[Closed] Somebody stop me, I'm thinking of voting Green in the council elections

I voted Green in my last council elections too. The local councillors are the only ones who actually seem to engage with people and listen to them. I don't agree with all their policies but they are the only real alternative at the moment to the neo-liberalism/Thatcherism espoused by all the other parties.

I voted green in the last election as well, only one I saw that seemed vaguely human

I think green is the only realistic option for me too. Would usually vote liberal but they've proved to be a complete irrelevance. Green on the other hand have been doing pretty well in Brighton and Hove and I certainly think their policies are far more just and ethical than anyone else.

Green or UKIP seems and odd option as they seem to be polar opposites on many points

UKIP are complete climate sceptics, and seem to hate cyclists wanting us taxed and to walk around roundabout to not impede traffic, very different on defence too

[edit]I'm thinking green too, if I have a green option. bit pointless really though as I'm in a massive conservative strong hold afaik[/edit]

The Green party almost certainly will not win the seat but the more votes they receive, the more this should influence the policies of the party that does, or so the theory goes.

Just vote for the politician you would ideally like to represent you

It's a sensible vote IMHO. If they don't win then any votes they get shows the other candidates that they need to consider green issues to stay elected and they do win they will only get a seat or two so be a good extra voice in any debates. As above, I don't agree with all their policies but I think voting for them sends a message.

Would usually vote liberal but they've proved to be a complete irrelevance.

Well it's easy for the Greens to look relevant when they have no power.

friend of mine as a bit bored, stood for council as Green Party, and won by mistake*

*as in they didn't really want to win, not that it was a counting mistake

If you want to see a one policy party in action look no further than Brighton ...
And a right royal clusterf*** it is.
Pro travellers, pro save the planet, anti just about everything else ...
Oh, and pro heorin shooting galleries

Their transport policuy is a nightmare - huge parking charges, a 20 MPH speed limit through the town, that cannot be policed as cameras can't measure ( and cyclist break it all the time). Buses - effing hundreds of buses that clog every arterial road - and who's price keep on rising at 15% per 6 months ...
Even the Greens had to accept that the parking cahrges were out of order. they were reduced last month as people were avoiding the town.

Vote green if you wish - but the seriously lack any political depth or understanding of the real world

There you go with your crazy left-of-centre views again.

Yes Brighton is a living nightmare, that will be why people are leaving in droves and it's becoming a ghost-town.

I'd already decided that the Green Party are the only ones who are making any sense. They seem to be saying a lot of what the Labour party should be saying if they hadn't become a low calorie version of the Tories.

I'm definitely voting for them! Except... there are no Green candidates standing up here. Just UKIP. So the choice is Tory, Torier and Toriest. Great! 👿

mrmoofo

Sounds like many reasons I [b]would[/b] vote green. 😀

bit pointless really though as I'm in a massive conservative strong hold afaik

No, it's got every point. You have to vote how you really feel otherwise the system is totally broken.

Having said that, I would vote Plaid here rather than Green because they are similarly leftie but are stronger. If I weren't in Wales I'd vote Green I'm sure.

I've not found Brighton & Hove to be any worse under the Greens than any of the previous incumbents, tbh, they all seem to make apparently daft policy decisions just to be seen to be doing something different to whoever they replaced - having seen all the problems with the existing policy but none of the problems with what they propose to replace it with.

Now if just one of them would make a sensible suggestion for replacing that cockroach infested hole that is the King Alfred so I didn't have to take my kids to Burgess Hill or Crawley to go swimming they might be onto a winner.

There you go with your crazy left-of-centre views again.

Yes Brighton is a living nightmare, that will be why people are leaving in droves and it's becoming a ghost-town.

So how are those views right of cente, Mr AP?

Funny that people are leaving Brighton in droves, can you quote sources? - as the opposite seems to be the case (depite what Ron Liddle said). House price crash - what house price crash ...?
It is very difficult to rent in brighton ( and the prices are high) becaus eof supply and demand ...

Well they are attacking plans to expand our local airport which would bring jobs to those losing theirs as the Nuclear Power station closes. That's the trouble with these fringe organisations they always attract the 'nutter' element, I also vehemently agree with UKIP on the getting us out of Europe, but can't stand the damn racist element they also attract.
I also used to vote liberal, well SDP actually, but never again, I can't abide Clegg nor a lot of career politicians they seem to attract.
Not that much sensible choice really is there, they are on a reduce the wages of snr council management ticket which I also agree with, I can't stand that the front line services are being cut yet upper managerial wages are way above private sector levels for equivalent jobs.

Except... there are no Green candidates standing up here

Do your bit binners - join up and stand for election.

Buses - effing hudreds of buses that clog every arterial road

Isn't Brighton now populated entirely by Nathan Barleys, who've migrated from Hoxton? And julie burchill

Do your bit binners - join up and stand for election.

That's the trouble with these fringe organisations they always attract the 'nutter' element

Hmmmmmmmmmmm..... It sounds like it could be my perfect next move. VOTE FOR ME!!!! 😀

[i]Yes Brighton is a living nightmare, that will be why people are leaving in droves and it's becoming a ghost-town. [/i]

I suspect that you need your irony detector functionign when reading this sentence.

Getting out of Europe is a daft idea, IMHO ... europe has to have the whole relationship reviewed, mind. A federal europe will not work and unfortunately the euro probably cannot work without political union.

If we get out of Europe, who do you think is going to buy our "stuff"?

UKIP - boy, that is tough choice. Another one policy party, with closet rascists and holocaust deniers in it's ranks. All about making Britian as it was with the Empire and in the '60s. Sounds like BNP lite to me ....

If we get out of Europe, who do you think is going to buy our "stuff"?

At a guess, Europe. Business is business. Norway and Switzerland seem to get by.

Don't vote. It only encourages them.

There you go with your crazy left-of-centre views again.

So how are those views right of cente, Mr AP?

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@Molgrips agreed, I too think every should vote for who they want and vote tacticly.

Too often I've seen leaflets with "vote for us they're a wasted vote"

The political landscape might be different if everybody who wanted to vote did and voted for who they really wanted to vote for.

not that there's any one party which I think is a perfect fit for most people

Isn't Brighton now populated entirely by Nathan Barleys, who've migrated from Hoxton? And julie burchill

You've lost me there. 50+ seats on a bus. How would you move that many people without clogging up the roads ?

TBH, not really into bus spotting / transport dynamics, so please feel free to come and visit

At a guess, Europe. Business is business. Norway and Switzerland seem to get by.

Norway - don't know much about it, other than it is very expensive / high tax and few people. maybe that is all related

So, in theory, all we'd need to do to become a successful independent state within Europe is find an ally who's about to murder a large, rich ethnic group by the million, and offer to provide them with financial services?

Actually.... most British banks would have absolutely no issue with that

So, in theory, all we'd need to do to become a successful independent state within Europe is find an ally who's about to murder a large, rich ethnic group by the million, and offer to provide them with financial services?

Actually.... most British banks would have absolutely no issue with that

Good point ... made well 😀

Norway - don't know much about it, other than it is very expensive / high tax and few people. maybe that is all related

Norway have few people, and shedloads of oil being extracted by the state I think.. yes?

Don't assume that because something works for one country it'll work for another. Many countries have hugely different economic profiles.

The political landscape might be different if everybody who wanted to vote did and voted for who they really wanted to vote for.

http://www.votematch.org.uk/

You've lost me there. 50+ seats on a bus. How would you move that many people without clogging up the roads ?

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I've moved to Brighton over a year ago, and its made my mind up that i'm voting Green.

fwiw, its got the highest use of public transport per head outside London, and they are actually putting in some decent bicycle lanes too.

They're quite right to discourage car use given its an old densely populated city imo. Its not Milton Keynes.

You're not forced to use the busses, and if you need to drive the roads will be quieter than if they weren't there.

The Argus, like many local papers, seems very similar to the Daily Mail in its criticism of almost everything seen as "left" or "liberal" though.

HH - ironically, i moved to BTN, from MK, via Zurich.

In Brighton, I never use a car. In fact, we will probably get rid of it, even though I have a valued posession in Brighton, car parking and a garage!

I don't doubt buses work but the infrastuture in Brighton seems to have a problem with the amount that descend on the North St / East Street area. Look up to the clocktower and it can be red as far as the eye can see - and with little movement.
Brighton streets are not wide enough to have bus lanes everywhere, so you change one traffic snarl up for another one. It also doesn't help that a number of skateborders see every down hill stretch as being fair game - even if its a main road.

Ah, the Argus. A 14 years olds school paper. Rubbish articles, badly written. And it would make the DM blush ( though, I wouldn't know 8)

Don't assume that because something works for one country it'll work for another. Many countries have hugely different economic profiles.

Indeed not. The rest of Europe would probably be even keener to keep trading with us than they are with Norway and Switzerland. The argument is after all about trade relations with Europe and I'm really not sure of the relevance of Switzerland having banks and Norway having oil to whether the EU wants to trade with them.

Norway have few people, and shedloads of oil being extracted by the state I think.. yes?

Not really no. We had way more oil and gas than Norway did but they built up a sovereign wealth fund whereas we pissed it away in the 80s. The states stakeholding in oil companies isn't really relevant either. The Tax the UK government gets on PRT liable fields in the UK is currently 81% and for non PRT liable ones is 62% so the UK gets the lions share of wealth even though it doesn't operate the fields. N.B the UK government still owns the oil in the ground.

mrmoofo - Member
Getting out of Europe is a daft idea, IMHO ... europe has to have the whole relationship reviewed, mind. A federal europe will not work and unfortunately the euro probably cannot work without political union.

If we get out of Europe, who do you think is going to buy our "stuff"?

UKIP - boy, that is tough choice. Another one policy party, with closet rascists and holocaust deniers in it's ranks. All about making Britian as it was with the Empire and in the '60s. Sounds like BNP lite to me ....

Agreed that Europe needs the relationship reviewed.

Don't agree that we need to stay in for that to happen, nor that it would be a problem for export sales if we left, it would just be a question of negotiating trade agreements, better in a way than the current illusion that there are no trade barriers between us, and if you don't believe they still exist just try setting up an ebay method of selling to Germany.

As to UKIP and closet every kind of human failing, do you mean to suggest that other parties don't have them in equal measure? I seem to remember one being lead by a war criminal, don't fall for that sort of tory/labour propaganda.

As to UKIP and closet every kind of human failing

Their xenophobia is barely closeted TBH.

I suspect that you need your irony detector functionign when reading this sentence.

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As to UKIP and closet every kind of human failing, do you mean to suggest that other parties don't have them in equal measure? I seem to remember one being lead by a war criminal, don't fall for that sort of tory/labour propaganda.

Quite right, instead read the UKIP manifesto. Although the end effect may not be too dissimilar.

read the UKIP manifesto

Nearly a quarter of all European
nationals living in the UK are not
working…551,000 out of 2.3 million
are economically inactive and 146,000
have never worked in this country. The
figure of those who
have never worked has risen by 30%
since 2008”

I assume they are trying to trick us into thinking the phrase economically inactive means unemployed when in reality my 7 year old and retired mother are economically inactive. What % of UK nationals work in Spain or cyprus or France etc. He then quotes the Daily mail .I stopped reading at this point and had made Page 2

UKIP is a red herring, I'm not actually considering them if only to negate Mrs Goodman and all her girlfriends who are all voting UKIP on the immigration ticket, again not something I feel sufficiently strongly about, it's not the immigrants that are to blame it is our own internal benefits and legal aid system, again it's a red herring, the debate here is how good or potentially dangerous to society are the Greens.

I'd like to see more Green Investment, renewable energy via tide, solar, better organised electric vehicles with oil companies persuaded to offer battery rental and standardisation of batteries across all vehicles as an example.

I believe Water, Power is a fundamental human right and not for profit and certainly not for the profit of Foreign owned organisations that might in their own way be xenophobic, I work with the French and they definitely do not like us as a nation, at a personal level relations are fine, but nationally they are far from it.

Sorry I'm rambling, don't want to rant, but don't want to be wasting my time voting for nutters either..

So, it's either them or UKIP, can't bring myself to vote for the other three, what would you do?

Just to say, there are Green candidates in places other than Brighton. Some of them have been around for quite a while and have been doing some real good.

it's not the immigrants that are to blame it is our own internal benefits and legal aid system

To blame for what?

grum - Member
it's not the immigrants that are to blame it is our own internal benefits and legal aid system
To blame for what?

Encouraging our potentially lower paid workforce to do nothing thereby creating a labour market for overseas economic migrants, that and a legal workforce on an Industrial scale funded by the taxpayer on both sides of the 'asylum' fence created by the wife of the last encumbant in No 10 who is also a lawyer and works for...

Only have the choice of;

Labour – wasted £ millions when times were financially good
Conservative – making sure the poor pay for the mistakes of Labour
Lib Dem – use to be a real option before Clegg sold his sole for 15 mins of fame

So that leave UKIP

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As I don't have a Green Party option it’s another police commissioner vote for me

"None of the above Thank You"

Encouraging our potentially lower paid workforce to do nothing

The vast majority of benefits go to pensioners and those in work, so this is a massive red herring.

On your second point, I'm not really sure what you're saying - do you really believe asylum seekers and legal fees relating to them are a significant problem/issue in this country?

Just to say, there are Green candidates in places other than Brighton. Some of them have been around for quite a while and have been doing some real good.

Yeah, but we are lucky enough to have a Green MP , as well ...

Encouraging our potentially lower paid workforce to do nothing thereby creating a labour market for overseas economic migrants, that and a legal workforce on an Industrial scale funded by the taxpayer on both sides of the 'asylum' fence created by the wife of the last encumbant in No 10 who is also a lawyer and works for...

???

By 'encouragement' do you mean the £56.80 JSA per week for under 25s and £71.71 for over 25s? I see what you mean, what the hell am I doing working when I can live the life of Reilly on £72 a week?

I'm not going to be trolled into a discussion with the big hitting left about the idol work shy, simply put if there were no vacancies, why are there so many foreign workers present here? If you want a discussion about the benefit system and immigrants being bought cars to save the cost of taxi fares in their search for 'work' then start a thread about it., This one is about Greens, and I doubt they will be calling for greater cuts to the state unemployment benefit, so voting for them will not be against the interest of the left leaning lycra brigade will it?

Oh and I don't live in Brighton either, no idea where I gave that impression.

Edit: and yes I do believe that New Labour politicians in signing up to the various human rights charters knew exactly what they were doing and how it would benefit the legal industry, even now, the cost of the Abu Quatada fiasco, born on both sides by us the taxpayer as both highly paid sets of lawyers on the one hand the Government on the other funded by legal aid, battle it out, millions have been spent on legal aid in pursuit of asylum claims..

immigrants being bought cars to save the cost of taxi fares

Sounds like classic made-up bullshit to me. Any evidence this actually happens?

grum - Member
immigrants being bought cars to save the cost of taxi fares
Sounds like classic made-up bullshit to me. Any evidence this actually happens?

Start a thread on the subject and I will give you chapter and verse what goes on here locally to assist immigrants, if you wish, how they are bought cars, how they are head of the queue for local housing, how entire streets are now populated with rents paid for families of Roma Gypsies, how a genuine au pair who worked for Mrs Goodman identified criminal gypsies and detailed what happens the other end in this case in Slovakia. Our FD's wife is a local social worker and deals with it every day, but it's another tale in another thread, if you really want to open that debate and further fuel UKIP's case, personally I'd rather stick to green issues.

[i]even now, the cost of the Abu Quatada fiasco[/i]

You do know that the human rights legislation being argued about is UK not European law about deporting people to a place where they may not receive a fair trial?

If Teresa May/etc doesn't like it she can change the law, or has now happened just make sure that that the trial he eventually has does not use evidence obtained under torture. Would have been easier to do the latter properly to start with and then he'd have been gone years ago.

mrmoofooo - hah you don't remember Brighton in the good old days before it became posh and full of rich ex-london types.

The Brighton that protested about the draconian car towing company (for illegal parking) via swift & personal methods 😈
But then that's why the Brightonians can't afford to live in Brighton now.

The 20mph limit might be facing a legal challenge via the taxi co's. However, I have no issue with driving there but only because Mrs D has free office parking in the centre.

The other issues you mention were all prevalent long before the Greens got in.

Brighton in reality (as a true Brightonian) seems much the same under the Greens, apart from the 20mph limit.

TBH I think it's a vote well made, if only because I have no faith whatsoever in any of the 'major' parties anymore and I believe green issues are not viewed with the seriousness they deserve.

And a vote is still a vote, even if you consider it a protest one.

Start a thread on the subject and I will give you chapter and verse what goes on here locally to assist immigrants, if you wish, how they are bought cars, how they are head of the queue for local housing, how entire streets are now populated with rents paid for families of Roma Gypsies, how a genuine au pair who worked for Mrs Goodman identified criminal gypsies and detailed what happens the other end in this case in Slovakia.

I asked for actual evidence, not 'I heard this down the pub right.......'

Propagating xenophobic myths makes you either a xenophobe, an idiot, or both.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission has reported on the issue of council housing and immigrants. Its findings were absolutely conclusive:
[b]no bias in allocation of social housing[/b]
[b]no evidence to support the perception that new migrants are getting priority over UK born residents[/b]
[b]Nor was there any evidence of abuse of the system, including 'queue jumping' or providing false information.
less than two per cent of all social housing residents are people who have moved to Britain in the last five years
nine out of ten people who live in social housing were born in the UK[/b]

And again - evidence people get free cars please? Why would the government do this? I can't even find a woefully slanted Daily Mail article suggesting this - why don't you get onto them and see if they'd like to write one?

You can't keep saying 'oh that's for another thread' then coming out with more bigoted nonsense and expecting it not to get challenged. Of course soon you will mention 'PC gone mad', because that's usually the line people take when asked for actual evidence to back up their prejudices.

yes I do believe that New Labour politicians in signing up to the various human rights charters knew exactly what they were doing and how it would benefit the legal industry, even now, the cost of the Abu Quatada fiasco, born on both sides by us the taxpayer as both highly paid sets of lawyers on the one hand the Government on the other funded by legal aid, battle it out, millions have been spent on legal aid in pursuit of asylum claims..

I get concerned when people bring up a few cases to highlight "how bad" those human rights laws are...they mainly argue about the cost of it of course, which points out where their motives are.

Our FD's wife is a local social worker and deals with it every day

Mrs Daz works in the social care sector and she says the opposite. That immigrants get virtually no benefits, no help with housing or transport, and are pretty much left to fend for themselves, and that but for the action of a few charities, they'd all be on the streets begging. So who's right?

Is it possible that that these 'immigrants' you've been told about are actually UK citizens who happen not to have white skin (what's an FD by the way?) but are perfectly entitled to the help that's available to everyone else?

grum - Member

I asked for actual evidence, not 'I heard this down the pub right.......'

I think you're mistaking me for someone who actually cares one way or the other, I can give you her name, her job title, she told me, her entire department isn't happy about it, but what would that achieve? You would only ask to see the receipt and their individual details and history. I believe her, which is enough for me, but still not enough for me to vote UKIP over the Greens, there are always bad unfair things going on, frankly I'm more annoyed at the culture of overpaying at the top of the tree than buying a few slovaks a car in order to assist in their job search if indeed it saves the money that was being paid to a Taxi company.

Neither do I think 'human rights laws' are a bad thing, I do however object to Politicians feathering their own legal nests in high cost adversarial resolutions.

Immigration is an economic necessity.

grum + 1
benefit fraud accounts for 0.7 of the budget. Over 66% of the budget goes on OAPS.
So all these report have 1 objective i.e. dismantling the welfare state for purely ideaoligical reasons because some numpties have been brainwashed into believing the USA is a wonderful example of a modern society.
The recent disability changes to remove the financial aid for the severely disabled to live by themselves, impacting 20,000 people, will save less than £.5 billion. Their additional social costs will then have to be borne by local councils or the NHS. So no real saving at all.
The changes to make 'tax fairer to the super-rich' will cost over £1 billion.
So the weakest in society are being hit so the strongest/wealthiest in society can benefit.

So, in theory, all we'd need to do to become a successful independent state within Europe is find an ally who's about to murder a large, rich ethnic group by the million, and offer to provide them with financial services?

Whitegoodman you appear to have forgotten that "anecdote" is not the singular of "data". 0/10 must try harder.
Likewise "hearsay" is not "evidence". 0/10 stay behind after for extra work.

A simple examination of the rules for social housing allocation would de-bunk the "departments" views. What is their agenda?

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Abso-bloomin-lutely.

As an aside, questionnaire seen from cycling group in Cambridge: [url= http://t.co/GH62mOqp28 ]Cambridge cycle survey answers[/url]

Yet another reason not to vote for [s]BNP-lite[/s] UKIP.

Other than "by default" it's odd to be left with the Greens and UKIP combo.

But where's the problem? It's a positive vote and much better than drawing a penis on the ballot paper, or whatever spoilers do. Okay, the result is the same but a more grown up approach. Go for it!

One thing the OP can be 100% confident in - the fact at some point he'll deeply regret having voted for whoever he votes for!

DaRC_L - Member
The changes to make 'tax fairer to the super-rich' will cost over £1 billion.

What changes are those?

Sandwich - Member
Whitegoodman you appear to have forgotten that "anecdote" is not the singular of "data". 0/10 must try harder.
Likewise "hearsay" is not "evidence". 0/10 stay behind after for extra work.

A simple examination of the rules for social housing allocation would de-bunk the "departments" views. What is their agenda?

Am I asking you to believe? No
Am I asking you to vote for me? No
Am I asking you to vote with me? No
Am I asking you for your opinion as to wether or not it would be abad thing to vote green? Yes

So it's a simple choice, Green or UKIP and so far Green is ahead.

Going back to the evidence supplied by whoever it was back there, I think the benefits and housing that normal legal migrants are entitled to must vary from that which is used to cope with illegal migrants, you have to consider that in this part of the world we have the Channel Tunnel and the Channel Ports that during the height of the rush to repopulate South Kent hordes of them came through, daily. We live here, we see them getting out of the back of trucks, stood by the side of the railways cuttings next to the Tunnel, you, nor anyone else has the remotest idea just how many come through, so there is no credible evidence. Different departments deal with different issues and they all have different needs, not least the NHS which is invariably the first port of call.

Their transport policuy is a nightmare - huge parking charges, a 20 MPH speed limit through the town

Sounds great!

South Kent hordes of them came through, daily

Sounds bad. If I were you I'd be fearing for your job and locking up your women-folk. Seriously though, you might want to consider that 'them' are fellow human beings who most likely have left their homeland to escape some sort of horrific-ness that you or me couldn't imagine, or who have been scammed into it by criminals in their own countries. So before you cast yourself as the victim, just try to imagine what they have been through while you sit on your veranda and observe these sub-humans bringing the neighbourhood down.

Also, illegal immigrants don't get any benefits, because they're, err.... illegal.

Yes they are human beings - of a sort, unfortunately the sort that kill and eat anything they feel like, steal anything that ain't nailed down and even that doesn't necessarily stop them, which winds up the locals. As I said before I don't care, eventually they get looked after, put pressure on the local social service resources which they'd have you believe were already stretched to breaking point.

I'm not victimised by them to any great extent, sub humans? Sub humans ride single speed, wear lycra, ride road bikes, play golf, work in banks, are lawyers, politicians or policemen.

We each have our own value sets and judgements far be it from me to criticise anyone for wanting more in life, it's one planet, I didn't ask for national borders and boundaries or areas of extreme wealth and poverty, I'd just like to vote for folk who aren't going to continue to **** it up for the next generation, hence the extreme likelihood of voting green, since nothing anyone has managed to say has convinced me otherwise.

Whitegoodman, you have a funny mix of views there. I'm still trying to figure out how you can agree with both UKIP and Green to the point where you'd vote for either seeing as the policies of the two parties are pretty much diametrically opposed to each other.

Anyway, vote green. I have for a while now. Yes it may not be as effective in the short run and may feel like a wasted vote, but I actually think it's the opposite. Surely a wasted vote is the one you cast where you don't agree with the policies of the party you're voting for?

I agree with UKIP only on the withdrawal from Europe, I don't agree with the rest of their scaremongering tactics, the Greens are unlikely to consider withdrawing from the Eu.

I view them both as a protest vote, to demonstrate just how far from being in touch with most of us the main political parties currently are.

It is a crying shame that we are so disenfranchised that fringe parties are now seriously considered worthy of our vote, had the lib deems not worked hard on their postal vote, Eastleigh could well have fallen to UKIP.

There is neither a credible force on either right or left, in all seriousness it is a bit of a disaster for democracy as things currently stand.

Either way, Green looks to have a very good chance in our region, there are green posters everywhere.

I agree with UKIP only on the withdrawal from Europe

Not going to happen - we're on the same tectonic plate.

grum - Member

I voted Green in my last council elections too. The local councillors are the only ones who actually seem to engage with people and listen to them. I don't agree with all their policies but they are the only real alternative at the moment to the neo-liberalism/Thatcherism espoused by all the other parties.

Exactly the same for me.

I would probably vote Plaid Cymru if I lived in Wales.

Kona TC - Member

Conservative – making sure the poor pay for the mistakes of Labour

Nothing to do with the mistakes of bankers then ?

I suppose it was also the last Labour government which screwed up the European and US economies ?

i don't buy into the thinking of voting tactically if im honest. its how successive governments have managed to get into power in the past, look how well that turned out 🙄
you should vote for who you want or "none of the above"

After all that, I'm not going to be here on voting day after all, and bloody Mrs Goodman has decided to vote UKIP for me by proxy as punishment for going away without her. 😕