[Closed] STW:argue....

Emotionally? Perhaps.

And as I've kept trying to reign you back in from your flights of fancy hacking the FBI, I hope it's pretty clear that I'm talking solely about minor disagreements on a cycling forum. If 'injury' resulted from said disagreements, then no matter how hard any number of people on here had actually tried, there would be a much deeper root cause than STW.

As for digging out personal info and posting it online. Well, if you have it available online, it's in the public domain. As far as I'm aware, whilst unfortunate, there's no law against putting two and two together. The issue would be data protection, and that would come down to the sources of that information. All in all, pretty irrelevant to someone actually posting it all in one place on a forum. As we know from Edukator's efforts, getting things deleted from STW, even when explicitly requested by the author, would probably involve a court case to contest STW's T&Cs vs said data protection laws.

Would you troll someone in that situation?

No. But then I wouldn't troll anyone - it seems to be a waste of time for everyone involved. Robust discussion, yes, but arguing without reason? Well, I'll leave that to the owner of the small FB group to which this thread is attributed to.

(Though I'll hold up my hands and accept that in retrospect quite a few 'reasons' for discussions seem ephemeral at best from time to time. Mea culpa)

+1 tazzy - excellent. Nothing further needs to be said.

Financial injury- plenty of people have been left out of pocket after bad deals on internet forums.

So Mr Junkyard will never meet Dr Mungus 😥

Tazzy Hits the nail on the head

He can be as guilty as anyone of prodding for a reaction but he is correct - see sometimes I agree with you 😉

Actually, we already know each other quite well in real life, but i keep that separate from my interactions here.

Is it just me, or does anyone else wonder... if its not real, the rest of us don't matter, and it's easy to just walk away... why they've just spent seven pages arguing about it?

Anyway, as with most arguments, I suspect the two camps weren't that far apart at the beginning, but as things have gone on they've both taken more extreme and polarised views. So, in the interests in bringing us back to the middle ground, can we try looking at it this way...

There's some situations where your behaviour matters less - like an anonymous internet forum, or a party full of drunk strangers you'll never meet again; and there's other situations that matter more - like at work, or with family or close friends.

Some may choose to conduct themselves differently in these situations accordingly, although personally I've learnt (the hard way) that its wise to hold myself to the same standards of behaviour at either 😀

But... its still all [u]REAL LIFE[/u] in all its rich complexity and diversity...

Well said perthmtb.

So, in your terms, i think, you are not real and i have to protect myself from you becoming real.

But I am real. There is nothing you can do to change that.

You are just pretending I'm not by pretending to be someone else and keeping our real identity a secret.

Just because you insulate yourself from situations doesn't make them any less real.

But I am real. There is nothing you can do to change that.

You are just pretending I'm not by pretending to be someone else and keeping our real identity a secret.

Just because you insulate yourself from situations doesn't make them any less real.

Ok, therein lies the core of our difference, which we will probably not be able to reconcile. But this was not the source of our dicussion. I thought we had concluded where you understood why folks talk about it not being real

(by Cougar, a while ago)
We get a lot of reported posts

Do you tell individuals if they're being over-sensitive/unrreasonable ?
Do you always inform the original poster that it's happened at all ?

CharlieMungus - Member
I thought we had concluded where you understood why folks talk about it not being real

Just because you insulate yourself from situations doesn't make them any less real.

No, but he'll probably live a longer, happier, more stress-free life.

You're missing the point - a minor disagreement about which bottom bracket is best is the same whether it is on a forum or in real life. If you call my mother an ugly old witch? It's the same here or in a pub. There isn't a magic dividing line that separates "real life" from the Internet. Changing your hat doesn't change your head.

I know I havent read much of this but isnt Zokes just telling us he's an obvious troll?
Zokes tell me more about those welsh fans who offended you at a football match that time, it sounds funny

Tazzy put it perfectly! For someone that posts some utter balls, he does often hit the nail on the head too.

Some of the threads on here are truly humbling, something that footflaps posted on a thread about depression is verging on life changing for me.

You're missing the point

No i'm not

a minor disagreement about which bottom bracket is best is the same whether it is on a forum or in real life. If you call my mother an ugly old witc? It's the same here or in a pub.

There isn't a magic dividing line that separates "real life" from the Internet. Changing your hat doesn't change your head.

Not the internet, this forum. My real life extends to the internet.

so...

Am I real?

I thought we had concluded where you understood why folks talk about it not being real

I said I understood (after people had told me on this thread) how it is that they mistakenly believe the Internet isn't real life.
It doesn't mean they are right, I can just appreciate how they have come to that incorrect conclusion.

You can pretend its not real (which you have admitted is what you are doing) But it doesn't change the fact that it is.

Not the internet, this forum. [B]My real life extends to the internet.[/b]

So the Internet is the same as Real Life then after all. ?

Wow. That took some doing.

That's what I said.

The internet is not one homgenous entity,parts of it are real life, this forum, which is the context in which this dicussion has been taking place, is not, for me.

I said I understood (after people had told me on this thread) how it is that they mistakenly believe the Internet isn't real life.
It doesn't mean they are right, I can just appreciate how they have come to that incorrect conclusion.

I don't expect you to think they are right. I'm just glad that you now understand something which you earlier did not. I'm glad to have been a part of that

Zokes tell me more about those welsh fans who offended you at a football match that time, it sounds funny

There was a minutes silence being observed after Ken Bigley was beheaded and the video posted online. Only a lot of fans from the welsh end decided that would be a good opportunity to get a few words in. Hilarious I'm sure.

I don't expect you to think they are right. I'm just glad that you now understand something which you earlier did not. [B]I'm glad to have been a part of that[/b]

You weren't 😐

You aren't real, and neither am I. Remember ?

You can't congratulate yourself for achieving something if its not real can you.

That really is an oversimplification of what i've been saying, but you know that. Unless you think tht neither of us is real, then you can't really use that as an argument.

What i see is that you started off not understanding, then we all had a discussion, now you do understand. So you have increased your understanding. Good for you. You might at least be a little grateful and graceful to those who taught you.

You might at least be a little grateful and graceful to those who taught you.

An ant is in the jungle. Says to second ant "I need to get me some pussy". At that moment an elephant comes by. Ant jumps on elephant and starts exercising his ant-dick. As the elephant walks through the jungle, a coconut falls on its head. "Oww!!" says the elephant. "Yeah!" shouts the ant, "suffer baby, suffer!!"

There was a minutes silence being observed after Ken Bigley was beheaded and the video posted online. Only a lot of fans from the welsh end decided that would be a good opportunity to get a few words in. Hilarious I'm sure.

sounds like you were offended or did you choose not to be?
Do you reckon england fans are any better? Why do you choose to bring these things up when we interact in this unreal place?

You're really not doing yourself any favours

You might at least be a little grateful and graceful to those who taught you.

I'm not sure if you are serious there.

But just in case you are .......... 🙄

You can have some rolley eyes just to show my gratitude for the stuff you have "taught me"

🙂

You're really not doing yourself any favours

how so? Do I ever tell you about negative experiences with english football fans? Ever wonder why people mostly dont bother with such anecdotes?

Well, to what else do you attribute your gain in understanding?

Tazzy put it perfectly! For someone that post [s]posts some utter balls[/s] things that are from a different view point to yours and are coloured by your perception that I'm a screamy "look at me" attention seeking nichewhore

A_A said something stupid

Well, at least you're being honest about yourself now

Life's too short and I'm off to bed. Enjoy your trolling.

Well, to what else do you attribute your gain in understanding?

I used the phrase ....

"I've never really understood why people think that"

Not really meant to be taken literally. Maybe what I should have said was

"I've always disagreed with people who think that"

I suppose I should have known better, as this is STW where its much easier to pick at the way someone says something rather than the thing they are actually saying.

But hey, if it makes you feel better to think you are teaching me something, then that's fine.

Thanks for your (virtual) time and effort.

But as you said earlier

you are not real and i have to protect myself from you becoming real.

So I have no idea why you care either way ?

Life's too short and I'm off to bed.

but someone on the internet is wrong!!!

Doe anyone have any idea what you're arguing about? I think you either agree with each other or have, by now, disagreed with yourselves several times. I don't really want to read anymore but i keep being dawn back. Can we have a summary post every second page please.

In my defence taz you hardly did anything to alter the nichewhore moniker during your brief stint on wmmtb! 😆 fwiw, my impression of you is that you're one of the good guys!....gleaned from both on here and from those that [s]worhip[/s] know you 8)

during your brief stint on wmmtb!

well in my defense keef did say "no rules, just be you"....I hadn't realised it was full of folk that acted like frigid maiden aunts

what he should have said is "FFS don't be your usual self, there are a lot of folk that take themselves quite seriously on it" 😉

EDIT: oh and thanks, big snogs and a bottom fondle in the finest of cannock dogging traditional styleees

😆

I had a read through that thread a couple of weeks back.....cheered me right up 8)

Never having done it, what happens when somebody reports a post ?

We get an email with the body text you enter and a URL link. That's it. You can look at it as a convenient "contact the moderators" button if you like.

Doe anyone have any idea what you're arguing about? I think you either agree with each other or have, by now, disagreed with yourselves several times. I don't really want to read anymore but i keep being dawn back. Can we have a summary post every second page please.

Aye a summary post would be good. It all looks like you arguing about how to agree with each other.

Summary:

Some people think that a person typing out something on the internet isn't real.

They also think typing something offensive is Ok as the person reading shouldn't read it if it's offensive.

Others disagree.

In summary:

I'm right* and can turn a nice phrase when needed.

Everyone else wrong (ish)

Zokes is a troll

Charlie mungus is a paranoid delusional odd bod that just comes on here to argue with people that he doesn't believe are real and is actually frightened of

Oh and Tom B and I are in love now and we will soon be married and have little tazzies and Toms

*for an attenionewhore egochariot riding yobbo.

piemonster - Member
Aye a summary post would be good.

IMO - the problem starts here...

Personally I've got much bigger things to worry about than whether or not someone somewhere might be slightly offended by something I've said or heard.

Again, dont want to personalise this - but my point (missed earlier) is that problems arise because (as in so much of modern life) these issues are approached from the perspective of "I". We live in the "Me, Myself, I Society".

The solution is easy - in theory....

Cougar - Moderator
and not being offensive generally falls under "common decency."

...Good old fashioned manners, but in practice this is hard (especially when provoked) which is why we need and appreciate the effort of the mods. When we (all) overstep the mark, we need moderation, otherwise anarchy could ensue, or at the very least people would be put off using what is a very good forum. And who wants that?

QED

Summary: Seems it was all a misunderstanding. Neal said he didn't understand something, so i tried to explain it to him. What he meant was that he didn't agree with it. I see no reason why every needs to agree about conceptions of reality, though the New Scientist special issue on it was interesting. If i had known that's all it was i would have just noted it and moved long.

Out of curiosity, how do you know not to read something that's offensive?

I'd only know afterwards.

Out of curiosity, how do you know not to read something that's offensive?

Psychic powers.