[Closed] That Maxxis "babes calendar" article...

If Maxxis HAVE pulled the calendar, I hope this Adele or TWC will fill the funding shortfall to Macmillan themselves. Easy to be outspoken, harder to follow things right through and mitigate losses to a charity as a result of her actions if that does turn out to be the case.

Looks like McMillan make a lot of money from a spot of objectification.
[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uni-female-rowing-team-strip-6897694 ]here[/url] is just one of many although I am sure some of the antis will disagree with this aswell but some may think this is ok as its not advertising tyres.

There are literally hundreds of these calendars modelled by male and female, lots of beautiful university people to hunky firemen to middle age people who are well, not as toned as there younger counter parts. Reason being for what ever reason nudity must clearly sell. But maybe these calendars could be classed as art by some, so again to some rendering them acceptable.

Apparently Ryan air did a bikini babe calender from 2008 to 2014 using there cabin staff as models (whos idea it was in the first place) but stopped due to a campaign claiming it demeaning and sexist, there last calender alone raised £78,000 for a children's cancer charity.

I am with Dan and don't think these calendars cause or compound sexist views and a great many people can own and view them without reverting to flashing on the underground or treating woman like second class citizens.
And campaigning against them because some undesirable people may buy them is like campaigning to have all cars limited to 70 because some people drive like knobs.
If all such calendars did disappear chairities would loose millions.

If Maxxis HAVE pulled the calendar, I hope this Adele or TWC will fill the funding shortfall to Macmillan

I'm sure Maxxis could afford to fund the shortfall themselves if they've acknowledged the calendar was inappropriate. Or maybe they could just organise some other way of raising funds which wasn't sexist?

It's the LA defence again.

So what do we think about the ladies from the Oxford Rugby Club?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/620957/Brainy-Oxford-rugby-babes-strip-sexy-nude-calendar-match-Cambridge

I'm going to raise some money for a donkey sanctuary by publishing a calendar with me drop kicking a different kitten every month

do you really need "context" explained to you?

Can you honestly not see why or how a charity calendar featuring non models posing in parody is different from a calender designed to sell a product* featuring models posed in a way designed to arouse?

Our do you really just see naked women, and just can't see past that?

* I'm aware the Maxxis calendar was raising money for McMillan, but none of us are deceived as to the real motive, right?

Maxxis could just donate some money without a babe calendar...

The whole idea of a fundraising product/event is not that the brand running the product/event donates the cash - they provide the resource/raw materials to sell and so raise the cash.

[quote=andyrm ]The whole idea of a fundraising product/event is not that the brand running the product/event donates the cash - they provide the resource/raw materials to sell and so raise the cash.

But they could easily afford to. Charity fundraising is so often a load of BS.

Some of you seem to be missing that this is a marketing exercise, they aren't doing this charity calendar out of the goodness of their hearts. In reality it's coming out of their marketing budget and I'm sure they expect to see a return on it - this is after all the sort of thing which they might otherwise give away for free. If they were really serious about supporting charity they would just donate the money.

[quote=aracer ]

andyrm  » The whole idea of a fundraising product/event is not that the brand running the product/event donates the cash - they provide the resource/raw materials to sell and so raise the cash.

The same could be true of many, many fundraising efforts. We could start with just about any charity supported by the Royal Family.

do you really need "context" explained to you?

No obviously not.

here is just one of many although I am sure some of the antis will disagree with this aswell but some may think this is ok as its not advertising tyres.

I already said some people would be in the above camp, and that would be you.

But equally I am sure some people would still be opposed. As once all the tyre calender have been self censored the flasher will be left no choice but to snap up all the calendars that don't Obvs.

Some of you seem to be missing that this is a marketing exercise, they aren't doing this charity calendar out of the goodness of their hearts. In reality it's coming out of their marketing budget and I'm sure they expect to see a return on it - this is after all the sort of thing which they might otherwise give away for free.

Do you have an inside line on Maxxis' global marketing strategy and budgets?

And saying that they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts is also pretty cynical. Having worked in major corporates for the last 15 years, every time there is some kind of charity activity, the choice of charity tends to be chosen by staff/management and is based on some kind of personal tie to a sad life experience (kid with cancer, untimely employee's death etc etc) leading to the final choice.

The company then usually allocates seed capital/resource funding to produce the event/product, which is then targeted to generate in the region of 10 times that initial investment for the charity.

That in my book is a good thing.

[quote=andyrm ]Do you have an inside line on Maxxis' global marketing strategy and budgets?

No, but I know a couple of people who are marketing directors for major brands (and have benefited directly from marketing department money).

What you seem to be describing is the sort of charity stuff companies do relatively quietly - which clearly isn't the case at all here, where there's a lot of "woo Maxxis" fanfare, along with something as I just pointed out which is clearly simply Maxxis marketing material.

there was mutch ado about the pirelli calendar "empowering women" i think this is a buzzword because it just seemed to be full of growlers or wrinklies

REALLY 😯 http://pirellicalendar.pirelli.com/en/the-cal-2016/shots

oh and just for comparison you can look at all their calendars over the decades

http://pirellicalendar.pirelli.com/en/time-machine

Jesus.

I'm going to talk about bikes now - see ya.

Still stuck on first base I see.

Why not STW?

Like this, perhaps?

http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/singletrack-readers-raise-16k-for-cancer-charities/

[quote=Cougar ]Why not STW?

Like this, perhaps?
http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/singletrack-readers-raise-16k-for-cancer-charities/

[quote=chip ]

do you really need "context" explained to you?

No obviously not.

You simply don't agree with the concept, given your apparent disregard?

But equally I am sure some people would still be opposed.

Any on this thread? It's a bit strawmanny isn't it?

As once all the tyre calender have been self censored the flasher will be left no choice but to snap up all the calendars that don't Obvs.

I'm sure there will always be material available for such chaps - that's really not the point at all.

[quote=scotroutes ]STW Staff Hunks

oxymoron

- that's really not the point at all.

Fiona clearly stated it is though and linked this calender to her being groped and flashed at.

You probably need to re-read what she wrote.

I can recognise a concept and still disagree with it.

You probably need to re-read what she wrote.

Maybe you do.

One final attempt to explain why I'm

not comfortable with the calender (if anyone in this thread remembers what the debate was originally about)...
I've been groped on the tube. I've been flashed at on the train. I've been leered at on the bus. I've been harassed walking down the street. I've had men in cars shout things at me as they drive past. I've had comments when I'm on my bike. None of these experiences are unique - all of my female friends have similar tales.
Do I blame the calender for those experiences? Of course not.
But...
Do I see the calender as both SYMPTOMATIC AND SUPPORTIVE of a society that says it's ok to treat women like that? Absolutely.
Do I want the calender banned? No.
Do I hope that type of marketing finally dies out as support for it dies? Yes.
If anybody is still struggling to understand the above I honestly don't know what to suggest.

 

Do I blame the calender for those experiences? Of course not.

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From personal experience, I'd say that the strength with which these views are held is inversely proportional to the intellect of the person holding them.

Binners, page one of this thread. 😆

And saying that they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts is also pretty cynical.

WHether it is a good thing or a bad thing is different from debating their motives. which is clearly a win for them and the charity at the lowest cost for them [ this may not be a major factor it might just be a lucky coincidence].To argue otherwise is incredibly naive.

Mole grips I said linked old bean.

Do I see the calender as both SYMPTOMATIC AND SUPPORTIVE of a society that says it's ok to treat women like that? Absolutely.

This isn't going to end well.

Gobochul, page 1 🙂

Mole grips I said linked old bean.

Yes, but the causative link is the opposite of what was implied.

And saying that they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts is also pretty cynical.

Whena company does a massive PUBLIC charity events publicised on their own website /social media/general then they are clearly doing it for reasons other than pure altruism. They can do this in secret if they do not wish the company to gain by being associated with the charity and with raising money. Hell they could even donate some of their profit in secret to a charity. yt they chose the public way of raising money that costs them NOTHING beyond time.
WHether it is a good thing or a bad thing is different from debating their motives. which is clearly a win for them and the charity at the lowest cost for them [ this may not be a major factor it might just be a lucky coincidence].To argue otherwise is incredibly naive..

Is that what STW did, raise money in secret.
Should I be cynical about there motives.

I really would not have bought this up but cougar felt he had too.

She said, this calender supported a society that says it's ok to treat women (grope and flash) like that? Absolutely.

And maaxis did donate there own money, they matched calendar sales pound for pound.

She said, this calender supported a society that says it's ok to treat women (grope and flash) like that? Absolutely.

She said
a) Does she blame the calendar? No.
b) the calendar is symptomatic of an abusive society
c) the calendar is supportive of an abusive society

so 1 out of 3 things she said can be interpreted to be critical of the calendar itself.

Talking about "society" is a bit tricky - the societies with the highest levels of equality tend to have open attitudes to pornography (Sweden, Denmark) whereas the opposite is also true (Saudi).

Did she link this calender to people flashing and groping? Yes or no.

Whena company does a massive PUBLIC charity events publicised on their own website /social media/general then they are clearly doing it for reasons other than pure altruism. They can do this in secret if they do not wish the company to gain by being associated with the charity and with raising money. Hell they could even donate some of their profit in secret to a charity. yt they chose the public way of raising money that costs them NOTHING beyond time.

"Massive public events"? There wasn't even a link on their website that I could see. It was a mailshot to their existing customers. One of which took the hump and posted a massive public overreaction to the internets.

It kind of has to be public to raise any money.

chip - the complete inability of some on here to follow simple logic is beyond belief. This lot can't tell the difference between saying this specific calendar is OK and making a case defending all sexists and sexist behaviour in society.

So, if you want to brand everyone with a different opinion as you a sexist that's fine. It just makes you look daft and weakens your case against actual sexism.

Did she link this calender to people flashing and groping? Yes or no.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Now I Am not an intelectual Titan but I believe that statement is a straw man.

Am not an intelectual Titan but I believe that statement is a straw man.

I never taught logic, but I believe it's not. It's the usual illustration that "yes or no" answers are inadequate.

I am not so sure the auto code for related stories has it quite right on STW either.
This is below the Rachel Atherton for SPOTY blog on the front page.
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DrJ - she did link the calendar to flashing and groping. So the correct response would have been "yes" as opposed to "have you stopped beating your wife?"

Lets stop sexism so we can all be more civilised and get on together I hear you shout. Oh, but if you don't like the way I do it you can **** off back to the stone age you ****. Now that is ironic.

"Massive public events"? There wasn't even a link on their website that I could see.

It was a mailshot to their existing customers. One of which took the hump and posted a massive public overreaction to the internets.

It kind of has to be public to raise any money.

I'm not interested in arguing with anyone who is wilfully misinterpreting my comments but I stand by them. As I said, I'm not claiming to somehow speak for all women, just as I wouldn't expect any of the male posters' comments to represent all men.
The most offence seems to have been taken by those who think I'm suggesting that all men, without exception, will be influenced by the calender to go out and abuse women - clearly that's not the case. It's a wider issue.

Interesting point by DrJ about the Scandinavian countries. Perhaps it shows that as equality increases here, we'll be able to grow up a bit about sexuality and nudity (e.g. our prudery over nudity compared to violence in films). I suspect the two things (equality and tolerance) need to develop in tandem, and my view is that things like this calender set that back a few decades.

Now that is ironic.