[Closed] Speed awareness course

Karin: I'm a flagpole painter. I paint flagpoles.

(I had some notice that time) 8)

LOL

I didn't go home and find any tables to support/undermine his figures.

Sadly that's exactly the kind of thing lonely internet geeks like me enjoy doing 😀

Looking at the 2003 report, they didn't give such a full Contributory Factors breakdown back then, but it does state:

Excessive speed was the most frequently cited contributory factor to fatal accidents, recorded in 28 per cent of such accidents between 1999 and 2002. This compares with 18 per cent of severe accidents and 11 per cent of slight accidents.

So it still accounts for 11% even if you only look at the minors.

Of course these are "reported accidents", most "scratched paint" accidents aren't likely to be reported, so wouldn't be covered by these figures. It may well be that 95% of ALL accidents, including the non-serious unreported ones, occur in those conditions.

But you can't really use the number of scratched-paint accidents where no one was speeding to support your statement that "THUS SPEED DOES NOT KILL".

GrahamS, stop using cold hard logic and reasoning will you FFS!! I'm seeing far too much sense in your posts. We are discussing the right to speed - and didn't you know it's stupid drivers that kill, not speed (let's forget that one of the things that stupid drivers do a lot of the time is break the speed limit....).

are the 'safety measures' (speed cameras etc etc etc) actually working? or are the stats used as propaganda to push certain agendas?

Hard to say. The number of killed or seriously injured casualties has fallen every year.

1994-98 average: 47,656
2003: 37,215
2006: 31,845
2007: 30,720
2008: 28,572

This could be due to speed awareness, drink drive campaigns, better safety features in cars, better road design, less pedestrians and cyclists or many other factors.

Some safety measures are clearly working, but it is very hard to pick out the effect of individual measures.

GrahamS, stop using cold hard logic and reasoning will you FFS!!

Apologies, I realise it's not the STW way 😀

I did one in Preston last year, I walked in with a right attitude, but walked away happy I had learnt something

My wife driving home last week from work when she stopped to help a group of people carrying out CPR on a woman. They were wasting their time really as the car that had knocked her over had already killed her....

Grow up people.

From what I've seen they only help for people who are a bit thick or arrogant and don't understand why speed is dangerous. But it's better than three points and I guess some people go away educated. The rest will carry on as they are but as I say, thick and arrogant.

From the original post

"Shall i just have three points instead?"

Ti29er

I'm taking the course, it seems the opinion is that i might learn something 😉