[Closed] 'That eating plan!!!'

started back on it this week. Not sure how much more eggy meat/meaty eggs i can stand for breakfast 😆

111.8kg on New Years day got down to 93kg by the end of May, then sort of eased off on it, but back on it as of yesterday and currently 97.3kg.

Anyone able to send it -or a rough guide- through?

I've been dieting down the last couple months, (from 84.5 to 78) but would like to drop a bit more!
But now at the point where i'd like to do a bit of experimenting with diets, better in winter when base training than summer when racing!

What ever did happen to iDave?

no idea mate, but thanks to him emailing me and telling me not only what i should and should not be eating, but also explaining why it works, i am 4lbs short of 5 stone lighter than i was at the beginning of march.
also the big weight loss has helped a massive way towards getting my health back, and letting me get back cycling.

so cheers Dave, if you ever take a peek on the forum and see this post.

Is this diet plan readily available or has the means to get hold of it been retired too?

Yup, could do with losing a pund or twenty meself!

It used to be up at Google Docs, but link doesn't work anymore. I did save the basic points though:

• NO bread, pasta, rice, potatoes etc
• NO drinks with calories
• NO fruit
• NO Cereal
• NO Dairy
• As in NONE. Just don’t do it, even a bit

As much as you want of …….
• Vegetables
• Beans/lentils
• Lean meat
• Eggs
• Seeds/nuts
• Lots of water
• Coffee
• Red wine with meals.
One day a week eat what you want

Couldn't stick to it myself. Intermittent fasting works better for me.

ton - have read most of your threads on here over the years, but missed last wee while (since electric bike times) Sounds like you are back to decent health again ? how is the heart ? sounded bad a while ago but recent history looks like you are on the up ? Hope so indeed 🙂

Still going, into second year now. Had 3 months where we were touring in France and keeping to it was hard (impossible), but now back in the swing.
Steady now at around the ten stone mark and don't seem to see much change if we are away from it for a while i.e visiting relatives. Miss it now when we have to eat "normal" food.

iain, i very very well at present mate, thanks for asking.
back to riding every day, with a ride thrown in at the weekend too.
my AF problem is a permanant thing now that is being managed a lot better with meds.
slower than eer uphill tho......... 😆

If anyone is interested I have it stored in iBooks so drop me an email (in profile) and ill send it to you

Yup, could do with losing a pund or twenty meself!

*Chuckles*

Failed rather badly whilst trying to ride very fast on commutes. Losing weight other ways though slowly.

I gave the plan to a moderately fat but tall and big bloke at work and he's losing weight alarmingly quickly, morphing into a rather impressive figure before our eyes.

iain, i very very well at present mate, thanks for asking.
back to riding every day, with a ride thrown in at the weekend too.
my AF problem is a permanant thing now that is being managed a lot better with meds.
slower than eer uphill tho.........

nice one, chuffed for you 🙂

Got myself down from 119Kg to 112Kg by exercise but just kept injuring myself as I was a tad too chunky. Tried that diet and had spectacular results. Lost something like 10Kg in a week then 1Kg per week after that. Thought it was water loss etc but it appears it was just pies & mars bars leaving my body.

My problem was that despite exercising I ate like horse. I was running flat out 45 min, easily sit-up/press up to 100 each, six days plus a week. And MTB all the time. Basically fit bloke in fat suit. I am worried what damage I did myself by eating junk.

Whilst I suspect any diet would have worked, the day off suited my inner glutton.

The weight loss actually had work colleagues checking I wasn't ill due to my clothes being comedy large.

i probably stick to it about 10ish days of the month and that seems enough to maintain my weight nicely.

molly, what other ways you losing weight with at the moment? 🙂

molly, what other ways you losing weight with at the moment?

Well done Ton.

i've managed to get back down to 12st by getting a dog, think the walking in the mornings and evenings have increased my BMR substantially compared to my normal winter slump

I've been following the 45 minute rule, no carbs for several hours before exercise or 45 minutes after the start. It keeps your body in fat burning mode.

In practical terms this means no breakfast, ride hard to work (40 mins) and then eat something carby, something carby or not for lunch depending on what's available, then nothing all afternoon, nothing on the ride home and a 'normal' meal ie with a portion of starch and a soft drink when I get back.

I lose a bit of weight doing this but I seem able to ride pretty hard which means I can get fast pretty quickly. I did it for three weeks and then managed to keep up with my fast mate on a road ride on steep climbs, which is a big deal cos he's skinny and fast 🙂

Also ton - glad to see you enjoying riding still 🙂

i'm flirting with it. had a blow out the last ~10 days but generally stick to it for at least 2 meals a day.

find dinners the hardest. omlettes / bacon eggs for breakfast is easy, take a salad for lunch.

If i don;t have a plan in my head for dinner 24 hours ahead i often draw a blank and end up eating chips/ pasta!

good to hear you've got through the exercising without carbs barrier you were facing dude 🙂 its surprising how quickly the body adapts isnt it!

I modified it it slightly so I'm 6 days of gluttony and 1 day on the veg, it's not working great so far though and I fear with mince pies on the supermarket shelves the one veg day may be given up soon...

Molly, riding hard isn't fat burning zone though is it? I'm doing kind of similar, but Z2 which is definately not hard. I do get that you'll have burnt more calories than just bimbling though, but Z2 (for me) seems to result in less sugar cravings, steady energy etc. But i fail to see how im going to be fast come start of race season in March atm 😕

I'm all about the [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/horizon-fasting-dietlifestyle-35-weeks-in-updates ]5:2[/url] fast.

I've lost 2st in 6 months by moving more and eating less crap. Not a pulse or lentil in sight.

Not a pulse or lentil in sight.

Why not? Good nutritious food. Ask any Indian.

Molly, riding hard isn't fat burning zone though is it?

Well a certain coach who used to come on here was not a fan of the fat burning zone idea, and neither are many other coaches who write online articles. Safe to say that there is a movement away from that idea currently in favour of HIIT.

I'm going for the fast approach for a few reasons

1) It's more fun
2) I haven't got all that much time generally
3) I want to train to be fast, not to ride forever
4) There's lots of evidence to suggest that it's more effective at weight loss for less time.

I'm doing a modified version because, hey, we're all different.

modified how? you should be growing a dadlydarcybelly

Well a certain coach who used to come on here was not a fan of the fat burning zone idea, and neither are many other coaches who write online articles. Safe to say that there is a movement away from that idea currently in favour of HIIT.

As I understand it the old "fat burning zone" theory has been debunked. Whether the body stores dietary fat or uses stored fat for fuel is determined by levels of hormones, principally insulin I believe, which is what I think molgrips is implying based on his "no carbs around exercise" rule. This is the entire basis of "that diet" although I don't think any of the "official" documentation ever actually explained how it worked in scientific terms. If you want more info it is all covered in Ferriss' book The 4 Hour Body.

I'm reading an interesting book called 'Racing Weight' at the moment and am going to give it a go ... its not rocket science and seems based on the general 'bleedin' obvious' principal - eat less crap, do exercise BUT what makes this book worth a read IMO is it is focused on folks like us that are into an endurance sport AND looks at not specifically weight loss but fat loss. Lean and mean.. well, not mean but you know what I'm saying.. 😉 Recommended.

but Z2 (for me) seems to result in less sugar cravings, steady energy etc

My approach is currently to eat as much simple carbs (but trying to avoid the really high GI stuff) as I feel I need, but only at the right times - otherwise I get really tired in my legs. If I get tired I just eat more carby things at those times.

zilog - that is what I mean yes - insulin inhibits lipolysis, meaning that if you eat simple carbs whilst riding, you end up wanting to eat more simple carbs.

nsulin inhibits lipolysis, meaning that if you eat simple carbs whilst riding, you end up wanting to eat more simple carbs.

AND looks at not specifically weight loss but fat loss.

I do eat carbs on longer rides, but only after 45 minutes and after hving fasted for several hours first. I find that I will still be quite tired during this 45 minute period but when I pop a gel it's fantastic, I take off like a rocket (relatively speaking!). And it lasts for ages too, I might only need one or two gels on a three hour ride.

[i]I've been following the 45 minute rule, no carbs for several hours before exercise or 45 minutes after the start. It keeps your body in fat burning mode.[/i]

I'm doing something similar - two mornings a week I ride for about 45 minutes straight out of bed, then don't eat until lunch. This, along with cutting out snacking and (usually) a 'normal' ride at the weekends has had me dropping about 2lbs a week for the last month.

No 'special' foods, just no/little 'crap'.

i put on too much timber after taking a break from cycling and went from 12 stone 7 to 14 9 , far too fat for 5'10 well 9" and a bit lol i did the dukan diet as it was easy to do and didnt seem to bother me at all, im now just keeping an eye on what i eat but not too much as im eating smaller portions anyway after eating less since last christmas, i still try to do a pretty much full protein day a week but ive been settled at just under 11 and a half now for a couple of months. much happier now 😉

just cost me a fortune in new leathers for the bike lol

i still throw in the weekly kebab tho as i cant do without, its my achilles heel

Well I'm effectively off the diet atm.

My limited and faddy food tastes means that I have a pretty limited scope of food and end up repeating the same food day in day out and it just gets all a bit, well, boring. My failure I admit.

So for the last 2-3 months I've been slipping into the old ways. And surprise I've put back on weight and I have less energy (and my skin complaints are beginning to rear up again).

I'm definitely getting back on it soon though as I dropped 3.5 stone which meant for the first time in years I was actually light enough to head to the alps with my roadbike and have fun.

I need to find more variety in meals that I can easily (enough) procure, prepare/cook and eat...

Oh, and keep on keepin on Ton, its little pricks to the conscience like this that will get me back on the One True Path

For the first 45 minutes you should fly on glycogen stores whatever you've eaten in the previous 12 hours. If you have no glycogen stores you're eating badly in general.

I used to do a 33km hilly commute (Pau-Oloron via the D24 used by the Tour) and often got up too late to eat. It made little or no difference to how I felt as the ride only lasted an hour. Hunger on arrival was not a problem, it was a chocolate factory.

For the first 45 minutes you should fly on glycogen stores

In my experience, for me there is definitely a difference between using glycogen stores and having glucose floating around in my blood from recent food intake.

I don't know if it makes a significant difference in terms of time or not. The route is too full of traffic so it's hard to tell, although times are close. However it certainly hurts a lot more, in a specific way, than if I have had a carby breakfast, or even a proteiny one.

However when I go on a longer ride there is definitely a change in how I feel. I start off feeling ok, but riding hard is a bit uncomfortable. After half an hour I start to flag, then I start to recover to a reasonable level and get comfortable. Then I take the gel, and suddenly I'm full of it ready to hammer everything feeling much better.

It's worth noting that I used to be unable to ride hard before breakfast, but now I'm much better at it.

Now instructions for the rest of the thread - don't dismiss my experience based on your own, ok? 🙂

I did the "he who must not be named" diet for about a year and am now living pretty much 100% paleo/bulletproof

This suits me well, although I would like to be leaner, it just doesn't seem to be happening and I am stuck at about 15% body fat. On the plus side, I feel great on the diet, it fits with the rest of the family (who aren't mad on beans) and from all of the research I have done, it seems to be pretty healthy.

I think all of this stuff is fascinating and it has become something of a hobby (along with boring anyone who will listen)

As for "him" - don't ask

I'm not dismissing your experience, Molgrips. I din't have trouble with eating breakfast and jumping straight on the bike either, despite what some experts say about "insulin spikes" lowering blood sugar levels immediately after eating.

I've experimented the distance I can go hard on glycogen without needing to take on carbs and it's about a semi-marathon running, an hour on skis or a sprint triathlon.

oddjob, check out the Racing Weight book I mentioned earlier, I'm not on commision (honest guv), but thats exactly what I was aiming to do. I am about 14% body fat and am looking to reduce that by a couple of percent, as much to help my bouldering as for riding.

I reckon I could go about 90 mins on the bike without eating, going reasonably hard, so that could be about right.