've got any game-changing insights then get them in now.
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I especially liked the idea that the greatest threat to the future wellbeing of our female offspring is the result of a rubber company sponsoring a charity calendar.
See you do get the straw man thing 😉
I think I'm going to close this shortly. It's run its course and wandered well off topic, the last few pages have just been meta-bickering. If you've got any game-changing [s]insights [/s] insults then get them in now.
Exits thread to avoid hammer
<genuine question>
Is there a shortage of internet? Why can't the thread be left to either drift off into an existential haze? It might right itself, and return to the point in question? Do things have too stay on topic, otherwise they take a trip to a farm upstate?
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To be fair, there's been a lot of that in this thread.
To be fair I've not read much of it. As it just seems to be men determining what's right and wrong for women largely without female contributions.
*runs away*
It's run its course and wandered well off topic
Bit late for that, that happened about 1100 posts ago.
Does that mean the amazing rehead Kawasaki girl...
Definitely not real...
Can I just stay that locking this thread would be the sort of thing hitler might do? And the nazis? (christmas godwin.)
the last few pages have just been meta-bickering
One man's meta-bickering is another man's WHOLE POINT - which is that claiming that the Maxxis babes are a threat to the human race is a bit daft, since they don't exist beyond the roles played by a bunch of models. Men can (mostly) distinguish between reality and fantasy, and recognise that they cannot take real world decisions and actions based on fantasy characters.