[Closed] Thanks for the work, Mods

Posting poo, would make more sense. Especially when pushing poo means something else.

Suggesting they light it was an edit, perhaps posted after being reported

Posting poo, would make more sense. Especially when pushing poo means something else

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I think yours was culled as others were deleted and your post no longer made sense.

Ah, yes, that rings a bell.

Making light of a term of homophobic abuse?

Making light of a term of homophobic abuse?

Now what?

Cougar - ban Drac too while you're at it.

(Autocorrect changes Drac to Draconian 🙂 )

I think yours was culled as others were deleted and your post no longer made sense.

I think that was me. It sticks in my mind because the complaint was that the post was "lude", though I don't remember the exact post (and can't seem to find it now). Maybe I deleted the wrong one? Mia culpa if so.

Thanks for the explanation. I don't particularly care, delete away! Just interested in the process. I thought perhaps weilding a blunderbuss from atop your mod-throne might be an inelegant method of censorship. Perhaps some sites fitted at the very least?

Oh good grief, CM. Read my previous post. It was a reply to this:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donalderm-trump/page/3#post-8297882

Jamie - Member

Other moderators are more quiet about it, seeking to minimise any hassle from other posters.

What hassle?

*pushes dog poo through Druidh's letterbox*

Context, my dear fellow.

Autocorrect changes Drac to Draconian )

Seems fair.

And the response was.

Pushing poo again Jamie?

I think the trick is to set it alight.

Autocorrect changes Drac to Draconian

Back in T9 days, "Cougar" defaulted to an initial suggestion of "Antics," which mildly amused me.

"snowflakes"

If anything comes of this thread, PLEASE can this be added to the swear filter or the "I have nothing useful to add"eriser ?

We'll see petal.

*feels special*
*and slightly offended, in the spirit of the thread*

I only know a few people on here but, by and large I find it to be a well run forum that is more or less left to its own devices content wise. 🙂

How it runs so smoothly with only a few sub sections for members to post and discuss all things is a credit to the moderation and admin team, as it could very easily degenerate into a sweary shout box.

As some may know I'm a mod on a popular car audio based forum, so I can see this thread from both sides of the table.

It's a job that is taken for granted and not seen by the masses - until it affects somebody personally and they get moderated. Then we are all hitlers for a day.

As said, other than blatant spam and trolls, moderating is all about context. Yes in a lot of cases it is down to interpretation but, (again as said before) if the post / comment is in a public section of a forum, it can't be deemed racist, slanderous, libel etc etc etc or else the forum owners become accountable.

Can't win really but, I enjoy it 🙂

Basically keep up the good work chaps 😀

I always though Cougar was some fit old GILF on the tinternet. Imagine my surprise when it turned out to be some IT bod... and a man!

You should see some of the random Snapchats I get.

No thanks.

Stop sending them then.

C'mon Scotroutes, just be honest

Fantastic thread, what should of been a ego boosting swoon fest for the mods has turned into an ambush!

I think the issue is that the onymous Mods at least, are in the privileged position of white heterosexual males as such whilst the may be able to identify overt racism, sexism homophobia etc, they are not sensitive to the microagressions to which the rest of us are subject. The fact that complaints are 'discussed' by a homogenous group does not allow for the sensitivity to abuse which a more varied group might afford. Just saying. You know, you might want to think about it.

You aren't the only one who saw PP as homophobic, Charlie. And the stealth edit "light it first" made it clear to me at least that the initial intention was as such. I don't think complaining to someone who refers to another poster a "petal" which the urban dictionary tells me means "beautiful girl" will get you far.

It's all very Clarksonesque - "there's a slant on that bridge" etc. Boys will be boys. One either thinks it's great humour or sees it for what it is. This place isn't the BBC, not a public service and if some want be be laddish it's no great shakes.

Snow beckons. Have a good weekend mods, members, Lazarus and all.

You aren't the only one who saw PP as homophobic

Reported

On behalf of both PeterPoddy and myself. This is an outrage.

I know scotroutes in real life and thus I saw the post as intended - a reference to the earlier post. ( as has been explained) Not homophobic at all. Context is all.

The fact that complaints are 'discussed' by a homogenous group does not allow for the sensitivity to abuse which a more varied group might afford. Just saying. You know, you might want to think about it.

There's more than Cougar and I that mod. Not one seen him Scotroutes response as refering to the homophobic term.

Why not see what he says? Not saying he is homophobic only that the phrase he used was. Perhaps misplaced humour

You aren't the only one who saw PP as homophobic, Charlie. And the stealth edit "light it first" made it clear to me at least that the initial intention was as such

PP didn't even post and maybe that's the issue that we only seen the post after the the claimed stealth edit.

Maybe he edited to stop any hyperbolic reports.

Why not see what he says? Not saying he is homophobic only that the phrase he used was. Perhaps misplaced humour

Many terms can be but it's about context, pushing shit bombs through a letter box isn't the same as the homophobic reference.

Why not see what he says?

So any blood in stools or blocked feeling even after [b]pooping[/b], see your GP.

... it's a reference to pushing [b]poo[/b] through someone's letterbox.

The reference is 'pushing [b]poo[/b] again' no mention of a letter box and '[b]poo[/b] pusher' or '[b]poo[/b] pushing' are very familiar terms of abuse. Also the bit about setting light was a later edit
However, it does not moderate the use of the [b]poo[/b] pushing. The most insidious forms of these kinds abuse are exactly because they are veiled but both the abuser and abused know exactly what the intent is.
He did not refer to pushing [b]poo[/b] through a letter box. He explicitly and deliberately used 'pushing [b]poo[/b]'

[b]Poo[/b] pusher and [b]poo[/b] pushing are terms of abuse.

Pushing [b]poo[/b] again Jamie?

Posting [b]poo[/b], would make more sense. Especially when pushing [b]poo[/b] means something else.

In replying to someone who talked about pushing [b]poo[/b] through a letter box and suggesting they light it first, no not strange at all.

no way am I getting into the cage to have [b]poo[/b] thrown at me but I wouldn't report the bahaviour to anyone

Pushing [b]poo[/b] again? Is a strange sentence construction in this context.

This thread is literally full of shit.

charlie - it wasn't homophobic IN THE CONTEXT. context is all. Its like black americans use the "n" word to refer to each other and themselves, its not racist in that context. If I did it it would be racist

PP didn't even post and maybe that's the issue that we only seen the post after the the claimed stealth edit.

PP did not post. It refers to 'pushing poo'

You may not have seen it after the edit but you can see what it said. Just cover up the second line with your hand

charlie - it wasn't homophobic IN THE CONTEXT

Actually specifically in the context it was, it was. Scotroutes knew very well what he was referring to.

The second line was probably added as OP realised his intentions could be misconstrued.

Which is vindication of their intentions, no?

PP did not post. It refers to 'pushing poo'

Oh!

You may not have seen it after the edit but you can see what it said. Just cover up the second line with your hand

What?

Well I'm done all you've done CM is demonstrate why we normally don't discuss decisions on the forum.

charlie - sorry you are simply wrong as the context was in the earlier post that refered to pushing poo as well

Just to put it out there, I do see where Charlie is coming from.

....but I think he is barking up the wrong tree assuming the stealth edit was for nefarious reasons.

But who knows. Maybe Druidh is a raging homophobe 🙂

I think it was a reference to both or it just does not work as a joke [pun]but it was just a joke.

Granted it was very well executed with deniability and much better[ on both fronts] than when he asked about ferry times 😉

I think it was fine but clearly meant both meanings

As they say context is all as is who says it to whom- what say Jimmy carr or Frankie Boyle says is deeply offensive - the later sometimes is just offensive- but it works because you know there is no malice in it and its either funny or not but it is never what it looks liek on face value.

I think you both have a point but CM likes to labour points to death and does not do nuance.

tjagain
I know scotroutes in real life and thus I saw the post as intended

And this is the nub of the issue.

The written word, despite being black and white is open to a wide range of interpretations, based not just on the way it's written by the author, but also by the way it's READ by the reader!

Take the following example:

"I'm going to ** kill you"

Those words are quite clear. Taken at a completely literal sensse, they tell us that the author i going to kill the reader.

But, i bet all around the world right now those exact words are being used by a lot of people, some of whom will indeed kill the listener, but the vast majority have said/written it and meant it in a very different way indeed.

In spoken word, the WAY you say something tells the listener more about how it was meant that the words themselves. Add in real body language and the meaning is much much clearer. In fact, the meaning can even be completely changed by what was said immediately prior. For example:

"Stacey, if you leave your dirty socks on the bathroom floor one more time i'm going to ** kill you"

VS

"Insult me again and i'm going to **** kill you"

Very, very different situations i think you'll agree. There are ways to attempt to clarify how we expect things to be taken:

Emoticons are meant to give us some sense of the intended tone of the written word 8)

Emoticons are meant to give us some sense of the intended tone of the written word 🙄

But again, these are open to interpretation.

One thing that could work, but would require a forum code change is to have an option to "blank abusive posts", where a reported post is coloured red, and you don't' see it if you've got that box ticked. Those posts could also individually be covered by a "warning, post contains adult content" or whatever type warning, that must be individually clicked to see that post?

But as the mods rightly say, moderation must be based on average behavior, not single posts. Some posters on here go out of their way to argue, and be rude / disrespectful. We often see one of two posters "against the rest of the world" where posters attempt to reason with them, but end of just getting caught up in a cycle of insults.

Thanks for the work, Mods.

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Handlebars look too narrow and that wheel size is so last millennium, though.

I do nuance, I just find such terminology, even as 'banter' I'm a public environment such as thy is unacceptable and I will challenge it and hopefully change some behaviour.

It was only through 'labouring a point' that Drac saw that he should consider his use of the word 'Chinky'. In fact it seems to be the only way.

Right. I have a date with a central heating pump. Play nicely.

I used the abreviation PP for the homophobic insult not as a reference to either Poddy or Panther.

Can people see why I never engage (as in discuss) with Drac?

Well I'm done all you've done CM is demonstrate why we normally don't discuss decisions on the forum.

You haven't discussed it, all you have done is to repeat the same point rather than engage with the argument

But it is clearly not worth continuing until we hear from scotroutes himself.

yes but he may not use the word simply to avoid this sort of thing rather than to affect a real change in attitude and hair triggers liek this are what lead to terms like snowflake and PC gone mad so it may also be counter productive

No one thinks drac is a racist or cougar was asking about pigeons or scots is homophobic so one has to wonder why you feel the need to labour the point rather than labour it with actual racists or homophobes

TBH the cougar one I considered to be little more than trolling and this seems to be just the same again.

I dont think it helps its like calling everyone a racist who mentions immigration - many are but not all.

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Can people see why I never engage (as in discuss) with Drac?

I can see why posters choose to not engage with others - I have chewkw for example- but there is a difference between making this choice and insisting it is correct for all- though i dont understand why folk try and have a conversation with him personally.

I generally like your contributions as they are thoughtful and bright though I dont always agree with them

No one thinks drac is a racist or cougar was asking about pigeons or scots is homophobic

No, but casual use of such terms creates an environment where such behaviour is seen as acceptable.

so one has to wonder why you feel the need to labour the point rather than labour it with actual racists or homophobes

It's not an either or

done feeding cheers

Easier to dismiss than think, but thanks for letting me know

especially feeding you when you do blatantly goading trolls 🙄

Leaving the offending posts leaves the shitty comments up for people to see and judge for themselves.

Interesting idea, which appealed to me when I first read it, I must say, but…
The forum is part of a website that is part of business.
It can be read by anyone. Anyone.
So, the owners, and their representatives, can, and probably should, remove posts they think are offensive, or even just inappropriate.

Er . . . guys . . . whilst you're all noodling around on this thread . . . THE BIKE FORUM IS ON FIRE!

There's a Bike forum?

There's a Bike forum?

Fixed your plumbing then?

Taking a break to get feeling back in my hands.

We've all been there.

And 7 chuffing pages where internet trolls try and pull the Mods into a slanging pit.

Really?

It just shows who the the trolls are, and why they are really here.

Why not close this thread, there's nothing but disrespect and arguing.... again.

>Taking a break to get feeling back in my hands

Dfrn't strokes for dfrn't folks.

>Why not close this thread, there's nothing but disrespect and arguing.... again.

Naaah, there's also ** and * with a splash of *************** for good measure.

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they are not sensitive to the [b]microagressions[/b]

Like Cougar, I am also taking a break from plumbing.

I can't tell you what I am having to do to unblock the toilet in case I offend anyone.

'kin ell, it's Sunday, the weather is good, the trails are drier than last week and this has reached 7 pages. Did anyone say this was a MTB forum 😉

STW: You'll come for the biking, you'll stay for the bollocks.

As before, that's your best line Coug's. Very true!!

Having said the I need to post a technical question now...

Haven't read all this thread yet (will get around to it later), but just wanted to add to the chorus that they do a fine job, and given the way this thread appears to have gone looking at the last few posts, I-B-T-L.

I've had a few warnings, which I might not have agreed with but can understand. I also successfully "discussed" my way out of my only ban directly with Mark - so it certainly isn't a process with no course of appeal (and I can think of another occasion where I could easily have got a ban if the site owners had been more thin skinned - my impression is certainly that it isn't petty in that way).

<nervously awaiting warning for swear filter avoidance>

'kin ell, it's Sunday, the weather is good, the trails are drier than last week and this has reached 7 pages. Did anyone say this was a MTB forum

I managed to go out for a road bike ride this morning but I had to cut it short so I wouldn't miss any important flame wars.

True, I will admit to having a rye smile on the ride at the one application to be a mod!!! 😉

I have one of these modern telephones which allows me to ride and pause to post on the Internet if I so desire

Gods help us all.

I have one of these modern telephones which allows me to ride and pause to post on the Internet if I so desire

I don't buy into all this riding is life bollocks, but that is a pretty sad state of affairs.

Gods help us all

See, now you're getting personal, I've never done that. You might want to think about that

*gets off bike*

Who is getting personal?

*gets back on bike*

Edit: Clarified

I used the abreviation PP for the homophobic insult not as a reference to either Poddy or Panther.

Yeah. I knew that.

I was just playing the "wilfully taking things out of context and pretending to be offended by them" game that we all seem to be so fond of sometimes.

Then I remembered that I'm a grown man and it was a bit childish. Sorry!

Given CM's sporadic activity and the recent ban is this Ninfans PC alter ego?

#Makesyouthink

See, now you're getting personal, I've never done that. You might want to think about that

Dude, it was a joke. As I said on page 3,

[i]as a general rule of thumb if something I type can be taken two ways and one of them makes you cross, I meant the other one.[/i]

This is a perfect example of what I was saying earlier - you're quick to see offence where none was intended. [i]You [/i]might want to think about that.

Do I really need to put a smiley after every post I make? I overuse them as it is. Please, just assume it's there and hopefully we'll have a lot less friction. I'm a smartarse, not a git.

God help us all

Have you seen the light Coug's? The day gets more bizarre..what next?

Jamie 😀

Dude, it was a joke. As I said on page 3

I know