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Hardly suprising though is it??
She's 27!?!
I'm sure she's very nice an' all, but FFS I'd not really want a 27 year old representing me at parliament, What on earth does she know about anything? Mind you it's so deeply blue where I live, if the next Tory candidate was a steaming pile of Donkey vomit, it'd get voted in
essentially its tories win by default
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its ok she has the haircut and dress sense of a woman twice her age
Nice to see her mum and dad both there to hold her hand for the first day at school.
Nice to see GB hiding his head in the sand "The Conservative vote went down, the Liberal vote went down, only the fringe parties saw their votes going up,"
I [i]think[/i] it is fair to say that all future catastrophes are now priced in to current Labour support. Mass famine, a nuclear war with the Welsh and a plague of vicious chickens will probably not depress their share of the vote any further before the general election.
Suggesting a 27 year old doesn't know anything about anything is stupid, especially one who may well have dedicated the past decade to learning about exactly the things she's now working towards. You wouldnt ask what a recently graduated doctor knows about cancer, you'd like the fact that they had the latest training and knew about the latest advances. Sure you might want someone with more experience cutting stuff out of you, but then you'd have to accept the experienced doc may well write you off before starting.
Coffeking in order to be a Doctor you have to spend an awful lot of time studying and being tested, there is no huge course full of exams to become an MP. I'm sure she knows no more or no less about "how things work" than most other 27 year olds. But then she doesn't have to either, Modern Politics dictates that she'll say EXACTLY what the "Media Advisor" tells her to say. Still wouldn't want her as my MP, thanks all the same
The difference is that you don't need to be an MP to get experience of stuff which is useful for being an MP, and it's hardly like you're going to get that sort of experience once you are an MP.
I'm 27 and I know lots of things. there's also lots of things I don't know. Lots of people at my work think I don't know anything as I'm "not experienced enough" but in most cases "expereince" is nothing more than doing something one way, then carrying on doing it that way for 20 years. I wouldn't vote for her though.
An MP aged 27 is ridiculous. It speaks volumes about the weakness of the opposing candidates and the desperation of the electorate to vote for someone whose real life experience is more than likely extremely limited and lets face it, following recent revelations, probably highly sheltered.
Sad state of affairs all round.
More dangerously, she wants to be an MP at the age of 27 - that's gotta be wrong! Anyone who wants to be one, shouldn't be one IMHO....
[i]More dangerously, she wants to be an MP at the age of 27 - that's gotta be wrong![/i]
Given her age, I'm unsure as to how Churchill's famous maxim ("If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain”) should be applied.
I'd take a wild guess that if she's becoming a Tory MP at 27 she wasn't a liberal at 20.
[i]I'd take a wild guess that if she's becoming a Tory MP at 27 she wasn't a liberal at 20.[/i]
Which is why I'm inclined to take a dim view of her. I remain rather suspicious of young political hacks.
Having seen the type who got involved with "proper" politics at Uni, I have to agree with you there, noteeth.
Indeed. Horrible to observe.
like there is a difference between labour/tory/lib dem mps !!
same policies, same rhetoric, same blind obedience to the party line, its only the colour of the rosette thats any different
We are well on our way to another 18 years of Tory mis-management, corruption and making the rich richer. History repeats, as it ever did.
I don't think we were being party political, kimbers - I certainly wasn't. I'd be just as suspicious of an MP of any colour at that age, whatever Churchill might say about it (that statement is a bit of a self-justification for him anyway).
Though whilst we're mentioning Churchill, it's worth pointing out that he was a Conservative MP at 25 (though had at least seen a fair amount of the world by then!)
As opposed to 13 years of Labour mis-management, corruption and making cronies richer, mtbfix?
mtbfix,
you [i]might[/i] be right, but since a Labour government has also failed to redress inequality (it has actually continued to grow since 1997), I dont think Red vs Blue is the right distinction to make.
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Heck, I am not about to defend Labour. Their period in govt has been a profound disappointment to me. I just think that if folk want change then voting tory is probably the last thing you want to be doing.
If i was young again, and wanted a job where I could argue with people for 9 months of the year, draw a large salary that was bigger than just about any other earner in my age group, allow me to claim huge expenses and, much more importantly, allow me to get the hell out of Norwich, I'd want to be an MP.
If you want that, her choice makes sense, but just highlights why she should be barred from being one.
So how else do you suggest voting for change 😕
kimbers - Member
27!its ok she has the haircut and dress sense of a woman twice her age
Oi Kimbers - Mrs BJ is twice her age, and doesn't have such frumpy dress sense or haircut!
Think, Callahan-Thatcher 1979, Major-Blair 1997. Weak prime ministers facing strong opposition leaders who themselves became prime ministers.
What have we currently got? A weak prime minister and a weak opposition leader. The fact that the electorate (that means YOU) will vote them in regardless shows how desperate politics has become in this country that, proper alternatives for both of these similar parties don't exist.
What a clusterf*ck this country is going to be in the next decade.
cluster**** yes.
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But think of it this way: with the absolutely freaking mess Labour have left the public finances in there's virtually bugger all the Tories can do when in power but staunch the blood loss and sit it out until our net debt is back down under 40% of GDP
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[i]What a clusterf*ck this country is going to be in the next decade.[/i]
yeah but old etonians are probably very excited about all their former chums comming into power, peerages and favorable tax breaks agogo!
kimbers, take a look at the educational background of the current govermnent before you try that tired old line about Old Etonians.
[i]" In May 2009, Gibson became embroiled in the MPs' expenses scandal serialised in the Daily Telegraph, who reported that he claimed for a flat in which his daughter lived rent-free before selling it to her for half its market value. Subsequently, he was barred from standing in the next general election by a disciplinary panel of the Labour Party.
Believing that after the panel's decision his position was "untenable", he resigned as an MP " [/i]
So Ian Gibson is deselected by the Labour Party for dodgy expenses stuff, and the electorate decides to punish the Labour Party for that ?
That sends all the right messages doesn't it ......... we won't vote for a party which disciplines it's dodgy members ! :rolls eyes:
Although personally, I think he was deselected for being a maverick. I'm sure that had he been one of Gordon Brown's mate, he would have survived.
Although personally, I think he was deselected for being a maverick. I'm sure that had he been one of Gordon Brown's mate, he would have survived.
Yep, I'd agree with that. The like of Hoon and Darling were as culpable, yet protected.
My sister went to sixth form with her, she seemed nice.
Cfh take a look at the tory front bench and assosciated donors and then look at these tired old pictures.......
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a thousand words etc
as repulsive as brown and co may be ive yet to see a similar labour photo that evokes the same wretching response in my gullet
Tiresome and predictable, yet again. So what? Several of them received one of the very best educations money can buy. Would you prefer illiterate morons running the country?
The "Toff" argument is a busted flush, come up with something better.
[i]Several of them received one of the very best educations money can buy[/i] i would say their parents bought them the best qualifications money can buy, not the same thing
my main argument would be that the current nu labour government got us into this position by essentially stealing all of the tories policies voting torries in again will just lead to more of the same
i also believe that taxation needs to increase massively, especially in the higher wage brackets to help combat the inequality stoner mentioned, the torries will not do it coz it will upset their toff friends
Several of them received one of the very best educations money can buy
Stop trying to pretend you're common like the rest of us by writing appalling english Captain.
You are a toff. And there's no getting away from it.
Toff.
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Iz it coz I iz illiterate? 😉
Blah blah blah @ Stoner.
Pretty pointless showing graphs and stuff about public borrowing. Something actually happened that needed fixing you know. Or did you miss that? Oh wait - you're ignoring it to make your argument sound rock solid.
Is it more productive to debate the merits of different ways to combat severe recessions, or should we just concoct political propaganda? Come back to the thread (or preferably a different one) when you're ready to do something productive 🙂
EDIT: do you work for a newspaper btw?
What is "Posh", anyway? Because, in my experience, it doesn't necessarily equate to being moneyed and - shudder - [i]ghastly.[/i]
These days, "Old Money" is generally living in a state of rural decrepitude, with only an aging labrador for company.
Oh I wasnt suggesting she HAD to have the experience, just that she may well have the knowledge required to do the job just as well as someone twice her age and lack the "stuck in her ways" nature that is apparent with most other older politicians. While you dont HAVE to have exams etc to become a politician (unlike becoming a Dr) it is possible to do so, and it is possible by the age of 27 to have spent a fair amount of time observing and identifying ways of improving. I'm not suggesting she is good, and I dont know what her background is so I cant comment, but you cant rule her out as a good MP just based on age. You might not want her as a party invitee though 🙂
The "Toff" argument is a busted flush, come up with something better.
Why?? Because you say so?
Several of them received one of the very best educations money can buy
Precisely, thats because they owe their position to money and privilige and not to ability. I would have no issue with it if entrance to Eton was solely on ability.
Would you prefer illiterate morons running the country?
That dear sir is exactly what we are worried about!! Please note entry to Eton is not about how clever you are its about your ability to pay! So the fact that you have attended does not mean you are clever or competent.
Frankly, I would rather have someone in power who might just relate to the daily struggles and realities that most of us have to deal with, rather than someone who thinks hard up means giving up the Bentley.
For what its worth, the Norwich North by election result is about the reaction by the electorate to the perceived slight by the "Star Chamber" to their sitting MP. The fact that the guy had abused the system and basically "sold" his daughter a property paid for by us for 50% of its market value seems to have passed the dear folk of Norwich by.... but then what would you expect? They support a football club with Delia Smith at the helm...
It could well be argued the GB went ahead with that decision knowing that there may be a backlash that would cost them dearly at a by-election. It could also be argued that Ian Gibsons toy chucking resignation is the behaviour of a petulant child caught with its hand in the biscuit barrel.
Nothing is ever as simple as it appears..... well except for that twunt George Osborne and he really is that simple!