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Did anyone see the Home Sec on the news? She doesn’t even seem to know the difference between terrorism and counter terrorism, talking about the counter terrorism offences this man committed and so on. I didn’t think it could get worse than having Theresa May and her vendetta as Home Sec, but this one seems to be thick as mince.
Harrow is indeed a terrible place.
I didn’t think it could get worse than having Theresa May and her vendetta as Home Sec, but this one seems to be thick as mince.
It is not her lack of intelligence that is the problem, it is her sheer hatred.
Yeah maybe, I suppose TM mainly just hated the police, rather than everyone.
Of course the whole thing may have been allowed to happen to get public support for tougher laws that the likes of Priti Patel would be trying to ge in or maybe the police were trying to see who he contacted as they were trying to catch a bigger group. Neither of those options would be made public of course.
It's sad that those were my first thoughts as well - especially the first point.
It wasn't my first thought - but if, as the experts are saying, extremists are very hard to rehabilitate, then a change in sentencing/parole policy may be required. Not sure I'd trust the current government and their majority to do so in a sensible, proportionate manner.
The whole prison/parole system is critically underfunded. We could put more money into training and rehabilitation of all offenders, supporting them when they come out, or we could keep putting more money into rearresting offenders each time they are released, putting them through the system and locking then up again. Or we could put money into giving people better skills and opportunities from birth so that commiting crime in the first place is less likely
They get removed from firearms duty and have to go through a shedload of debriefing, counselling, re-evaluation etc against a background of media scrutiny and the usual bollocks from people who have literally no clue asking “why didn’t they just shoot to wound?” or questioning why they weren’t on scene earlier or whatever.
To spend your career training for something you hope to never do, which will be over in an instant, and have life and career changing implications for you. A level of responsibility that I personally could not deal with.
PLus I'm sure that once his name comes out in the press there'll be some jihadi cell plotting to kidnap and kill him on youtube.
Does anyone know if it is true that he will automatically be removed from firearms duty permanently?
Does anyone know if it is true that he will automatically be removed from firearms duty permanently?
No, he/she probably won't be suspended permanently. They are almost certainly suspended from operational firearms duties at the moment, partly to permit an investigation to proceed and partly to allow the officer and their family to have a break from the stresses of the role.
Contrary to Plus-Ones thoughts, shooting an individual (particularly at a moments notice) is quite a stressful experience!!!!!
Providing the officer and team are exonerated and providing they are willing to continue their role, there is no reason they can't return to normal operational duties.
It is worth remembering that all AFO's are volunteers, and get paid no more than a bobby walking the beat in any part of the U.K. (London weighting notwithstanding)
Judges sentencing remarks. Tried to influence his younger brothers - as young as 11. 🙁
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-v-sudesh-faraz-amman/
@yosemitepaul in a previous life having supported some training for CTFSO, CO19 and some specialist military units, I have the utmost respect for what they all do in this regard. Facing down individuals who may have suicide IEDs with nothing but small arms and a plate carrier. In busy public places. **** that noise. I'll take conventional ops thanks.
Made my old job seem much simpler in a lot of ways. Although a righteous shoot, I'm sure the individuals will be debriefing the whole situation for lessons learned and whomever put that particular dog down will have some settling of conscience to do.
I hope that is done painlessly and the process puts them back on duty where they clearly belong.
I hope that is done painlessly
Isn't there still a mandatory referral to the IOPC? So that "painless" debrief is likely to start with the words "you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if..."
Doubtful, firearms officers are authorised to carry firearms and empowered to make decisions to protect life up to the use of lethal force.
Saying nothing is not an option when you have those powers, you will answer all questions honestly and in full detail I would imagine. But with a fed rep there to ensure that the rules and process are followed.
This may provide more detail.
If someone dies within 72 hours of contact with police, which may have caused it or impacted it, it’s referred to IOPC, be that shooting or suicide. That process doesn’t need to start with a caution
Doubtful, firearms officers are authorised to carry firearms and empowered to make decisions to protect life up to the use of lethal force.
Saying nothing is not an option when you have those powers, you will answer all questions honestly and in full detail I would imagine. But with a fed rep there to ensure that the rules and process are followed.
This may provide more detail.
This is what I was trying to post.
They have all been sensible, serious and methodical when working
Especially the one who left his passport, David Camerons passport and a gun in an aeroplane toilet......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51383104
I can only imagine the French cops must be a completely different breed. One death and 15 blindings of GJ protesters from 'non-lethal/aim at the body' fireballs and on film they seem to be gagging to get stuck in, even to firefighters. It makes you wonder what gets said and celebrated in their canteen culture.