[Closed] tattoo yes or no ? lol

The tats in Quirrel's pictures are moot - without them it would still be

1) Yes

2) No

I can't be bothered to read all the preceeding procrastination, so I'll just ask have you decided yet?

Personally, I think there's nothing more beautiful than the smooth, clear, unblemished skin of a beautiful woman. I honestly don't know how anybody can deface such flawless perfection.

As I said earlier, if you think you can be improved with clipart, then you must have a low opinion of yourself. That's not mentioning the arrogance of anyone that thinks they can do better than the Divine Potter.

...Fact, of course.

;o)

if you think you can be improved with clipart

Not all tattoos are clip-art mate.

piedi di formaggio : i have a small henna tattoo on my arm at the monebt altho not the real thing (im growing to like it...tho in another few days it will have disappeared (not like a proper tattoo will never disappear...... ive wanted a tattoo (on abd off for over a year now ..what the heck is stopping me ? maybe i shud get one when im drunk (N0 ! just a joke ! 😉
im certainly on the trail for good tattooists after all i want it looking right !
im swaying more to 'yes' at the moment...

molgrips - Member
Not all tattoos are clip-art mate.

A) We're talking about a woman that wants "the lizard off page 34 in black please"
B) Some of the worst cases of self mutilation I've seen are when people with no skill, taste or talent design their own tattoos.

(Fact).

Neither of your points invalidate mine.

There are many many bad tattoos around, on this I agree, of course. That doesn't mean the concept is bad, just many of the implementations. There are some beautiful examples around too I think.

Fact remains, you should not consider people stupid just because you don't like something they did.

Fact remains, you should not consider people stupid just because you don't like something they did.

So you've never considered someone stupid for doing something you consider pointless or damaging?

If I shaved the top of my head and died the rest of my hair ginger, you'd probably think I was pretty stupid. I mean, you think I'm stupid on the basis that I have different values to yourself, so what the hell makes you think you should have a monopoly on thinking people are stupid???

i dont know about the others with tattoos... but i definately never thought tattoos would make me look better. what a very odd thing to assume 😕

shibboleth quote ("the lizard off page 34 in black please")
?????? who said i wanted it all black ? i will require some colour ! and maybe a little butterfly friend or two...
everyone is entitled to their opinions but 'shibb' is prob going over board now being Defensive on every page so far ! 😉

and maybe a little butterfly friend or two...

Elaine, try not to choose Flash Art Butterflies, get some custom art.

Don't be daft, she wants the ickle flutterby off of page 19 in pink with purple spots... 😉

How about a lily while you're at it... 🙄

lol oh dear shibb....you read my mind (lily)....
ohh im confused now !!! i shud just have a 'proper chat' with the tattooist to give him some idea of what i want then he in return can give me some options/ideas.... i think thats the best bet 😉

So you've never considered someone stupid for doing something you consider pointless or damaging?

I used to, but then I grew up and now I withhold judgement on people until I get to know them a bit better. I've learned in the last 20 years that you can't figure someone out just by looking at them, no matter how easy it would at first seem.

TooTall, I think you mean the "English language", rather than the "english language".

I did mean that and I even typed it - but I thought 'random' capitals in the middle of a sentence might startle the horses, given there were none where there might be some.

Here we go again. 🙄 I think people who have delusions of grandeur are stupid.

yes thats what id like to know ! why are people judged constantly on changes they make in their life....its rediculous really... we should all be free spirits and not worry what 'other people' think about us...
my thread is just 'opinion' based and just a 'general chat' really ( never thought it wud lead to a huge all out stupido war or that i wud be 'outcasted' by having a Tattoo ! lol 😉 😈

never thought it wud lead to a huge all out stupido war

You do realise you are on STW don't you?

yes thats what id like to know ! why are people judged constantly on changes they make in their life....its rediculous really... we should all be free spirits and not worry what 'other people' think about us...

Purile, childish codswallop. The fact remains that you can tell an awful lot about people from the way they look, and only an idiot would ignore visual cues when judging people.

And yes, I did actually say 'judging people', because we're all allowed to do it, and we all do it on a daily basis. Whether it's judging whether someone is fit to be left in charge of our children; to fix our cars; or to be our life partner.

This modern aversion to 'being judged' is typical of the current generation of idealistic bedwetters who, armed with their Open University sociology or psychology degrees and Jeremy Kyle on series link descend upon the 'real world' with absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer.

In my experience, those who have a chip on their shoulder about 'being judged' are the ones that come out badly when exposed to close scrutiny. Fact.

codswallop ? childish ? any chance you can crawl back into that tomb where you reside ? so "what if someone was covered head to toe in tattoos and 'you judged' them as a 'stupido idiotic' self harming person, and really they actually turned out to be the 'nicest person' you could ever meet up with ...then 'you' have already degraded that person in your own mind for what 'you think' he/she is like as a person b4 you even get to chat with him/her...
thats totaly unfair of you shibboleth !!!!! be ashamed- be very ashamed ! 😈 i hate that in people- by just the way they look -they get tarred by someone immedietly without a care in the world... maybe you are alittle insecure of yourself ? 😉

In my experience, those who have a chip on their shoulder about 'being judged' are the ones that come out badly when exposed to close scrutiny. Fact.

But you have the issue with being judged? You don't want you or your busienss to be judged, so you don't employ people who you think don't fit. Like most people in business it's unlikely that you've ever found out from your clients/customers what is acceptable. YOU make assumtions based on your mis-guided perception of you and your product/service and your fear of being judged. Though maybe your business is unremarkable enough to give you good cause to fear being judged?

current generation of idealistic bedwetters who, armed with their Open University sociology or psychology degrees and Jeremy Kyle on series link descend upon the 'real world' with absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer.

so what contribution do you make to society Shib? what good deeds do you do for your fellow humans on a regular basis?

most of the people i see collecting for charity have tattoos and piercings, most of the nurses i know are the same... and so on and so on....

I don't have a problem with being judged at all iDave. I relish it and accept it as part of life and part of business.

My policy on appearance is to make it as benign as possible so it appeals to the widest gamut of customers.

I'm more than happy to be judged on appearance and I exploit the fact that myself and my staff are.

In my experience, conventions tend to exist for good reason and it's very immature to think that you can change conventions. Business is a numbers game, and it would be stupid to do anything other than try to stack the odds in your favour.

The fact remains that you can tell an awful lot about people from the way they look

What? How is this a fact?

Here's a pic of me - what am I like?
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You are literally raving now.

of course you have a problem being judged - hence no staff with tattoos - surely that's in case they're judged as being stoopid?

medicore business is a numbers game. smart business is a pareto numbers game.

long may misguided conventions exist as they allow the smart guys to operate beyond them.

'what am I like?' - fond of carbs 😉

what am I like?

so what contribution do you make to society Shib? what good deeds do you do for your fellow humans on a regular basis?

On a regular basis? I cycle 150 miles coast to coast each year to raise money for charity. This year we did it in 9.5hrs and raised around £14,000 for Cancer Research. Last time I raised a similar amount for the MND Society. At the moment, my company are working on 2 pro bono projects, one for the Rotary Club of Great Britain and one for a local Nature Reserve. These are annual projects. Are they regular enough?

As for your assertion that most charity collectors are tattood or pierced, that's a particularly stoopid thing to say, but if it's true, it's probably down to the fact that they can't get a proper job so collect money for charity for minimum wage.

Lol@iDave 🙂

The belly looks far worse in that pic because the pack belt is cinched in really really tightly to provide support. And in any case I've lost 3kg since then 🙂

Hmmm - OK but I tend to try and attract non-bland, non-middle-of-the-road clients, so I present myself in a way which will attract interesting people.

Surely spreading yourself out to attract 'The General Public' is exactly what they tell you not to do in marketing class one?!

Here's a pic of me - what am I like?

From this picture, I can tell that you have an adequate sperm count; struggle to maintain a healthy weight in spite of moderate exercise; you favour muted earth tones; and prefer to shop at Blacks and Millets rather than Hugo Boss or Emporio Armani. Fact.

Surely spreading yourself out to attract 'The General Public' is exactly what they tell you not to do in marketing class one?!

Jesus, which marketing school did you go to? One for Stoopids?

so cycling (a hobby you enjoy i'm guessing) for charity once a year and a couple of pro bono projects...

have to say im not impressed.

secondly making assumptions about others based on their jobs and/or appearance is

a particularly stoopid thing to say

nice avoidance on the nurses example!

I'm not trying to impress you Phil, merely proving you wrong. You assume me to be a completely selfish person who never does anything to help his fellow man. I've proved you to be wrong. Fact. 😉

this thread has gone from making me chuckle to making me feel a sense of dispair. before i leave and never return to this thread, shib.. what job do you do?

I think you have a point there iDave, I was thinking about the captain of industry who AdamG is. Have you not seen his many seminars on managing a business? He has the ability to turn customers into clients and simple photocopying into a professon!! I also imagine there are plenty larger, more successful businesses that employ people with tattoos. Even an ex-Prime Minister had one or two, so I don't think tattoos hold people back, except maybe those who want to work in a back street photocopy shop....

On a further note, he seems happy to display a particular attitude towards certain groups of society and full of bravado behind an anonymous internet name yet doesn't have the courage to post up his business name or web page (is it still one page of .....?) to allow people to judge the empire of which he is the god. After all calling people stupid for having tattoos isn't going to lose you any business, is it?

I also would have severe reservations about someone who either can't spell or doesn't have the pride to care what people think about them and their spelling. I certainly wouldn't employ someone who couldn't spell.

I really do feel quite sorry for him, normal social interaction seems to be beyond his capabilities and the only way he can get attention is by coming here with his silly little arguments. I guess this is how he gets his kicks. 🙄

before i leave and never return to this thread, shib.. what job do you do?

I run a graphic design company. See ya x

Shib - well done for kind of identifying my clothes (they are in fact from REI, I don't shop at Blacks or Millets) and I do more than moderate exercise.

But that's really not clever. What am I really LIKE. Am I stoopid or not? How do I feel on the big issues. What are my politics?

Come on Holmes, let's hear it. You can clearly judge so much from that picture I wanna know how you do it.

What am I really LIKE. Am I stoopid or not? How do I feel on the big issues. What are my politics?

I already know that you're very argumentative, smug, self-righteous, and you pride yourself on a misguided belief that you've somehow elevated yourself to a higher level of tollerance and understanding than anyone else, when really you're no different to the vast majority of other people.

You simply feed your own smugness by building a holier-than-thou 'online persona' which is little more than painting by numbers. Indeed, the picture you've chosen is very interesting, because you want to portray an image of the adventurous, well travelled explorer, as well as caring, UV-conscious family man. It's typical of the sort of picture your sort would use as a facebook profile pic. I suspect it was far more carefully considered than simply a random snap shot that you just happened to have lying about the place, and the fact that you're so proud of it tells me that what I've just outlined is exactly what you 'aspire' to be.

not really wishing to return the thread to its topic, but i had to bail on page 9...

how accurate is a good tattooist? could they get the barcode right for something like a bottle of Irn Bru or a multipack of quavers? could i scan myself in tescos?

no idea, i can tell you that a huge biker on the run from the american authorities for drug running, that happens to have all the gear in his front room is not accurate enough to allow the bar code to scan - cest la vie eh?
Of course having a tattoo done in a non sterile environment by an edgy stoned drug runner has its downsides - not least the explanation required to get a hep and hiv test

Of course having a tattoo done in a non sterile environment by an edgy stoned drug runner has its downsides - not least the explanation required to get a hep and hiv test

Of course, that's not in the slightest bit stoopid. 🙄

I was really rooting for him and hoping that he would admit to being a little narrow minded on this subject.. maybe apologetic but resolute..

but the hole is getting ever deeper and darker..

Guys, get a room!

I already know that you're very argumentative, smug, self-righteous...

You know that off the forum, not from the pic.

I suspect it was far more carefully considered than simply a random snap shot

It was the latest one off my flickr stream, and the only one on there that has me in it. I put it up the other day so I could show it on the baby carrier thread.

What you're doing, Shibboleth, is ASSUMING a personality based on what you THINK you can gather from the picture. You've really got no idea whether or not it's right, have you? How could you?

I don't apologise Yunki, my opinions are hard fought, and stand me in good stead. There's nothing narrow minded about having formed opinions, I hate to ressurect the analogy, but no matter how many people try to convince you, I'm sure (well I hope) you find child porn abhorrent. Does that make you narrow minded?

Standing one's ground and explaining beliefs and values in the face of opposition should not be confused with narrow mindedness.

There's nothing narrow minded about having formed opinions

Uh, I think you'll find there is.

Being narrow minded is thinking that what you know is all there is.

You apparently KNOW for a fact that you can tell all about a person just by looking at them, despite being proved wrong when you attempted it above.

What you're doing, Shibboleth, is ASSUMING a personality based on what you THINK you can gather from the picture. You've really got no idea whether or not it's right, have you? How could you?

No Molgrips, what I'm doing is using all the information available to me to form an opinion. If I was considering you for a job, I'd learn that you were argumentative, self-righteous and smug from your forum postings, and from your photograph, I'd take the unswerving opinion that you should be seated as far away from the biscuit draw as possible.

I'm clever enough to judge people using all available information, the way they look being one of them.

i will take your word for it, you are evidently well versed in 'stoopid'

Deeper and darker and ever firmer and swifter into the annals of prattdom...

Read back what you are writing occasionally.. it really beggars belief..

I can understand that you would rather not employ people with tattoos.. I don't agree with your choice.. but I can understand it..

It's the way that you're defending yourself here and the arguments that you are constructing which are making you look silly..

🙄

We all judge everything around us, all the time, based on all the information available coupled with our own experience and what we have heard/read/etc. Our judgment is not always right, but that's how we survive.

I judge that drop as too high to roll.
I judge that car as going too fast.
I judge that girl as someone I'd like to speak to.
I judge molgrips as a rabid left-winger.

Of course when you see someone with a tat flash by, you will add the fact that they have a tatoo to the information which leads to your judgment (first impression). If they then open their mouths, what they say, tone of voice, etc. will be added to the equation, and your judgement likely revised. And so on and on.

Of course what a tatoo says to different people varies widely.

Whether you should care depends on who you are and your circumstances...

You apparently KNOW for a fact that you can tell all about a person just by looking at them, despite being proved wrong when you attempted it above.

Now, this is where your lack of intelligence has got the better of you. The decision of whether or not to employ someone with tattoos is based on the fact that [b]I KNOW[/b] a large sector of my potential client base will judge them unfavourably.

You should really get some magnifying glasses if you're going to try and read my posts from on top of your high horse.

I'm clever enough to judge people using all available information, the way they look being one of them.

Right on, Shibbo!

i will take your word for it, you are evidently well versed in 'stoopid'

Ah I see. If there's anyone you don't agree with, you brand them stupid and ignore their arguments. And you say you don't have a closed mind.. right. 🙂

We do indeed judge, theEye - but the important thing is whether or not we are prepared to a) be generous in our judgement, b) change that judgement once we get to know the person better and c) whether or not we are prepared to doubt our initial assessment and take the time to find out more about the person not just dismiss them.

The decision of whether or not to employ someone with tattoos is based on the fact that I KNOW a large sector of my potential client base will judge them unfavourably.

This is a different issue. I fully understand that your clients could well judge your employees badly if they have tattoos - fair enough. This may be a problem when employing people.

However you seem to strongly believe that ANYONE with a tattoo is stupid, and you also seem to believe you can instantly guess all abotu a person just by looking at them.

Those things are preposterous, surely?

Well, there's half an hour of my life I am never getting back.

Get the tattoo love, if you like it, who cares what anyone else thinks.

Ah I see. If there's anyone you don't agree with, you brand them stupid and ignore their arguments. And you say you don't have a closed mind.. right.

We do indeed judge, theEye - but the important thing is whether or not we are prepared to a) be generous in our judgement, b) change that judgement once we get to know the person better and c) whether or not we are prepared to doubt our initial assessment and take the time to find out more about the person not just dismiss them.

Oh dear, your compromised brain has done it again Moley. You're quoting someone else there!!!

As for your little A, B or C exercise (well done on your alphabet lessons, I see you're making sterling progress), we've not discussed any of those points.

And Shibboleth, do you design for Saga by any chance?

molgrips - Member

i will take your word for it, you are evidently well versed in 'stoopid'

Ah I see. If there's anyone you don't agree with, you brand them stupid and ignore their arguments. And you say you don't have a closed mind.. right

he (shibbo) started it, read the thread dumbass

However you seem to strongly believe that ANYONE with a tattoo is stupid, and you also seem to believe you can instantly guess all abotu a person just by looking at them.

There you go again! How on earth do you get through life unscathed? I've clearly stated that appearance would be just one way I'd judge someone (using yourself as an example, remember?), and I clearly stated earlier in the thread that I think people with tats are [b]STOOPID FOR GETTING TATTOOS[/b] in the same way that base jumpers are stoopid for jumping off buildings, and I'm stoopid for trying to out-cycle Andy Schleck... Remember?

Jesus, which marketing school did you go to? One for Stoopids?

Shib - have you actually ever attended [i]any[/i] marketing courses at all? Do you actually know what marketing is? I've been on loads (mostly just to get business funding or for networking) and every single one, without fail, has told me that identifying your target market as 'The General Public' will result in a massive business FAIL. Even the Pound Shop has a very specific target market...

And I must agree that calling strangers on a forum 'stoopid' makes you sound, well, stoopid. Dammit, look what you made me do.

Yes, I do - I don't see how there's a difference between thinking someone is stupid for doing something, and thinking they're stupid.

Btw, what's with the continued torrent of abuse?

STOOPID FOR GETTING TATTOOS

I'll go one step further then.

If I had to judge whether a person is intelligent or stoopid, [i]in absence of any information[/i] I would bet on intelligent, because I'm an optimist. But if I know this person has a tatoo, and [i]that's all I know about them[/i], I would bet on stoopid, because I believe that there is a correlation. The correlation may be very very slight, and there may be intermediate variables, but it's there.

People with tatoos aren't generally stoopid, but they are more likely to be than people without, even if only slightly.

Of course it's a manufactured example trying to isolate the tatoo effect, and it's never like that, because there is other info available. And to be truthful, I wouldn't hesitate to change my judgment at the first opportunity.

there's a difference between thinking someone is stoopid and then letting that opinion prejudice your actions / business etc...

[b]If I had to judge[/b] whether a person is intelligent or stoopid, in absence of any information I would bet on intelligent, because I'm an optimist. But if I know this person has a tatoo, and that's all I know about them, I would bet on stoopid, because I believe that there is a correlation

Ah yes but you DON'T have to judge, do you? You can keep an open mind - that's what I am getting at.

Despite all the traffic on this thread, I suspect Shibboleth is reasonably intelligent, but we are all having some communication issues, and he's wording himself terribly confrontationally which doesn't endear people to him.

Of course, the constant stream of hyperbole about how stupid I am doesn't make himself look particularly clever either 🙂 Plus, I'm not really paying any attention to it so you might as well save your fingers 🙂

But if I know this person has a tatoo, and that's all I know about them, I would bet on stoopid, because I believe that there is a correlation

Does that mean all Maoris should be presumed to be stupid?

I am not even sure why I am posting, slow day at work I suppose...

Shibboleth - you're funny!

What I want to know is how you know molgrips didn't lose his 'johnson' in a tragic hoovering accident and that he's infact taking his neice for a stroll?

I need answers!

I do have to judge. It's my nature, and yours too. Stoopidity, and a million other dimensions as well, all at the same time.

But I'm surpised that molgrips hasn't flamed me for saying that people with tatoos are more likely to be stoopid than those without. Are you feeling okay grips?

They're all there in the picture, TSY, just look. LOOK AT IT! YOU CAN SEE IT WRITTEN ALL ACROSS HIS FACE!

I do have to judge. It's my nature, and yours too

Hmm.. well it depends what you mean by judge I suppose. The word judge has a finality about it implying that you have made a decision about the person concerned and aren't likely to change. I will say that I start forming opinions about someone when I see them, but I don't consider that judgemental because my opinions are fluid and change all the time as I learn.

theEye, you did say that you are prepared to change your opinions which is a good thing of course.

I think I can maybe see through Shibboleth's spittle spray a bit.. When he says someone is stupid for doing something, he means that act was stupid, not that the person necessarily is. I think - kind of hard to tell though because he seems to be abusing everyone and everything.

Does that mean all Maoris should be presumed to be stupid?

There you go!

The fact that a person is a Maori is extra information.

But it's true that the tatoo/stoopidity correlation is based only on my experiences of Europe and US. It may not hold everywhere.

Oh, well, it's a question of definition then, grips.
When I hear the word 'judge' there is no finality to it. I use it more like 'perceive', I guess.

Fair enough.

I don't see a correlation between tattoos and stupidity tho. I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though.. I couldn't offer much on the intelligence of the people involved, especially since intelligence is such a varied and fluid concept.

I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though..

Ha! You narrow minded f***er! 🙄

🙄 yourself!

*posting in a style Shibboleth understands*

What an utterly lamentable display of cretinous idiocy! How on earth can you dress yourself you half-witted imbecile? It would be obvious to anyone with any kind of brain that I was stating a correlation between observable items of fashion, that cannot be disputed. How could anyone miss that you utter retard? I wasn't passing judgement on the intelligence of the people concerned, just a correlation between various visual styles

Does that help, Shib? 🙂

Hahahaha!
And just as I was about to post something about my suspicion that molgrips is incapable of calling anyone stoopid, no matter what they do and how well he knows them!

Does that help, Shib?

It just helps prove that you've been talking out of your arse for the past few days. You're happy to admit that you can judge a person's social status by their clothes and 'type of tattoos', and yet you've spent several pages tying to flame and ridicule me for making the assertion that I am fully aware that people make those judgements and cut my commercial cloth accordingly!

You really are quite the village idiot.

Isn't about time people stopped feeding the troll that is Shittoleth? Let him have the last word, cos his words are meaningless anyway.

You're happy to admit that you can judge a person's social status by their clothes and 'type of tattoos'

I didn't say anything of the sort!

I said that there was a correlation between style of tattoo and style of clothing, taste in car etc. Some people who appear that way are really nice, some are scumbags - something else I've learned over the years.

Nothing to do with intelligence. Plus, I've not flamed you for not employing tattoed people, I don't think. I've flamed you for being judgemental.

You have to admit that the issues on this thread are simply those of communication, surely?

I didn't say anything of the sort!

Erm...

I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though.

From the Free Dictionary...

lowbrow [?l???bra?] Disparaging
n
a person who has uncultivated or nonintellectual tastes
adj also lowbrowed
of or characteristic of such a person
lowbrowism n

Low brow STYLE THINGS ie clothes, cars etc. Not people.

In any case, by that posted definition, lowbrow does not mean unintelligent.

Elaine - do me a favour, next time just post that you're thinking of joining the BNP, or putting a cat in a dustbin. It'll cause much less 'heated debate', I'm sure.

lowbrow does not mean unintelligent.

Jeebus Moley...

Adj. 1. nonintellectual - not intellectual

in·tel·lec·tu·al (ntl-kch-l)
adj.
a. [b]Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree.[/b] See Synonyms at intelligent.
b. Given to activities or pursuits that require exercise of the intellect.