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Story on the BBC [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-36845738?post_id=533871002_10153655320551003#_=_ ]here[/url] today.
It's an interesting story and one I have some personal insight on (the general issue of bullying not this specific case).
It's either just deserts or vengeful manipulation of the law but either way "the little crazy children are jangling the keys of the kingdom, and common vengeance writes the law!"
I would be interested in other people's views.
I hope it's taught her a lesson and she stops bullying people.
She's a bit Ramsay Boltonish isn't she? So my money is on just desserts.
my money is on just deserts.
...or no desserts.
No information on the actual bullying side of the story so sort of hard to make a judgement. At no point do her or her father deny the bullying though.
Rusty spanner +1
Presumably ther was sufficient evidence for the police to get involved in the first place. But not enough to go further. In which case 8 hours in cells and everyone knowing you did it is probably proportionate (reading between the lines I presume it was online bullying?)
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She was arrested and held for 8 hours. I appreciate that for a 16 years old that may well be the worst experience of her life (so far).
On the grand scheme of things thats not a big deal and if the accusations were legitimate then her treatment by the police was entirely appropriate. One slight question could be whether the accusations where false or even malicious.
One slight question could be whether the accusations where false or even malicious.
Well that's the worry though I suspect that the police are smart enough to make a judgement as to whether there is sufficient evidence to make an arrest. It's not something you just do on a whim.
She comes over as very controlled in the interview and is smart enough to know that manipulating small details makes a big difference. Her accentuation of them being 'male police officers' and highlighting that she was put in a cell next to 'other men banging and swearing' in order to try and manipulate the gender dimension are interesting and slightly worrying. It's classic manipulative behaviour. Ramsay Bolton is a good analogy!
Like others have said here, if she has been the ring leader of an online bullying campaign, eight hours in a cell is nothing like punishment enough.
The case was dropped. Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
What do you think you're missing?
I hope it's taught her a lesson and she stops bullying people.
^This.
Smoke. Fire. Enough evidence to arrest. etc.
police are smart
You see I don't think that the Police, as an organisation not and individual, are smart at all!
What do you think you're missing?
The reason she was arrested and why everyone thinks "good, she's been taught a lesson".
"The reason she was arrested and why everyone thinks "good, she's been taught a lesson"."
Harassment & because she's had a good fright.
Arrested in the middle of a lesson??!? WT actual F. Would have made for an interesting stand off had it been attempted in one of my classrooms!
No problem with police involvment but if true thats just plain wrong.
Arrested in the middle of a lesson??!? WT actual F. Would have made for an interesting stand off had it been attempted in one of my classrooms!She wasn't arrested in the lesson, the head teacher came into the class and escorted her to the police waiting on the drive. Don't know the layout of the school but even with her talking up her suffering it sounds as if it was probably as discrete as it could have been made.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks
get the feeling the bully is playing at being the victim here.
also lots of reasons for charges to be dropped, victim refusing to testify against his/her abuser/abusers is a common one.
I'd bet my house that wasn't the first attempt at trying to get her to stop bullying.
Arrested in the middle of a lesson??!? WT actual F. Would have made for an interesting stand off had it been attempted in one of my classrooms!
Ummm exactly what would you have done as part of this "stand off" with the police?
A few salient points have been missed:
1) The case has been dropped - but only after the girl was charged with harassment [b]after questioning[/b].
2) Neither the girl, nor her father made any attempt to refute the original charge of harassment. They merely allege that the girl's treatment by the Police was excessive. Indeed, the girl's father stated
I'm so frustrated and angry that it happened," he added. "They could have dealt with it so differently, just come round the house.
3) The allegations would have to be pretty serious for the girl to be arrested in the middle of class. At the very least, I would argue that the girl's school would have been aware of the allegations and would have consented to the Police's action beforehand.
4) We don't know the aggravated factors to the case, or any prior action taken by both families' parents and/or the school. The arrest may have been a 'last resort'.
Some personal perspective follows:
At sixteen I was the victim of prolonged harassment by a fellow pupil that resulted in the police being called, an arrest being made and the culprit interviewed at the station. I was given the choice to pursue the matter, which would have led to a caution, or to drop the case pending an assurance that I would no longer be subject to harassment.
I agreed, but I had a couple of follow up visits from our local village bobby to make sure that I was being left alone. It had the desired effect, nearly thirty years later the lad in question and I have been on very good terms for some years now.
Ummm exactly what would you have done as part of this "stand off" with the police?
I was wondering the same thing. Do police powers become void at the school gate? Actually the reports says the police did not come into the classroom.
We clearly don't know the whole story. You would hope the school had been involved in deciding the action was appropriate.
[b]IF [/b]she had been doing what she is accused of, the fact she has gone public and is focussing all the distress on her experience does not show an awful lot of shame or contrition in her actions that led up to the arrest. [b]IF[/b] she had been a nasty piece of work in the run up to this I'm also not too impressed with the BBC highlighting the her 'plight' as the focus of the story. An entirely different spin could have been put on this story - if you bully others this could be the consequences....
[i] exactly what would you have done as part of this "stand off" with the police?[/i]
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You'll never take us alive copper!
It's not the job of the BBC to insinuate guilt. The piece is ambiguous enough for most people to be able to read between the lines and draw their own conclusions.
Timing is important - there's a suggestion that access to GCSE coursework was denied for some weeks, so there may well be an appeal to the relevant exam boards. The fact that it's become a national news item nearly six months after the incident would suggest this.
If she had been a nasty piece of work in the run up to this I'm also not too impressed with the BBC highlighting the her 'plight' as the focus of the story. An entirely different spin could have been put on this story - if you bully others this could be the consequences....
Unless the BBC are waiting for the inevitable social media shitstorm to descend upon the (alleged) bully?
Timing is important - there's a suggestion that access to GCSE coursework was denied for some weeks, so there may well be an appeal to the relevant exam boards.
I'm not convinced an appeal would have come to much. Bearing in mind a death in the immediate family in the run up to an exam is worth circa 4% having your laptop confiscated in an ongoing investigation into your criminal activity 2 months prior to the deadline is not going to hold much sway.
Smoke. Fire. Enough evidence to arrest.
This in itself is an interesting aspect - arresting someone in this situation. Theres been a concern in recent years that theres a problem with the police making arrests when theres no real need to do so. In this case they've done so and then made no charge but the public perception is that - on a no smoke without fire basis - the arrested person is as good as guilty and that the arrest and detention is in effect punishment for something that intact they've neither been charged or convicted of. In the absence of any kind of trial theres no process in which that person can have an opportunity to be proven innocent. The press are very bad at following stories like this through to their conclusion - they'll report arrests but not charges (and in court cases they'll report allegations but frequently don't report the outcomes) - but that leaves the people who've been arrested, and the subjects of those reports with no means of redress.
Why make an arrest in this instance? Why not just talk to them? The arrest suggests the person would be uncooperative, needs to be physically detained, would abscond if not forcefully held - in other words that the person is behaving as if guilty. Its quite a big issue of personal and professional reputations being damaged by being arrested (usually with accompanying publicity in the local press) even though that arrest often leads to no further action and the police have been criticised for being a bit too free and easy with making arrests needlessly, when simply asking to speak to someone would be sufficient.
Ummm exactly what would you have done as part of this "stand off" with the police?
I was wondering the same thing. Do police powers become void at the school gate? A
I'd be checking ID, asking why no child protection officer was present, or no parent, I'd want to check the head had been informed by their superiors and enquiring as to why he wasnt present and I'd be telling them to piss off get properly organised and come back later otherwise they'd need to be arresting me too. A child in my classroom is my responsibility. They'll never take me alive!!!!
But as thats pretty much what happend it seems, its a mute point.
and then made no charge
Yes they did - read the BBC report, not just the headline. The case was just dropped before prosecuting- presumably a CPS thing.
But as thats pretty much what happend it seems, its a mute point.
Are you a teacher??
Age of criminal responsibility is 10 y/o (in England & Wales), so been 16 means you're an adult and will be treated as one.
Not saying I agree with it, just pointing it out.
It does though seem (a bit like the ebay story last week) that some police are 'struggling' with the correct response and/or the rules are too tight.
anagallis_arvensis - Member
......it seems, its a mute point.
You're not an English teacher, are you??
http://blog.dictionary.com/moot-point-vs-mute-point/
EDIT - 🙂
Dammit, I was gonna make the moo point reference...!
As a teacher of colouring in I am hardly one to talk about grammatical accuracy; but just to twist the knife a little further :-
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Reminds me of that girl that tweeted that she'd run a cyclist off the road, then when she was invited on to shows and the like because of the social media storm, she apologised for tweeting what she did.
This has obviously be sent to all the news outlets in the hope that they run with it as a waste for police resource, and how he's just a child etc.
Must be shit for the victim, seeing the alleged ringleader of a bullying campaign giving a sob story on national tv about how awful it is when the police [s]do their job[/s] were a bit mean to her.
Sounds like she is getting what's coming to her.
...or no desserts.
And let's not foget the lesser known error above.
They'll never take me alive!!!!
They would - you're thinking of America 🙂
Must be shit for the victim, seeing the alleged ringleader of a bullying campaign giving a sob story on national tv about how awful it is when the police do their job were a bit mean to her.
Very true. She'll just be wanting the story to disappear and not have her harasser become a celebrity and a 'victim'. The girl in the clip seems quite bright - in my experience the bright ones are the nastiest bullies.
I R numberacy and literacyness expert!
Convert, for some reason I always thought you were a geography teacher, thats colouring round the outside, biology is colouring in!!
Design teacher - so I colour stuff in before hitting it with a mallet!
I R numberacy and literacyness expert!
Teacher or no teacher, 4 errors in such a short sentence is quite an achievement! 😆
As a Geography teacher I can tell you that we no longer refer to it as 'colouring in' it's 'chromatic differentiation'.
I'd be checking ID, asking why no child protection officer was present, or no parent, I'd want to check the head had been informed by their superiors and enquiring as to why he wasnt present
ID fair enough but I would imagine the uniform may be a giveaway!
Appropriate adult (whether a parent or someone from local social services etc) would be arranged for interview but not needed to be present during the arrest.
I guess the head depends on school policy or if they are that bothered ( I can imagine it happens more in some schools than others!).