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Defeat from the jaws of victory and an end to any England aspirations. A real shame given that he has been flawless for Sale since he joined and pretty much a model professional on the pitch and the couple of times I have ran into him off the pitch.
Once breathlysed and the results noted surely he would not have been released immediately if found to be over the limit??
His Mum drives one!I mean its hard to get a black cab
It's quite normal to get bail in these circumstances.
Its not about whether he goes to prison / availability.
He's shown Lancaster he's a liability off the pitch, and can't be trusted to maintain a professional image. He's out.
It's quite normal to get bail in these circumstances.
Of course but if he was charged that would probably be reported wouldnt it?
He's shown Lancaster he's a liability off the pitch, and can't be trusted to maintain a professional image.
Hard to say and we will find out soon enough. If he was drunk then there is no place in hell hot enough in my opinion. Other than this and the Bus incident (Even his critics viewed that as "high spirits" etc) then he has cleaned up his act significantly since joining Sale.
Often yes, if he's over on the station machine he'd be charged straight away. Whether that also gets reported, I'm not sure how that works.
There are a few scenarios where he could be bailed and then charged later on.
Never did the princesses husbands England career any harm.
He may have passed the breatherlyzer test.
I read he crashed into a silver Prius at 5am, bizarre twist is that it was most probably an Uber taxi (opps I mean mini-cab), which is ironic as he should be been in a taxi.
Interesting trivia @surfer and further irony
I take no joy in this situation but I've always said he was a "waster" with poor discipline, he can't help himself. He cannot be relied upon and sadly that means at the highest levels he cannot be selected. A club like Sale gave him a chance, that's where he should stay - his talent would suggest more but he cannot manage his behaviour.
The news reports don't really give us enough info.
If he'd blown over the limit at the station then he'd almost certainly have been charged but reports say he wasn't charged but was "released on bail". However, you're normally released on bail if you've BEEN charged.
Still, SL was never gonna play him in the RWC - too "flash".
@names - it's not that he's too flash, he's too unreliable.
It's possible he failed the roadside test and was arrested and taken to the station for "processing" or that he refused a roadside test and was thus arrested and taken to the station. As far as I am aware you can refuse breath and blood tests but then you are charged with a different offense and at court you are very likely to be found guilty and treated more harshly than if you'd just failed the test
Might have had to go to blood, various scenarios when this can happen, results of which take a few weeks, hence police bail.
Might be due to circumstances, ie. RTC rather than simply stopped by police, and as they need to prove he was driving there may be further enquiries (CCTV, witness statements perhaps), and then it might need t go to CPS for a decision.
As said above, too little info to say really.
jambalaya - it's not that he's too flash, he's too unreliable.
Yeah, I know why you don't like him. True, he's failed the d***head test on more than one occasion BUT I still think he's England's best fly half - or should have been.
I remember watching Mark Ella play and thinking that there seemed to be several of him and he was all over the pitch (OK - when his brothers were also playing for Australia it really seemed that way!). I read a piece years later, by Ian McGeechan IIRC saying that Ella's workload off the ball was what had made him such a phenomenal player. He could give a pass then pop up outside the players he's passed to.
If you look at recent tries scored by Sale and even highlights from the Rebels a few years back the first bloke to congratulate the try scorer is often Cipriani. Not just because he likes a dance and a bit of a cuddle(!) but often because he's bust a gut to support the play.
All great players do this. Kieran Read, Josh Kronfeld, David Campese, Keith Wood etc etc. George Ford does it well too.
He's been great for Sale but if we'd seen him playing for a dominant side it would have been interesting.
'Nuff said. I don't think he'll get another shot for England either way.
@name I think we agree that Cirpriani is very talented, Farrell should never have had a look in as Cips should have made the 10 jersey his own. He possibly made the England side too early but had he put his head down and worked hard on his game he would have been our first choice 10. He was slow kicking with an extra small step which the South African's exploited and a little too flash sometimes but had he worked on that and the rest of his game he would have been a very fine player. All that just makes me even more frustrated with him (likewise Henson), there are many players who would die for the talent. I think he believed in his own talent too much, he's too used to that bailing him out time and time again.
I don't think Toulon should take him but if he did go he'd get 5 years there on good money and the England selection isn't going to worry him now.
Apparently he is back training with the England squad and the terms of his bail require him to return to the station early August. Surely anyone failing a test would be charged before then??
Is this becoming a non story with only Jambalaya convinced of his guilt?
I dont really see how being done for drink driving should affect his England chances tbh. If he holds his hands up and says he made a mistake then let him play I reckon. Tuilagi will be back after xmas and he assaulted female police officers. Mike Tindal got away with it. Cipriani at least didnt get pissed and drive a golf buggy up the m4 or steal a taxi!
Glad Jambo didnt judge our Gav...he got drunk on a train once AND did some dancing on telly!!!
I dont really see how being done for drink driving should affect his England chances tbh.
Every company I've worked for a drink driving conviction is considered gross misconduct and dismissal.
If Chippy has been arrested on suspicion of drink driving and is cleared that's fine, if he's guilty then it's curtains IMO. Drink driving is quite rightly socially unacceptable.
As an aside @aa I was clearing out an old hard drive last night and I found a directory belonging to one of my daughters with some pics of Gav in it 🙂
Good girl!!!
What about Prince Tindall? He carried on. Should Cips be sacked by Sale too?
What about Prince Tindall?
I'd be very concerned if jambalayas daughter had pics of [i]him[/i] on her PC.
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His nose is straighter these days isnt it?
Scott Gibbs robbed a taxi didn't do his career any harm 😆
If he was over the limit he would of been in magistrates court next day and banned, could of found something else like Coke but I doubt it as that would be all over the news.
Bit weird.
Gibbs got done for drink driving as well as nicking the taxi. Powell got done for drink driving a golf buggy too.
Gav took a train!!
Oops
According to Brian Moore (who should know) if you fail at the station its a charge there and then.
If its borderline - in the area of % error - then its either a blood or urine sample sent off for testing. So from information available it appears he was borderline on the station testing kit.
His nose is straighter these days isnt it?
I think he's refused to have it done again.
I just heard Jerry Collins has been killed in a car crash 😥 awful news, great player.
Yeah, just seen that on the BBC, very sad
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11460544
Wife killed too and daughter in hospital...****ing awful. Great player and true hardman without the panto villan stuff.
Pretty crap story all round. Bloody 3 month old baby left behind and in hospital too. Crikey.
Tough times. Seems they where stopped for a breakdown (?) at 4:30am and the bus ran into them. More detail in that NZ piece than the BBC had this morning.
RIP Jerry. 🙁 he was one of the good guys. I hope the baby pulls through.
The best Ospreylian ever to play for Barnstaple 2nd XV.
🙁
In some good news on a pretty dark day for rugby George North is back training.
Rip Jerry Collins,by all accounts a fantastic guy off the pitch who loved the game,the link with Barnstaple Flashy mentions would seem to bear that out.
TThe daughter of former All Black Jerry Collins who was seriously injured in a car crash in France which killed Collins and his partner, remains in a serious condition but is showing signs of improvement.
Collins' manager Tim Castle said Ayla remains in a critical condition but has "improved a little" overnight.
"Ayla's care and recovery is central to all of our endeavours at this time, as the record shows, little Ayla is three months old, and she was taken to hospital in a critical condition.
"The news today is that her condition has improved a little, which is wonderful for the family. She remains nevertheless in a very serious condition and the circumstances are being monitored by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, by the rugby club and the others we have on the ground down there, hour by hour and our hopes are of course that she will recover."
Castle would not say the extent of Ayla's injuries.
"The medical information is being kept confidential at this time, she is under very strict and very close care. I'm aware of some details but they are confidential at this time."
Castle said the details about who would raise Ayla were "a long way away from being worked through".
"There are two things which are dominant at the moment: one is to make sure that we are providing continuing support for the care that Ayla needs, that's the first thing, and the second thing is really, as soon as possible, when time permits, we would want Jerry coming home."
However, Castle did say that fellow rugby players Neemia Tialata and Chris Masoe were on the way to be with Collins "and to be with little Ayla".
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/inte ... ench-crash
The daughter of former All Black Jerry Collins who was seriously injured in a car crash in France which killed Collins and his partner, remains in a serious condition but is showing signs of improvement.Collins' manager Tim Castle said Ayla remains in a critical condition but has "improved a little" overnight.
"Ayla's care and recovery is central to all of our endeavours at this time, as the record shows, little Ayla is three months old, and she was taken to hospital in a critical condition.
"The news today is that her condition has improved a little, which is wonderful for the family. She remains nevertheless in a very serious condition and the circumstances are being monitored by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, by the rugby club and the others we have on the ground down there, hour by hour and our hopes are of course that she will recover."
Castle would not say the extent of Ayla's injuries.
"The medical information is being kept confidential at this time, she is under very strict and very close care. I'm aware of some details but they are confidential at this time."
Castle said the details about who would raise Ayla were "a long way away from being worked through".
"There are two things which are dominant at the moment: one is to make sure that we are providing continuing support for the care that Ayla needs, that's the first thing, and the second thing is really, as soon as possible, when time permits, we would want Jerry coming home."
However, Castle did say that fellow rugby players Neemia Tialata and Chris Masoe were on the way to be with Collins "and to be with little Ayla".
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/inte ... ench-crash
POOL ONE: Saracens, Ulster, Toulouse, Oyonnax
POOL TWO: Clermont Auvergne, Ospreys, Exeter, Bordeaux
POOL THREE: Glasgow, Northampton, Racing 92, Scarlets
POOL FOUR: Stade Francais, Munster, Leicester, Treviso
POOL FIVE: Bath, Toulon, Leinster, Wasps
Gives Ospreys a glimmer of hope. Pool 5 looks a tad tricky.
Anyone else see this?
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Mr North has impeccable taste......
Not removing fender on bone dry day=rookie mistake.
Those shoes don't look too clever either.
No pleasing some people 😉
Pool 5 is a pool of death for sure.
Congrats to Stade Francais shaking up the Top 14. Poor old Clermont. So little reward for a few very good seasons.
France should just field this lot in 2019.
He should wear that hat in games too!!
Pigface I saw that, indeed not.
"Stormin" Norman Berryman (NZ club player with one AB cap) has died at the age of 42 from a heart attack [url= http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/23/rugby-tributes-flow-for-norm-berryman ]link[/url]
I thought it showed the changing times as Strettle has withdrawn from the RWC squad to focus on his move to Clermont - he can rest up this summer and spend the duration of the tournament working with them, I can understand this decision as he's been outside the England setup for so long. At least it means a spot for Rokodunugi [url= http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/22/david-strettle-withdrawing-world-cup-squad ]link[/url]
Strettle who I have always rated has thrown the towel in, is he a man of principle or is there some thing rotten in the england camp 😉 😆
Probs just wasn't that bothered about pulling a bollock out in the pre-world cup camp when realistically he was only ever going to be a squad player (rightly or wrongly). So decided to take a few weeks extra holidays and get stuck into his new life in France with his family. Seems fair enough in my opinion.