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tbh 15.6k in Tod is okay.. product only comes out once in a month of sundays, cheap as chips to live locally, shops and a lidl close by chuck in a morrisons ( no banana soreen though) cracking market clean swimming pool, nice established employer,
if i was starting out my hand would be up like a shot..
Excellent. Taxpayers' money not wasted after all, then?
If I only save one life.... Then it probably wasn't worth it to be honest.
Don't think the term 'Engineer' necessarily means you should be an ace in the workshop, although you'd hope an engineer would at least know what they were talking about. So I'd say Adrian Newey (for example) is an engineer but he wouldn't be the first person I'd ask to weld a bike frame up for me.
A foot in the door is a foot in the door, **** the salary, better than doing a degree then pushing trolleys around waitrose car park like a lot of graduates end up doing.
My first graduate job paid £18.5k, a pittance compared to the fee I was earning the partners, but it was valuable experience, after two years I was earning double, after a few more years it's now a lot more.
If I was to be picky I could have waited and ended up stuck in a dead end job in a call centre earning bugger all and moaning about it on the Internet like someone posted on here the other week after doing a computing degree and not managing to get a job.
It's a small fortune to pay for what they'll probably get, some halfwit out of Uni that can't spell will have little idea of the real world and its costs and deadlines.
If it were down south it would be an internship with folk queing up to pay for the experience, they're very generous imv.
We used to use students from the very best college in St Gallon Switzerland, they'd come over, work a year just for board and keep and we'd learn stacks from them. Their typography was streets ahead of anything we were into.
So for that job the queue should stretch all the way down here and the lucky applicant should be prepared to work their balls off - but they wont, they'll expect all the usual bullshit brit employees want and get that bit of lead on a string swinging..
Have to say I was amazed at how low that job was offering - our in house designed (similar skill set, but not junior) was on £45k, but that's Cambridge wages for you...
As for University, I only went as I knew I had to get a degree to get the sort of job I wanted, it was a ticket you had to have to become an Engineer. NB My starting salary after graduating was £14,500 (1991).
Don't think the term 'Engineer' necessarily means you should be an ace in the workshop, although you'd hope an engineer would at least know what they were talking about.
If they're a fully trained engineer (as required to be chartered) they should have spent some time in a workshop, so know which end of a welding torch to hold, how to use machine tools etc. I had 3 months of workshop practice as part of my training (though I wouldn't be the first person I'd ask to weld up a bike frame 😉 ). This is a point folks seem to miss when they grumble about graduate engineers with no practical skills (that will be the ones not yet fully trained - though I did my workshop skills straight out of school before uni).
that nearly as much as me working in engineering for 20yrs the moneys shite thats why they cant make many to take it up
You know what you get if you pay your designer £15.6k per year? Dirt magazine.
I have always thought some people have that knack some don't
I had 3 months of workshop practice as part of my training
Blimey, i spent 4 years turning, milling, grinding and forming all manner of bits for my tutors steam traction engine!!
yeah the majority of the engineers i work with on a daily basis are mostly great theoretical engineers and useless in practical engineering applications, to the point where they can't assemble their own hardware :S
i'm actually an industrial designer, saw the add for the designer job, and as soon as i saw the salary closed the window. That's about 13k below what i was earning before i went back to finish my masters, and even then i was on an agency and not earning the normal amount.
Having said that, northern salary is generally lower than the south, and it's a graphic design position.
I asked the question as my role is operations engineer
Its a mix of technical support , running equipment offshore when we are short of folk/ i want extra money , building and testing new equipment and being the field focal point for engineering to bounce ideas off - i do have input into the design work of componants but only as much as discussing i dont actually have to do the design work or the calcs
My engineering comes when creating proceedures for the new equipment to be run through maths , theory ,proven techniques and testing.
Am i an engineer - imeche seems to think so but i have not really engineered anything ... Some would argue im a glorified technician with a degree. Its a battlei have with my self on a monthly basis ........
Oh and pinches i know that feeling - some of our lot didnt know one end of a pipe wrench from another when i had them in the workshop.