Left wingers didn’t give us brexit
I didn’t say that we did. Twisting my words again. I said Lexitiers. They played their part. People who vocally campaign for workers rights, yet also enabled the erosion of those rights. Slow hand clap. Most left wingers saw the campaign to leave the EU for what it really was, and warned about what it would result in. They weren’t Lexitiers.
I also bet she gets a painting done of herself, being the photo op queen.
I presumed they all get one done (PMs that is). She’d better commission hers early though, I doubt she’ll be in the post for long. New Tory leader before we have a general election? Can you place a bet on that…?
As Johnson demonstrated PMQs as a method of holding the PM to account is overrated as long. If the speaker doesnt start saying “answer the bleeping question” then its just an opportunity to waffle and ignore the question.
The difference here is that Johnson is a very good wordsmith and has bags of charisma. People can and do ignore the fact he's talking bollocks purely on the basis they find him likeable and he obfuscates the truth so well. Truss is going to do the same of course but far less convincingly.
The difference here is that Johnson is a very good wordsmith and has bags of charisma
Not really. He is sort of good in writing but when under pressure he folds badly. Hence why they hid him away from anything resembling a proper interview. His appealing to the crowd only works if the crowd have already decided to help him out.
It was really obvious during covid and also when he had fading political support since he came out with lines and then was expecting the braying crowds to support him.
Without support he struggles. You can see the same with May. When she had the party behind her she did okay in PMQs but once she annoyed them she visibly struggled.
Had Corbyn come out in favour of Brexit, in line with his entire philosophy and voting record then the nation would probably have voted remain.
His tepid and disingenuous support for Remain did much, much more harm than good.
I think Thick Lizzie doesn't even look as though she believes her own words, she appeared to be about to crack up with laughter in that interview. Ofcourse trickle down is laughable but it is dire in its consequences.
Had Corbyn come out in favour of Brexit,
Oh dear. This thread is about the next PM. You realise you have invoked the rage of Binners and the other thread police? Expect a childish meme in response and some incoherent ranting about sixth formers.
Truss is going to do the same of course but far less convincingly.
She looks like she's permanently telling a total pork(er).
Whereas with Johnson it was multum porcus pius.
So when will the "big news" break? One second past midnight tonight?
12.30 monday; anti climax.
Tomorrow lunchtime AFAIK.
It occurs to me that Truss may be holding off telling us her plan to ease cost of living because it involves chucking around large amounts of public money, and that's the sort of thing that the party members whose votes she needs don't like.
I hope so anyway. I mean if all she cares about is the economy then she's going to have to, like Sunak did during COVID. Otherwise the economy is utterly trashed, no-one's going to be able to spend anything
If shippers is to be believed the pritstick is out.
A small pinprick...of good news.
It occurs to me that Truss may be holding off telling us her plan to ease cost of living because it involves chucking around large amounts of public money, and that’s the sort of thing that the party members whose votes she needs don’t like.
Isn't all the voting done now?
Plus they love bloody a PM splashing the cash, it means there's more lovely contracts to be had!
"Have you met my mate Roger? He Imports PPE and Gas, how astute of you yes we do both have the same old school tie..."
If shippers is to be believed the pritstick is out.
A small pinprick…of good news.
Boris leaving was meant to be good news, and somehow the tories took that away from us, so i'll hold fire on any positives of a Truss leadership!
frankconway
anti climax.
Much like being Jacob Rees-Mogg's wife.
Isn’t all the voting done now?
Expect a probable U-turn but not necessarily a handbrake turn - she will need more than just a few hours. No one can backtrack that quickly.
The emergency budget will reveal what she intends to do. If it involves backtracking from her previous positions she could claim that until she received her briefs as PM she hadn't been aware of just how the serious the situation was. However implausible that might be for a senior Cabinet member to claim.
I don't think so, given the voting was over on Friday she didn't need to say the following today.
Liz Truss has said it is fair to give higher earners more money back through tax cuts, saying recent Tory policy has failed to grow the economy.
It'll be tax cuts not handouts from dear Lizzie.
Liz Truss has said it is fair to give higher earners more money back through tax cuts
Well she probably intends to do that. It doesn't necessarily mean that she won't do a U-turn on what she called "handouts". If she ignores the consequences of rising energy bills to households, businesses, schools, hospitals, etc, she does so at her perils.
It's probably best to wait for the emergency budget but it would be surprising if she is daft enough not to backtrack. She has done plenty of U-turns in the past.
ernie - your shortest and most relevant post for aeons; note you still haven't moved to becoming a paid subscriber 😉
Big storm outside - clearly Truss and her Cauldron making tax spells.
^^Ha, you in Kent? We just had it go over a, while back.
Long way from you up in Nottinghamshire.
It occurs to me that Truss may be holding off telling us her plan to ease cost of living because it involves chucking around large amounts of public money, and that’s the sort of thing that the party members whose votes she needs don’t like.
I hope so anyway. I mean if all she cares about is the economy then she’s going to have to, like Sunak did during COVID. Otherwise the economy is utterly trashed, no-one’s going to be able to spend anything
Yep, if she doesn’t do it the wheels will come off,it’s another covid furlough scenario.
Expect a probable U-turn but not necessarily a handbrake turn – she will need more than just a few hours. No one can backtrack that quickly.
I believe two things.
1: the only thing liz truss truly believes in is liz truss’s career.
2: not delivering a substantial package, quickly, will harm that career.
It occurs to me that Truss may be holding off telling us her plan to ease cost of living because it involves chucking around large amounts of public money, and that’s the sort of thing that the party members whose votes she needs don’t like.
Yes this has definitely been the case for several weeks now - there has been too much speculation of what she may or may not do because of the stupid things she's been saying.
It's given us pages of entertainment but it's all meaningless until something is announced.
They're desperate to paint the picture they're not left wing but will simply have to use the power of the state to solve this.
(None of this guarantees the success of a package they offer up.)
In the leadership battle if Truss had said she'd has got to spend £xxxx then Sunak would have used it as a stick to beat her.
Prediction: she will try to rehash the original Tory plan of offering a discount on bills now, repaid by bill payers in future years, backed by government loans. This won’t wash with the public (again), and by Christmas she’ll be implementing Labour’s plan for household bills from the summer instead… once that almost inevitable upturn is completed the focus will then, finally, shift to fuel bills for small companies, as many close… again, with the government being led by the nose by public opinion and Labour short term policy proposals towards a necessary government funded intervention.
Stop whining man! Left wingers didn’t give us brexit, the right wing remainers in the Labour Party and Lib Dems did that. Go and thank them.
Bollox - anyone who either voted for Brexit in 2016 or Tory in 2019 gave us this shitshow - stop trying to change history!
Prediction: she will try to rehash the original Tory plan of offering a discount on bills now, repaid by bill payers in future years, backed by government loans. This won’t wash with the public, and by Christmas she’ll be implementing Labour’s plan from the summer instead… when the focus will then, finally, shift to on fuel bills for small companies, as many close… again, with the government being led by the nose by public opinion and Labour short term policy proposals.
I'm terrified by the loan approach. I really hope they don't go with that.
I have simply no idea what they will do.
Delaying the issue for later months is quite likely though I can see the strategy in that.
(I was thinking of them them revisiting a furlough type package with some sort of tax credit system. But can't see how that would be implemented.)
I really hope they don’t go with that.
She’ll try it, and be pushed away from it by the response to it. Fast. It’ll be interesting to see if this process plays out with the “number ten sources say” approach that Johnson used to test policies, or in a more transparent way.
We ate not but the labour / tory pact in Scotland run my a rightwinger saved Mays government by gifting her 10 mps and the anti Corbyn action of the rightwingers cost us english labour mps so also helped mays government. Without those two things Mays government would have fallen and Brexit would have been much less likely and even if it happened much less damaging
Oh, I’ve said it before, but the approach to household bills should be a set amount of low cost energy for all, with higher volume users (sorry rural folk) paying higher rates for the extra they use. My old mum shouldn’t be paying the same per a unit to have a hot cup of tea in the morning as someone heating their hot tub. Those on a restricted income shouldn’t be scared of using the basics of life, but we still need to reward people for reducing their energy use [both to get us through this particular energy crisis, and slow down the ongoing and serious damage of climate change].
Bills for companies… that’s going to be super pressing this winter… but let’s keep the lights on for households first. Truss will have to sort both. Labour will probably have to show her the way.
Labour will probably have to show her the way
They will almost certainly reach above Labour (because Labour never offer enough.) In terms of support.
Politically it makes total sense to go hard and fast.
The Tories are are prepared to use Q/E and Labour are committed to balancing the books. That leaves Labour short in my opinion of solid medium term solutions.
Is it time to start the Liz! Truss! thread yet?
12:30
Is it time to start the Liz! Truss! thread yet?
Please do.
No mention of any other party leaders in that thread though.
We enjoy uncontextualized criticism of anyone apart from Starmer here
The domestic bills are a massive problem but the biggest threat are the uncapped commercial bills.
Mass bankruptcies and mass unemployment in a few months.
Is it time to start the Liz! Truss! thread yet?
I was way ahead of everyone. Still not sure why the mods saw fit to close this but hey-ho 🤷♂️
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/liz-truss/
So if news reports this morning are correct Truss is going to freeze energy bills (among other things) for all consumers, including as I understand it businesses. That means one thing, an election before christmas.
I am just hoping, merely for the only giggles this whole shitshow will give me, that Sunak gets announced as the winner. That would be hilarious - if only briefly.
Mods - is now the time to reopen the "old" thread?
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/liz-truss/
So there's whiff of Truss 'furlough' levels of spending circulating on James O'Brien and now Centrists jumping through hoops to misunderstand national debt and government spending, and how we can't spend that much.
You can't make it up. (well you can because Centrists don't like left-wing economic solutions when they're on the table.)
If she does go for this (which I'm not really sure - furlough levels of spending sounds extreme) - Starmer will be left with only fiscal credibilty to talk about. And then he's done.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1566711153530642432?s=20&t=N_GRIzQ5P8iO6oPDMEjU9Q
Rone. Please stop calling them centrist as they are not. They are right wing. At least put it in inverted commas
If she does go for this
My money is on something like the Scottish Power plan, without the loan bit. Whatever it is it'll be more than labour are proposing to do. Once again Starmer misses an open goal.
Rone. Please stop calling them centrist as they are not. They are right wing. At least put it in inverted comma
I've written about this before.
Centrists are fiscally right-wing/pro markets but don't identify as such so they are called Centrists to help this distinction. And the other key distinction is they believe money is generated by the wealthy to pay for the state - but the wealthy should pay their tax for that reason.
That's a key difference.
I completely agree with your sentiment but it doesn't help describe a general position to just call them right-wing.
The majority of this country only think about the now. If she does that and calls an election we’ll have four more years of Conservatives in power. They’ve created a perfect storm by getting everyone to within a few days panic and riots, so that she fixes it this winter and becomes the heroine of the nation for six months at least.
In facts it’s so clever I’d be surprised if it were true.
