[Closed] STW 2014/15 Rugby Thread

A_a, unfortunately we won't be seeing Sam tonight. Sadly for all.
http://www.warriors.co.uk/news/8494.php

Well thats thoroughly shite for the lad.

Burgess still a back then!

England 50-man training squad:

Forwards: Dave Attwood (Bath), Kieran Brookes (Newcastle Falcons), Calum Clark (Northampton Saints), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Alex Corbisiero (Northampton Saints), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), Nick Easter (Harlequins), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), George Kruis (Saracens), Matt Kvesic (Gloucester), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Ben Morgan (Gloucester), Matt Mullan (Wasps), Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Ed Slater (Leicester Tigers), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Rob Webber (Bath), David Wilson (Bath), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints), Tom Youngs (Leicester).

Backs: Chris Ashton (Saracens), Brad Barritt (Saracens), Mike Brown (Harlequins), Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints), Sam Burgess (Bath - can also play in the forwards), Danny Care (Harlequins), Danny Cipriani (Sale), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints), Kyle Eastmond (Bath), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath), Alex Goode (Saracens), Jonathan Joseph (Bath), Jonny May (Gloucester), Stephen Myler (Northampton Saints), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), David Strettle (Saracens), Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester), Anthony Watson (Bath), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens), Marland Yarde (Harlequins), Ben Youngs (Leicester).

Looks strong.

Not that strong,12t is still in it,and also,Burgess isn't a back. Can't see how they can pick him over any of the rest of the back row or Dave Ewers at all.

Ouch, poor Gav.

Brizzle 28- 29 Worcester. Briz went six ahead with 4 minutes to go but Worcester touched down in the dying seconds. Must have been a pressure conversion..

Stronger than we can muster up here Duckman!

Is the Bristol v Worcs an aggregate score thing?

Word has it that gavs proper ****ed.

Henson has a fractured shin & is out of next week's game. Ryan Jones has wrecked his shoulder and is also out.

Worcester's advantage now I think, a win away and a home game to come.

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Not that strong,12t is still in it,and also,Burgess isn't a back. Can't see how they can pick him over any of the rest of the back row or Dave Ewers at all.

Agreed.

The real weakness is the coaching team - Rowntree excepted.

Meh. Marco mama is a fair replacement for Jones. Not sure who's going to fill for gav though. Prob Tovey or mosses but id love to see Luke eves have a big final showing. Can't believe they're letting him go.

Tiggs,I wouldn't trade either of our middle two for 12t,for me he epitomises everything that is wrong with Lancaster. 12t is a player who fits into the rigid system that they play and keeps getting picked because he is incapable of independent thought. What's the betting they bring him on instead of Cipriani at 10 at some point?
Wrecker; take that back! Nobody can fill in for Gav. [b]#prayforAA[/b]

Entertaining game last night but a few thoughts drifted through my head as I watched..

Was it terrible defence and tackling on both sides or a handful of extremely talented players vs normal defences? (Vuna, Morgan etc) Certainly there were some big impressive hits but also plenty of missed tackles.

Bristol have three Welsh outside halves, at various points in their careers. I find that incredible. These were 2nd tier teams and the amount of capped, GS winning players on show was hard to believe. Money talks.

Once again, for 2nd tier teams the crowd was impressive. Equivalent Welsh teams struggle to muster 1000 people but then they don't have Gav on the field.

And finally, I'm glad to see he is still impressively orange.

And yes, all this is jealousy! 🙂

He looked fairly pale when he was stretchered off. Who are these three welsh outside halves? Robinson had a few caps, Morgan hasnt played 10 for Wales has he and how many tests has Gav started at 10?

Morgan is a great player ball in hand but is no 10. Robinson or Gav would have been better. Morgan should have been a 9/wing like that Glasgow fijian fella.

You know what I mean a_a.

Deadlydarcy and I have sore heads this morning. Superb game to watch. DD is bound to bitch about the reffing, and he got booed off a bit unfairly imo at the end. But the win wasn't stolen from Bristol, it was earned by worcs in one of their hardest working games of the season.

Real shame to see the pretty boy stretchered off. His kicking was impressive. Ryan lamb's was awful.
The pack won the first half and if lamb had managed to put any of his kicks over they would have put the result out of doubt by the 40th minute.

As it was, the game stayed close and competitive for 80.

Worcs pack scrummaging and esp rucking was the best of the season. Finally.

Some of the backs tackling was v shonky though.

Got tickets for the boy and I for the return at home. Can't wait. The away win by such a small margin is pretty meaningless really. Winner next week takes all.

Sale sign former All Black Bryn Evans on a 2yr deal. Apparently Dan Braid gives him glowing references, don't know much about him past his wiki page.

Morgan is a great player ball in hand but is no 10. Robinson or Gav would have been better. Morgan should have been a 9/wing like that Glasgow fijian fella.

Fair result really. Had Lamb made his kicks, the result would have flattered wuss. The Perenise binning was a travesty and barnes was at best guessing come scrum time but with the exception of the Perenise thing I don't think it affected the result.
Bris had the territory and possession but that shonky defence was exploited well by wuss.
Good game though.

No reaction to the England RWC squad announcement? Hmm yes I can see why...

Gashton's back in and Farrel remains, Seems like Cips will play 10 against the Baa Baa's so thats a big game for him to prove himself, same goes for Launchbury & Morgan.

he went to train and halfway through training the forwards kicked off with each other, full of fists flying scrap. The coach just stood looking at them and said "every week its the same I just cant do anything with them"

Crazy! This young prop that went on to do well at the top levels described it as "tough" initially but "it got better as he matured and got stronger" 😯 That is some way have to to fit in to a team!

@Kryton it's a training squad, 50 names. Means very little. No surprises really not even Burgess or Ashton.

And there was me thinking we'd finally beat the AB's by fielding 50 players... 🙄

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But Bristol head coach Sean Holley expects Henson to return to action.

"He'll be back for the early part of pre-season. Gav's really in great shape, he keeps himself in supreme physical condition," said Holley.

"So I would imagine we'll see a lot more of him yet.

"Obviously he's really despondent. He wanted to play a huge part in next week but he's got a broken fibula."

On the subject of Warriors - how's Simon Cross getting on?

What a boot from Pienaar SUFTUM

Oh well...would have been nice to see the best team in Ireland get to the final. 😀

A great if slightly undeserved win for Glasgow! Never seen that coming.

I dont think you're allowed to go back that far for a knock on nige!

Very poor kicking from Keatley kept Ospreys in it till the death. Poorest performance from Nigel I've seen in a while - he missed quite a lot out there today. I'll take the result but if that try at the end had stood, I'd still not whinge about the ref - too much of that goes on in this thread. 🙂

match organiser may appoint an official who uses technological devices. If the referee is unsure when making a decision in in-goal involving a try being scored or a touch down, that official may be consulted.

The official may be consulted if the referee is unsure when making a decision in in-goal with regard to the scoring of a try or a touch down when foul play in in-goal may have been involved.

The official may be consulted in relation to the success or otherwise of kicks at goal.

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Or in Nige world you can go ack ten phases to look for a knock on you missed.

I thought the ref could go back further than that these days to eg forward passes like the French one that Steve Walsh spotted last year? They're guidelines up there ^^ aren't they? Not laws.

Well he effectively ran the clock down for Munster with the Ospreys effectively having no chance of scoring. Then at the end of the game he blew up even though the knock on ocurred with plenty of time for the scrum. He removed any chance of the Ospreys winning the game.

That's a superb spin on Nigel losing the game for Ospreys. 😀 I'm sure Welsh fans would hate to have won it with the ref missing such a blatant infringement anyway wouldn't they?

Its hardly spin its what happend. Would have been a farce for the try to stand.

Yes, I suppose it is what happened, if, effectively, you think that Ospreys may have won the game with a scrum against the head inside the last minute.

Anyway, fair result on the day AFAIC. If Keatley had had even one kicking boot on, the game would have been out of Ospreys' reach sometime early in the second half. My money would have been on Glasgow for the final, but they were poor against Ulster so it could go either way. I wouldn't begrudge Glasgow a title - they've been entertaining this season.

Yes, I suppose it is what happened, if, effectively, you think that Ospreys may have won the game with a scrum against the head inside the last minute.

They most likely wouldnt have done but Webbs earlier try showed they had some chance as it was they had no chance at all.

It was a fair result though. Ospreys really missed Lydiates defence in the second half.
Nicky Smith could be very special in a few years time. Gethin mkII.

Aye agreed...he does look good. I thought Munster showed a bit too much respect to Ospreys' ruck at the breakdown. I'm more used to seeing them contest rucks a lot more, but it was clearly a tactic from the start - based on the ref choice do you think? Or based on having lost to them twice already in the league and wanting more men to defend? Ospreys had a lot more pace out wide (IMO). They clearly didn't make a concerted attempt to win ruck ball unless it was really there for the taking which is unusual for them. Their penalty count was quite low. 😀

Zebo looks like he's carrying a bit of timber doesn't he?

Zabo got mullered by Hassler didnt he! Walker is looking sharp too. Wonder if Johns might be an outside bet for the Wales world cup squad.

Bugger that's my season done, crack on and beat Glasgow Darcy.

M'on the Wedgies! Big Ally Kellock's last game as well,

Wow Leicester got battered Donkey scored a hat trick 😯

Shame about Northampton - bet they wished they'd put out a side to beat Leicester now and had been playing Exeter yesterday!

Sadly I can't see Glasgow beating Munster. They have picked a bad time to lose form!

Super Gavin Henson ?@UnrealGavHenson
Watching Eurovision, a continent wide party which only rarely sees meaningful Welsh involvement... not wholly unlike the European Cup!

in Nige world you can go ack ten phases to look for a knock on you missed.

After the knock-on there were 10 passes, 1 ruck and the Ospreys made about 40 metres. The knock-on happened at 79.39. A Munster fan could argue that Webb knocked the ball forward (ruled sideways) at 79.30.

If Owens hadn't gone to the tmo it would have been a travesty. If he had blown at the knock-on, by the time a scrum had been set the clock would have been red.

Fair enough result imo, although it would have been nice to hear the Munster crowd booing the Ospreys off the field for a second time in a year!

Well I suppose it's something a little different from having a go at the ref because of where he comes from. 🙂

Owens hadn't gone to the tmo it would have been a travesty. If he had blown at the knock-on, by the time a scrum had been set the clock would have been red

The first bit is correct but the second not. If you call a knock on with time on the clock the scrum should be completed and the game carries on until the next stoppage providing its not a pen
He couldnt have ended the game on a knock with 20 seconfs still on the clock. His **** up was not calling the obvious knock on. He got out of it without shafting Munstet which was good but in doing so he removed the Ospreys chance completely. The fair thing to do would have been to call the scrum although the crowd would have lynched him, however he would then be going further and further down the blind alley created by his relying on the tmo for something its not there for.

I agree, he should have re-called play back to the knock-on spot with a Munster put-in with the clock running normally (i.e. in the red). Yes, there'd be a small chance that Ospreys could have got a push on and either got a scrum penalty in a kickable position to take it to extra time or other scenarios, but that would have been the best decision...I think.

Anyway, even forgetting that decision, not his best game I reckon.

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Owens hadn't gone to the tmo it would have been a travesty. If he had blown at the knock-on, by the time a scrum had been set the clock would have been red
The first bit is correct but the second not

I didn't say that he should blow up before setting the scrum.

Yes, there'd be a small chance that Ospreys could have got a push on and either got a scrum penalty in a kickable position to take it to extra time or other scenarios, but that would have been the best decision...I think.

Not confusing at all. Ospreys scored one of their tries from a munster scrum [u]could [/u] [u]might have/ had a chance of [/u]have scored another on the otherhand the last 30 seconds were effectively a pointless waste of 30 seconds no matter what had happend Munster could not lose. I dont see how that is hard to understand.

We all understand it, I think. I just don't understand why you're arguing about it?

Perhaps the real debate might be over why Nige was appointed for this game. He comes from an area 30minutes drive from Swansea, so hardly neutral. But on the other hand, that area is famously partisan against Swansea, so again, hardly neutral. Were there no other properly neutral refs available? No Scottish refs? Italian? I genuinely would have preferred George Clancy for this game.

Oh, so now we [i]are[/i] whinging about where the ref is from? 😆

I'm not sure Nigel could ever be accused of anything other than being scrupulously fair. Yes, he missed stuff yesterday...not his finest game, but in no way did he unfairly punish Ospreys...if anything, he maybe went a bit easy on Webb and A-WJ for trying to ref the game for him. 🙂

We all understand it, I think. I just don't understand why you're arguing about it?

I'm always happy to whinge about the ref, darcy! 😀 Very often they spoil good games. Nige is a very good ref but he rarely seems to have a good game when the Os or Scarlets are involved. (Conflicted maybe?) And, by god, we've had him wreck enough Os v Scarlets games.

Did he really tell AWJ to stop reffing? I heard him tell Webb, but the S4C commentators just wittered over any interesting thing that Owen said. I loved AWJ's expression when Tipuric was penalised for hanging onto the ball. (He took it legally, I thought,from a Munster player who stole it from a tackled Osprey..) Murder was on Alun's mind. 😆

Footage of a really nice Bath fan in the tunnel pre-game yesterday. 😆 What a tit!!

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Footage of a really nice Bath fan in the tunnel pre-game yesterday. What a tit!!

Shouldn't be that hard for the stewards or someone else to ID the guy and the club could censure him.

Good to see Leicester take a beating though. 😆

Hartley cited for a headbut, TMO looked at it and said it was all good but still cited. Not sure how that works.

Tmo amd citing officer are different. Good old Dylan he really is quite the panto villian isnt he. Any footage?

Reminder that the [i]final[/i] final of the championship is on sky sports (and the usual streaming sites) tonight. Bris vs wuss, 1 point in it.
If it's as good as last weeks game then it will be well worth watching.
kick off 1945hrs

*sitting at my desk in my Warriors hoody*

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Boy and I are dead excited. Heading to Sixways this evening.

Me, all day today:
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Jiffy Jnr out of the RWC as well! Ruptured his ACL at the weekend. Gutting for him but could this be Scott Williams' time to shine, seems to be the man in form at the moment.

Blimey!

Only watched the last 10 minutes of the Championship Final but that was pretty damn exciting.

Shame one side had to lose but well done to Worcs for coming back like that.

End to end stuff. Well played both teams. I was hoping for a Bristol win 🙁

Stoner is probably a tad excited.

The lanky Brummy in a tank top is going to be insufferable!

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[i]Stoner[/i]

The away win by such a small margin is pretty meaningless really. Winner next week takes all.

It was though as things turned out!

Sounded like a good game - obviously not much between these two.

Hartley to miss all warm up games and the Fiji game. Will slancaster pick him??

There are three things in life which are certain.
Death
Taxes
and Hartley being a bellend.

If Lancaster does pick him, he'll regret it as soon as Hartley's sent off in the first match. He's an utter liability.

Are there no other decent hookers in England???

Lancaster could save himself and his team a lot of hassle by simply telling him he's no longer required.

Players like him ...and Callum Clark should not be rewarded with international caps.

I may be mistake but I think Hartley is nearly at 50+ weeks suspension which means he has spent almost a year of his career suspended! Love to double check the stats as it can't be far off. Swearing at a ref, gouging, headbutting... I wonder what else he needs to complete the list? 😆

I think with this 4 week ban he's getting nearer to 60 weeks banned!!

Edit: He was on 50, so 54 now, he might make 60 next season though.....

Was able to see most of the last 20 mins tonight, great advert for the game and both clubs. Congratulations to Worcester.

I am it going to sour that game with any comment on Hartley

I AM GOING TO BE A ******* INSUFFERABLE ARSE FROM NOW UNTIL PROBABLY SOMETIME MIDDLE OF NEXT SEASON!!!

AARGGRGRAGHHGHGHGAGHGHGGH!GH!HG!HHGHGGGGH!!!!!!!!!!

My nerves are shot to bits. My voice has got up and left. I hugged two fat men I'd never met before. My boy is in bed with a perma-grin he can't shake. And I have to be up at 6 tomorrow to catch a flight.

Followed the game on twitter (don't have SKY) & I was nervous!
Sounds like a fantastic game, thought Worcester had blown it with 10 minutes to go, must have been an incredible atmosphere at Sixways last night.
Pennel really should be in the wider England training squad, maybe Saxons as he must have nerves of steel to make that final kick!

Welcome back Warriors, was rooting for you over Bristol 😀

Wow congrats Stoner back to the big time. How much have Bristol spent and still no joy, should romp it next year.

Biter, Ref Abuser, Gouger. Elbower and now Head Butter 😆 Dylan Dylan Dylan 🙄

I don't think it was Pennell who made the final kick, it was Lamb. And tbh it was right in front of the posts. Awesome game though, I'm a complete neutral to both teams but my heart was going watching it! The atmosphere looked incredible.

Both teams deserve to be in the Premiership and it'd be better off with them both there.

Are there no other decent hookers in England???

Tommy Taylor 🙂

How much have Bristol spent and still no joy, should romp it next year.