then working for the BBC is perhaps only really open to those who can afford it in terms of a reduced salary compared to a private company.
I guess that all the people who live near me are just doing it for fun? Do you mean the talent budget here or regular employees? How do the production job rates compare to say sky?
I guess that all the people who live near me are just doing it for fun? Do you mean the talent budget here or regular employees? How do the production job rates compare to say sky?
Oh, Regular employees ... (though I guess the talent budget as well but that's different IMHO)
I'd hope Sky pay more... not being funded by me... but I was thinking that many of the jobs are not specific to TV/Radio anyway... surely the BBC has it's quota of Financial Assistants, procurement and such?
I was actually thinking of one of my sons friends we were discussing the other week, his Dad owns a fairly successful business (estate agents) and his Mum works part time for the WWF.... (came up due to choice of holiday destination) ...
TBH it applies to us as well in a way... OH is a qualified teacher but working as a SEND TA (or being paid as, as she's qualified she also gets asked to teach but doesn't get paid extra) because we can afford her not to go back to waitressing where just her tips were more than she earns. In fact she actually earns less in her current job than when she was working in a private pre-school.
It doesn't impact our ability to eat ... just we do a 1 week package to Mallorca not 3 weeks in wherever exotic place his friend was going.
So you know the BBC salary scale then? Are all the jobs just done by people who don't need to worry about it? Is that like teachers?
https://careerssearch.bbc.co.uk/
No salary listed there but seems to be busy whenever I go past up here, maybe getting them out of central london is a good move to avoid the London tax
I'm still really not sure what your posts are going on about though....
Edit and a pay scale to go with it!!
Seems like decent money, good pension, 35hr working week 25 days holiday and option to buy 5 more. Decent in the current climate
Graduate schemes at Nestle already ask you these sort of questions.......
Being privately schooled is a good indicator of comfortable middle-classness. If the Beeb wants more diversity they could cap the proportion of privately schooled and / or Russell group graduates.
Agree with the above.
they could cap the proportion of privately schooled and / or Russell group graduates.
How many do they employ? What if you are state educated & Russell group educated?
Class is easy if you're in the BBC.
Untouchable Paedophile.
Lying git.
Subhuman.
I'm sure there's a few more.
@eipcyclo don't be a ****
Get on the tram at media city about 6pm and shout that out and see how many human beings look at you.
P-Jay : are you sure your "underclass" isn't a social construct from your working class (or the Elite controlled media which influences them) to make your working class feel better about not being the bottom of the pile? I wonder where organised criminals fit into your pigeon holes too. Are they effectively Elite as they don't actually work but control the others under them? or are they part of the Underclass?
Mark Thomas's definition: "If someone says ma na ma na and you go ba ba bada ba, you're middle class"
What would Mr Chumley-Warner add to the discourse?
mikewsmith
@eipcyclo don’t be a *
Get on the tram at media city about 6pm and shout that out and see how many human beings look at you.
A few more Bundies and I'll be good to go. 🙂
But, yes, being a **, sorry,
I have a friend who is staunch in her view that she is working class because she comes from a working class area of Newcastle. She does have a bit of an accent, but then she’s a doctor and gets paid enough so lives well, quaffs Prosecco and drives a convertible bimmer (not at the same time). I think she’s middle class. Discuss.
Discuss? It highlights its more than a one word answer. She would however fit into the protest too much mode class group.
In terms of mobility its a positive that our doctors are not all kids of doctors etc.
Listening on Radio 4 last night when this was discussed. Some professor was waffling on about how class was made up of a number of items including one she called opportunity! After the piece I was none the wiser. I was further confused that she classed herself as working class, even though she was a professor. She implied that class is what you think you are.
However regardless of this, how can the Beeb (and it is not their idea - it comes from Corbyn) measure class. They will have to ask each employee and applicant a number of questions - none of which are related to their ability to do the job. Can you decline to answer? And why the Beeb. The Civil Service is far larger and is directly managed by Government - will they start there? Will the education sector be asked for their figures? Will private companies be asked for this information as well? (Note for some US Government contracts you have to put down gender ratio's, the number of Lesbian and Gay and disabled employees!)
And then come up with definitions of class? As this thread shows it would be impossible.
Perhaps we are still in the silly season for news?
I’m amazed we’ve got into two pages and no one has posted the Two Ronnies Clip..
Slipping standards are worse than any class argument.
All very ironic when you investigate the "class" of Jeremy and his major advisors ...
Most are Public School, most are Oxbridge / Re Brick Unis....
None as far as I can see have worked down the pit, or on the docks ...
A littel like most of the executives in the BBC ....
This has nothing to do with avoiding answering the anti semitism questions, has it?
None as far as I can see have worked down the pit, or on the docks …
A littel like most of the executives in the BBC ….
This has nothing to do with avoiding answering the anti semitism questions, has it?
If you want it to be?
Or more unless you ask the questions you won't know the answers. People seem very against understanding where we are and where big organisations are.
TECHNICAL MIDDLE CLASS according to BBC
This is what I seem to be and I would agree. I was born into a working class family (lorry driver dad, part time dinner lady mum) but have somehow done alright at work (even though got poor exams) and exhibit many middle class traits although they started while I was in working class family as a teenager.
Not really sure what happened but I would definitely not describe myself as working class any more.
The middle classes or bourgeoisie control the means pf production. The working class do not, and only have their labour to sell. Therefore anyone who employs someone and profits from their labour, is part of the bourgeoisie or middle class. Even your most common as muck builder is middle class if he employs someone and profits from (exploits) their labour. Nothing to do with what profession you do, where you do it or what you wear doing it.
