[Closed] Stopping eating meat..

Adding bacon makes anything delicious.

excellent Malvern will be along in a bit, and I get to try out another of his delicious recipes.

The world is literally filled to the brim with very good veggie cookbooks, my only advice to you is don't substitute,almost all the the quorns and whatever are horrible.

An easy win

Mushroom Stroganoff: Make some rice, in the time that takes to cook through, gently fry a chopped onion with some smoked pakprika in good splash of olive oil and a generous knob of butter, roughly chop a couple of hundred grams of various mushrooms, and let them soften, season to taste. gentle fry for about 7-10mins. As you're ready to serve, turn off the heat and stir through a small pot of soured cream. Drain rice,serve with a garnish of fresh corriander

Thanks Nickc

Veg Everyday from Hugh F-W.

Great recipes

APF

Old El Paso fajita kit (small tortillas, salsa, spice mix)
Guacamole?
Sour cream?
Cheese (Mexicana is a fave of mine, but whichever you fancy)

Various veg (including onion, mushroom, bell peppers) and if like me, fruit like banana and apple, sliced up and bunged into hot frying pan with oil for ~7-10mins.

Add spice mix, plus if pan contents dry, ~5 tablespoons of water. Mix in until most veg covered.

~1-2mins later, chuck portions of pan contents on tortilla, add guacamole and cream and sliced/grated cheese before folding up tortilla.

So simple, even I can cook it and it tastes great IMO.

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Frankly, I'm disappointed in you. Either have a steak or go full level 4 vegan*

D-.... must try harder

*eat nothing that casts a shadow

On a less flippant note, how come now? Whats made the decision

I'm genuinely interested

Everyone I know has gone the other way. i.e.: my sister was veggie for 18 years then rejected it in fairly dramatic fashion at a barby at ours, where she was like a shark in a feeding frenzy on burgers and sausages. And another mate did the same with a lamb roast, having been veggie for 20 years, when we were out for Sunday lunch. Both have whole-heartedly embraced the carnivores diet ever since

I've been veggie since the start of this year. It's been pretty easy, and I've not missed meat at all.

I'm thinking of going (mostly) vegan next.

Mike.... Is that like the culinary equivalent of saying you're bisexual, on the way to fully coming out as gay, Tom Daley style 😉

I’d recommend you initially get right out of the “three things together = supper” mentality.
Then, then invest in lots of dried spices.. from green to red.

Then buy Hugh F-W’s book, then Ottelinghi’s books, then Nigel Slaters, then one from the Vegan selection.

Mark out a few recipes that look interesting, then go buy double the amount of the ingredients.. some ingredients you’ll stock up on anyway, some will be used in the first attempt at a meal.

Take some time and practice evening meals, put some music on and enjoy putting stuff together and learning all things variety bestows upon you.

Don’t think “must replace meat with xxxxxxxx” you need to change the mental process of slamming three things together to make supper.

IMO.

I've decided to try it as since I was 16/17 I've weight trained and eaten so much chicken, not so much red meat tbh,that I'm sick of the sight of it. I've read that a plant based diet, which I'm kind of building up to, is a healthier and more natural way to eat for various reasons. Thanks for the advice bikebouy.

I think I'd rather slam 3 things together than go veggie

My nuts and a door, possibly.

(just kidding - I have reduced my meat intake substantially this year as part of chub club and while i couldn't go the whole hog, I think I enjoy it more as an occasional* treat rather than the basis of every meal)

* to be properly fair, i do still eat quite a lot of fish and reasonable amounts of chicken, red meat is now the occasional bit. And 2/3 of my plate is grains and vegetables.

I am not a veggy in fact the polar oppsite, but my veggie and vegan mates are amongst the best cooks I know. So I agree with bikebouys advice above. All the vegan stuff I have been fed, to my utter satisfaction, comes from left field and is not a meat n 2 veg format with "something else" instead of the meat. There appears to be lots of imagination in this area so you won't have any problems. Show us some pictures of your efforts.

OP.. bodybuilding you say..

You are not alone in going veggie..

[url= https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/healthy-vegetarian-recipes.html ]Veggie bodybuilding site..[/url]

Thanks again bikebouy I've seen a few guys who train and look good on the veggies so I'm really intrigued as to what gains I could make by eating protein from the original source as such. That website looks great

A couple of simple recipes;
Tomato sauce for pizzas, lasagne, spaghetti etc. Fry an onion in olive oil, add chopped red pepper, oregano and 2 tins tomatoes. Simmer for 15 mins.
You can adapt this sauce to make a chilli sauce by adding a chopped chilli or chilli powder and some red kidney beans to go with a baked spud.
Simple dahl. Cook a cupful of red lentils in 3 cups of water with a tsp salt. Cook slowly till lentils absorb water into a puree ( a bit of stirring). In a separate pan fry an onion, a chilli (chopped) a thumb sized piece of ginger finely chopped, 3 cloves garlic crushed and a 5cm piece of turmeric finely chopped. Add the lentil puree, stir well and simmer for 10 mins. You can of course substitute powdered turmeric etc but it won't taste as good

Thanks Mildbore

I think do it gradually. Like most things if you wean yourself off it it's easy, cold turkey (lolz) is tough

Soup. You can do some amazeballs things with soups. I really like this at the moment:

https://realfood.tesco.com/recipes/nanas-magic-soup.html

I swapped the coconut milk for regular as it was too dominant a taste, and added fresh garlic. It's ace.

A couple of threads from earlier this year which might help.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/vegetarians-tips-on-making-the-transition-easy

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/vegetarian-meals-share-your-super-quick-recipes

A "three things together = supper" strategy is great, but make them grains, beans and greens. Plus eggs/cheese, I suppose, if you're veggy.

Everyone I know

A "three things together = supper" strategy is great, but make them grains, beans and greens.

I'm having bangers, mash and er... onion gravy tonight, that's three things isn't it?

Anna jones' books are good tasty modern veggie food. Most recipes are quick too. We probably eat something of hers every other night. Sample recipes are on her website.

Pulse is also a good book if you like lentils, chickpeas, beans, etc.

I found ottolenghi food to be bland and rich.

Veg Everyday from Hugh F-W.

Great recipes

This was my first thought, also you can filter BBC Good Food recipes into vegetarian and save yourself a list of favourites. There's some good ideas in there.

excellent Malvern will be along in a bit, and I get to try out another of his delicious recipes.

Rub the fat foodie fairy up the right way and he shall appear 😉

Lazy link for OP as comfort food in the chilly winter is a boon:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/whats-yr-best-veggievegan-pie-recipe#post-7019339

I forgot the Engevita B12 savoury yeast flakes in that recipe, couple of tblspns stirred into the cooked filling before topping with spuds.

*Edit: And another puy lentil special but this time tex-mex chilli-non-carne (I swear by those small dark green speckly peppery/meaty-flavoured beauties, not the fat light green ones which are only useful for dahls IMO). Add mushrooms for extra oomph.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/your-best-comfort-food-recipes-lets-have-em-then#post-6382906

A good shakshouka recipe on that page too (not mine)

I forgot the Engevita B12 savoury yeast flakes in that recipe

I sometimes use Marmite as a flavouring for things that would traditionally be meaty. Spag bol, chilli non carne and suchlike.

Thanks guys all this stuff is very helpful 🙂

my sister was veggie for 18 years then rejected it in fairly dramatic fashion at a barby at ours, where she was like a shark in a feeding frenzy on burgers and sausages.

I would have thought a good start for veggie dishes is to look at "other than British" cuisine. Lots of good Italian sauces, Indian curries, Chinese stir frys etc.

I'm definitely a meat eater but in recent years have incorporated more veggie dishes into my diet. I particularly love beans and lentils.

+1 on the marmite, but watch the high salt. Yeast flakes have a comparatively negligible amount but good taste. I tend to use both mix n match and then forego adding salt.

I've stopped eating red meat and chicken, but still eat fish and seafood. Other half doesnt eat any meats. Here's an easy 'cheating' Sunday roast that works really well IMO.

[b]'Cheating' Vegan Sunday Dinner[/b]

- cut smallish and blanche some taters ready to roast (if you plan ahead it is really nice if marinade the cold blanched spuds overnight in a liberal drizzling of fresh lemon juice, salt and loads of crushed garlic)
- Heat oven
-Add taters to a few tblspns of oil in foil-lined oven tray
-when half roasted add some carrots and parsnip sticks, shake a bit of cumin in there.
-15 mins from end of roasting throw in a couple of Linda Macs 1/4lb burgers (these are vegan too). Sprinkle some smoked paprika on top of burgers beforehand if you want a BBQd taste.

- Chop and boil/steam yr fave greens and then save green water to:

- Make gravy from Bisto Roasted Onion gravy powder, black pepper and a few tspns of mustard and/or mint sauce. When brought to boil add a tblspn of Engevita B12 Savoury Yeast flakes and stir in.

Serve all together, arranged as you wish. Pour on hot gravy.

- (suggestion) Follow with vegan rice pudding made from coconut milk, soy milk (mix enough together to cover rice four times) short grain rice, sugar to taste, pinch of salt, hamdful sultanas, nutmeg, and teaspn or two of almond essence.

I have to research a nut roast for xmas as have never even matched that one of a friend who to date refuses to give me the recipe! (tastes like tasty faggots). Anyone know a good one?

rebelrecipes.com

Anna Jones

Hugh FW has a new book out too -'More Veg'.

+1 on the marmite, but watch the high salt. Yeast flakes have a comparatively negligible amount but good taste. I tend to use both mix n match and then forego adding salt.

I rarely add salt in cooking, other than when frying onions. Plenty of salt from other things.

I have to research a nut roast for xmas as have never even matched that one of a friend who to date refuses to give me the recipe! (tastes like tasty faggots). Anyone know a good one?

I think I've got one somewhere. I'll have a look. I tend to hand-write recipes and then commit them to OneNote once I'm broadly happy with it.

Bar the odd bacon sarnie or ham bap I'm all but veggie.Never really been into steak/lamb chops etc and chicken is just filler.Almost always choose the veggie option when eating out as it usually looks nicer anyway.Might just go the last bit....no great loss.

I bought an electric pressure cooker (instant pot) and although I'm no veggie I eat loads of beans, pearl barely, rice, oats, lentils etc now because it's so easy. It's also super healthy, tasty and cheap.

Sainsbury's do their own reduced salt yeast extract, I actually prefer the taste compared to the real McCoy Marmite, but then I'm relatively new to both in the last year or so despite Mrsgoat eating the stuff for years.

Not a veggie myself, Mrsgoat is though, i rarely eat meat except when out though.

Meridian also do a low salt marmite-type yeast extract that's very tasty in stews, soups etc

our current favourite veggie meal is roasted peppers and tomatoes layered between rounds of fried aubergine, with mozzarella and parmesan.

A nice dressing helps too, olive oil, red wine vinegar, garlic and whatever herbs tiy can get your hands on (basic, mint, thyme etc)

I've reduced the amount of meat I eat. My main motivation is animal welfare and respecting that an animal died to make the product. I buy high welfare meat (BTW the Red Tractor sticker is a con) and try to make it into a decent dish. My thoughts are if I'm going to buy meat I should put the money into the high welfare end of the market.
I don't eat the meat dishes at work as they've refused to tell me the provenance, other than it's "British". Plus the resulting dishes are generally not worth an animal dying for.

One thing that really annoys me now is separate "vege dishes" sections on menus. Good vege meals are as good as traditional non-vege meals, and they all should be just called "dishes".

Could probably go full vege, but not vegan because of cheese... although a lot of the nicest cheeses aren't even vege.

Edit: One thing I've found is lots of the the flavours that we associate with meat aren't from the meat at all, Sage is an example.

Eat lots of fake meat and meat flavour crisps, then watch the meateaters get confused and/or annoyed. Also be very patronising and evangelical about it. You'll get accused of doing that anyway by all and sundry so you might as well have some fun telling everyone else that you're better than them.

We eat a lot of non-meat foods and it's not that hard.
Risotto, curries, chillis, fritters, pies, bakes, it's not like the 70s anymore when vege food was holesum in a mostly lentil kind of way.
For recipes Ottolenghi is good, The Palomar also, Anjum Anand, Carluccio, Nigel Slater, there's a world of interesting meat-free food out there which doesn't require either hours of milking lentils or wearing strange organic footwear.

There are loads of ideas for good meals here.
https://veganuary.com

Some good stuff at www.bosh.tv as well. Since going from veggie to vegan I've really not missed the dairy, and have started dropping weight as well. Tbh, the dairy industry is just as bad, if not worse, than high welfare meat, so if you're doing it for ethical reasons it's something to think about.

For recipes Ottolenghi is good, The Palomar also, Anjum Anand, Carluccio, Nigel Slater, there's a world of interesting meat-free food out there which doesn't require either hours of milking lentils

Lentils are ace though.

https://www.thefullhelping.com/creamy-coconut-curried-green-lentils/

So is baked tofu in home-made teriyaki. Never say never!

Alright already! I got it the first time 😉
This is our nut roast recipe..

8oz mixed nuts, roughly chopped
3 tomatoes, chopped
1 onion, chopped
1 stickk celery, chopped
6oz bread crumbs
tspn mixed herbs
1/2 tspn chilli powder to taste
deseeded green chilli finely chopped
tspn pimento
6 mushrooms roughly chopped
1.5oz butter
2 eggs

Greased tin for cooking
Oven Gas Mk7

Melt butter & saute onions & celery
Add chopped nuts leave for a minute then add everything else except eggs
Mix thoroughly still on heat for a couple of minutes
Take off heat, add beaten eggs and mix well
Spoon into greased tin & cook for 50-60 minutes until browned on top and mixture has "set"

Serve in slices, works really well with horseradish!

Steam some mixed frozen veg, put in a dish with a can of cream of mushroom soup, top it off with some pre-made pastry, bake in the oven and heh-presto a vegetable pie 🙂

I think veggies need to be better cooks. A bowl of plain beans isn't very nice, wheres a chunk of plain meat can be delicious.

My tip (as a non-veggie) would be spices, beans and pulses. Bag of Spice Tailor with lentils for a superb dahl.

Curries are your friend here. We stopped eating meat a couple of months ago and we've found it pretty easy, probably because my OH does all the cooking and he's enjoying cooking different stuff. Lentils are good as well, they add texture and flavour to stuff like chili and bolognese-type stuff. Oh, and there's nothing a fried egg can't improve- oven chips covered in leftover bean chili with an egg on top can be ready in 10 minutes if you grill the chips and is brill for chucking at your face after a ride, add a buttered slice and a cup of tea and collapse on the sofa afterwards 😀

I've found that faux meat just makes me miss meat though, I'd rather have a bean burger than a Quorn burger for example.

Oh, get into making paneer as well, it's dead easy and can be sliced and fried (burgers!) or chopped and curried or breadcrumbed like nuggets.

To give texture to chilis and bolognese type things we use either bulgar wheat, ebly, quinoa or cracked wheat. They soak up the gravy and give a nice added texture to the dish.

I forgot to add, if you're going to buy veggie sausages and burgers and stuff, check the ingredients for palm oil- don't be buying anything with that shit in it. Just cos stuff's meat-free it doesn't necessarily mean it's ethical!

I was veggie for over 10 years and just grew tired of it. Eating out mostly seemed to be restricted to purely veggie places where everything was the same or being limited to mushroom stroganoff everywhere.

Don't eat a lot of red meat especially even now and to be honest, I'd be quite happy to substitute some stuff for quorn versions - stuff like sausages when cooked in sauces etc are spot on. Quorn equivalents of sliced chicken etc for your sarnies, less so (may as well put a slice of A4 paper between two pieces of bread).

remember to take supplements for the nutrients you loose by not eating meat.

What would those be Poah?

[quote=bob_summers ]What would those be Poah?

You should see what he writes on the vegan threads not much point in engaging with him IME

It's surprised me the amount of replies and excellent links etc on this thread. It's opened my eyes to how much is out there! Thanks guys.

I found ottolenghi food to be bland and rich.

His shakshouka recipe in Plenty is excellent, though...

While I'm not a vegetarian, I do eat a fair amount of vege food and a couple of recipe books I use a lot:

Hugh F-W: Veg everyday. Already recommended above, definitely get this book. Great for easy recipes you can indeed cook everyday.

Others have mentioned Indian food, here's a book I use that has some good stuff in it:
India's Vegetarian Cooking - Monisha Bharadwaj ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/Indias-Vegetarian-Cooking-Monisha-Bharadwaj/dp/185626792X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1513277682&sr=8-1&keywords=indias+vegetarian+cooking)

These are very [url= https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/273128190 ]tasty[/url] - would fool most carnivores.

bob_summers - Member
What would those be Poah?
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Vit b12, vit D, DHA while calcium, zinc, iron, and iodine are also advised. The NHS website has advice for those on a vegan or vegitarian diet.

One thing that really annoys me now is separate "vege dishes" sections on menus. Good vege meals are as good as traditional non-vege meals, and they all should be just called "dishes".

It's an improvement on a menu having 57 slightly different variations on chicken and then a "vegetarian option." If it's one dish that's not a ****ing option now, is it.

And TBH, I don't really mind having them separate as it saves me having to hunt through the rest of the menu. Except in a lot of cases they'll offer veggie options on main courses (eg, veggie sausages in bangers & mash) and don't list that in the vegetarian section. Now that's irritating.

The NHS website has advice for those on a vegan or vegitarian diet.

remember to take supplements for the nutrients you loose by not eating meat

Actually, it covers supplements.
https://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegetarianhealthqanda.aspx#supplements

For some people, taking supplements is preferable to killing and eating animals, so..

With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegetarian and vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs to be healthy without the need for supplements.

remember to take supplements for the nutrients you loose by not eating meat

It then explains how you can get the nutrients you need to stay alive
Anyone can eat poorly , meat eater ,veggie, vegan and miss out on stuff but its a result of a poor diet not an inherent factor of that dietary type

Absolutely JY, I'd argue that the nutrients your average veggie gets are far in advance of your average British meat and two vegger.

What diet advice for feeding trolls?

This is apparently a No1 best seller
https://www.thugkitchen.com/cookbooks

skolt - agreed. I included them in my sunday roast dinner menu above. Try them with the smoked paprika sprinkle, and leave in the oven another five minutes longer, it's a winner! (Goes to stock up on offer)

Have tried to make my own veggi burgers but those are the bombiggety so no longer bother. Need to work on the nutburgers next.

Sorry, seems my troll radar needs new batteries 😳

Since she came to live with me, my g/f has got me eating more meat than I used to, because she’s a damn good cook, who grew up in pubs that her parents ran, and they always had good food on offer, so she spent a lot of time in the kitchens with her mum and other chefs.
Having said that she’s got me eating a lot more veg as well, my diet has improved beyond all recognition!

Have tried to make my own veggi burgers

These are good,

http://minimalistbaker.com/easy-grillable-veggie-burgers/

though I use kidney beans rather than black beans.

A relatively unhealthy but tasty meat-less/dairy-free comfort food option wot I just invented last night. :

Take a handful of this: [img] [/img]

Follow instructions (fry in oil in pan) yet with some thinly sliced onion
After 7 mins add a little water (as per cooking instructions) but also a half-teaspoon of Bisto roast onion gravy powder, and a little english mustard. Break a couple of streaky-bacon rasher corn snacks (like Frazzles) into the mix. (Crackling, innit?)

Dollop the hot mess into a split crusty cob or sandwich bun. Top with apple-sauce or cranberry sauce and/or sage and onion stuffing.

It's good. Very good.

A relatively unhealthy but tasty meat-less/dairy-free comfort food option wot I just invented last night. :

Take a handful of this:

Follow instructions (fry in oil in pan) yet with some thinly sliced onion
After 7 mins add a little water (as per cooking instructions) but also a half-teaspoon of Bisto roast onion gravy powder, and a little english mustard. Break a couple of streaky-bacon rasher corn snacks (like Frazzles) into the mix. (Crackling, innit?)

Dollop the hot mess into a split crusty cob or sandwich bun. Top with apple-sauce or cranberry sauce and/or sage and onion stuffing.

It's good. Very good.

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