Oh. Ok comrade. I thought it was a thread about the Tory leadership
So why aren't you talking about the Tory leadership instead of rabbiting on about 4 star petrol and Allegros?
Which even more off topic than how to deal with rising energy bills and what provisions people use for hot water.
Plus the claim about how much it saves seems to have been pulled out of his arse.
According to an article that I read in the Guardian an electric kettle typically represents 6% of a household's energy bill, iirc more than an oven, which surprised me a little.
Could you give us a rundown of the what proportion of energy use other household appliances represent comrade?
It’s fascinating
Do Rishi or Liz have a favourite?
I’m going to go for
Rishi - Hot tub
Lizzie - Fondue set
Could you give us a rundown of the what proportion of energy use other household appliances represent comrade?
It’s fascinating
Well you need to thank whoever it was who posted that clip with Johnson talking about electric kettles.
Personally I think my post concerning Johnson's swipe at the two Tory leadership contenders is far more fascinating. Have you got an opinion on that?
Perhaps you missed it in your rush to find something to get worked up about, so here it is again:
So Johnson takes a swipe at the two contenders to replace him.
Liz Truss:
“Tell everybody who thinks hydrocarbons are the only answer and we should get fracking and all that: offshore wind is now the cheapest form of electricity in this country … Of course it’s entirely clean and green.”
Rishi Sunak:
After being accused by Rishi Sunak of ignoring the harms of lockdown during the Covid pandemic, Johnson said the criticism that it had caused the huge backlog of NHS surgery was an “inversion of logic”.
Instead, he said, the opposite was the case; if the three national lockdowns had not been ordered, the NHS would be in an “even worse” position.
Hey, Binners, I like reading your contributions but here you're playing the man not the ball. Well done for playing straight in the face of provocation, Ernie.
Edit: I found your quotes and the links interesting, Ernie. If Starmer had come out with those quotes I'd have applauded - finally some conviction! And I agree with Boris on those two points.
Well you need to thank whoever it was who posted that clip with Johnson talking about electric kettles.
LOL! I've just checked who posted that clip and suprise suprise it was you!
You really are a muppet mate! 😁
Rishi – Hot tub
He thinks a tad larger than that. According to his local rag builders are busy with a new indoor swimming pool plus hot tub.
Nothing says ‘man of the people’ like installing a swimming pool at the height of an energy crisis, that’ll probably cost more to heat than most households annual income.
He’s not learnt much, has he?
Though I do get the feeling that Liz is waiting in the wings saying ‘hold my pint bolly’. She does like her private planes, after all
That electric kettle crap from johnson...
What the actual ****?
Did he skip science class at school?
I know he did history in uni so I'm guessing maths and science are not his strong point..
****ing hell.
It takes a specific amount of energy to heat 1 litre of water from say 15c to 100c.
What he should have said is only boil enough water that you are going to use.. Like 1 cups worth or 2 cups worth.
I'm guessing he's one of those that puts 3 liters of water into the kettle and then wonders why it takes so long to get hot ;/
Your fuel bills are going to exceed your wage. Don't worry, buy a new kettle.
We're beyond parody.
What's a wage?
It’s what, if you’re lucky, you used to be able to live on
She does like her private planes, after all
Doing her best to get the G7 upgraded to G6.
and use more energy to do so (as the scale has a higher thermal resistance)
Nope.
You've fallen into the kettle trap; whether that was expertly set or daft to use it as an analogy, that's all it was, an analogy. Not even Boris is stupid enough to suggest a £10 pa saving is the solution to the crisis, and if we all say that it is there's an easy rebound coming for the tories. Actually what he said is to be welcomed, not vilified. Play the ball, not the man.
If you look at the full clip, he actually was announcing £700M for a new nuclear plant, which sounds like a lot right now but if it reduces your costs and reliance on gas in the longer run..... it's a bit like (see where this is going) spending £20 on a kettle that'll save you £10 per year.
Very selective editing by the MSM, I'm afraid.
(obscure link, but the MSM pointing this out are the Mail and Express and don't want to link them)
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/no-boris-johnson-didnt-buy-143939836.html
Actually what he said is to be welcomed, not vilified.
Would have been useful to have used an analogy that held water.
Maybe that's the real problem with his old kettle.
Silly people, surely the answer to the inefficient kettle is to move house to a soft water area and save a fortune as the kettle will not scale therefore be more efficient. Those tenners will soon be working for you.
biggest kettle saving for me would be a cure for early Alzheimers. I boil it, wander off while it boils, forget I was making a cup of tea, come back 10 mins later and reboil it..... and repeat.
Actually what he said is to be welcomed, not vilified. Play the ball, not the man.
If you look at the full clip, he actually was announcing £700M for a new nuclear plant
Well yes, he obviously didn't call a press conference to talk about the alleged inefficiencies of old electric kettles, binners link was always designed to ridicule without context.
However I am not convinced that Johnson's announcement yesterday should be wholeheartedly welcomed. The fact that a French government owned company will own and operate a £20 billion British nuclear power station exposes the complete absurdity of Tory/Labour governments privatisation policies on several levels.
Including that the French government will be reaping the rewards of profits made from UK consumers, for the benefit of French taxpayers, from a commercial operation subsidized by UK taxpayers.
And in a field which the UK was once a world leader - the world's first full scale nuclear power station was built by a British government.
Where do the workforce for the plant come from? Are they all French? Or from the UK?
the world’s first full scale nuclear power station
If we're honest, Calder Hall was mainly about making plutonium for warheads in a slightly safer plant than the one that caught fire.
Where do the workforce for the plant come from? Are they all French? Or from the UK?
You know the answer to that, the UK. And the electricity generated will be for the benefit of UK consumers.
So the fact that there will be obvious benefits from the £20 billion project means that it is fine for the French government to reap the rewards of profits made from UK consumers, for the benefit of French taxpayers, from a commercial operation subsidized by UK taxpayers?
If we’re honest, Calder Hall was mainly about.....
If we're honest the lack of technological know-how wasn't the issue, as Calder Hall proved, but mainly a lack of political will. Compounded by an absurd and illogical drive to privatisation.
Announcing a new nuclear power plant does precisely nothing to help with the energy crisis. It won't be on line for 20+ years
Nope
Care to expand?
It's been a few years since nautical college but I do distinctly remember being taught that heat transfer is impaired when there is a buildup of sediment on boiler tubes. In fact every result of a quick search agrees with me so please, show your working...
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=does+limescale+make+a+kettle+less+efficient&t=fpas&ia=web
And in a field which the UK was once a world leader – the world’s first full scale nuclear power station was built by a British government.
As per many other fields it was left to the markets. After the AGR development there was the Steam Generating Heavy Water Reactor at Winfrith that had potential to become a commercial 650MW design but declining electricity use resulted in it being cancelled. Basically a British CANDU style design. After that I don't think we really had the appetite for developing stuff until JET and ITER came on the scene. Makes you wonder what could have been.
The fact that a French government owned company will own and operate a £20 billion British nuclear power station exposes the complete absurdity of Tory/Labour governments privatisation policies on several levels.
My dad spent his life working for BNFL. When they broke it up and privatised it he said that disbanding one of the most skilled teams of nuclear engineers in the world was absolute insanity as ultimately we would have no option but to build new nuclear as the only serious long term solution to our energy needs. He also correctly predicted that when that inevitably happened we'd have to pay the French an enormous premium to come and do it for us, because they weren't so short-sighted and stupid as to casually lose this particular skillset
My dad is not Mystic Meg
It did amuse me listening to Johnsons 'we'll build a nuclear power station a year' bollocks, considering 'we' don't actually have anyone who knows how to do it and its hardly like building a shopping centre, is it?
My dad is not Mystic Meg
You sure, I thought you were from Lancashire? Would fit.
It did amuse me listening to Johnsons ‘we’ll build a nuclear power station a year’ bollocks, considering ‘we’ don’t actually have anyone who knows how to do it and its hardly like building a shopping centre, is it?
"We" could have when Westinghouse went to the wall. Open goal; an already GDA approved reactor, a company for sale, sites already identified, bish bash bosh.
But no, we let every development fail and just dragged our heels.
On your last point, that forging press for Sheffield Forgemasters that never got funded was what the EPR vessels would/could have been built in. Another waste of talent.
Rolls Royce are well into* development of small modular reactors. I reckon they could be bashed out annually and seem a much more flexible and agile solution than a Hinkely style behemoth. Weather anyone would accept one in their neighbourhood, even in the face of crippling energy costs is a different matter.
*ooh, might be a saleable product in another decade.
considering ‘we’ don’t actually have anyone who knows how to do it and its hardly like building a shopping centre, is it?
Speaking as someone who works for one of the UK's leading engineering companies, which is also active in the nuclear industry, I have absolutely no doubt that we do know 'how to do it'. The problem is not expertise, it's political will and investment, and the as Ernie says the ludicrous situation where we have a privatised energy industry which outsources work to foreign companies (some whom are owned by foreign governments) because it's cheaper than doing it ourselves. So with that in mind I presume Starmer will be rectifying this problem. Oh...
Not De Lorean then?
When the civil servants sit her down and soberly describe the consequences of her idiotic economic policies she will lose her nerve
I've lost it now. That is irony?
The problem is not expertise, it’s political will and investment,
What it is is a pathological aversion to stating the bleeding obvious... that sometimes it has to be the government that does stuff and not 'The Market' and that this required investment from the taxpayer and some actual activity from government.
When Boris made the statement 'we will build a nuclear reactor a year' not only was it total and complete bollocks (surprise surprise!) it wasn't actually a statement at all. It was an open question. What he really said was 'does anyone fancy building some nuclear power stations?'
Ironically, a lot of things from the 'glory days' of British enterprise and ingenuity that some people seem to be evoking were done by the government of the day.
considering ‘we’ don’t actually have anyone who knows how to do it
Lots of UK based people who "know" how do it ... but beware ... delivering is quite another thing.
Not to defend the chump but...
Fancy new kettle will heat to 85C rather than a boil, and that is fine for black tea.
Carry on.
85C... is fine for black tea
Delete your account.
Delete your account.
black and oolong tea extraction optimum is 80-85C. Normal tea is black tea. Even the stuff with a British flag on
I looked into one of those variable temp kettles... but... they didn't cost under a tenner, unlike our little kettle. Just put less water in. And turn it off when the boil starts, rather than waiting for it to cut itself off.
I didn't day he wasnt out of touch, just there was a logical point to it
Announcing a new nuclear power plant does precisely nothing to help with the energy crisis. It won’t be on line for 20+ years
It's this kind of problematic thinking that led us into the current situation in the first place. Y
But you must see the point - the current joke of a PM talking about something that will not be here for 15-20 years does not in any way help the people facing huge problems today with the impending energy price rises.
We need more nuclear power as part of a hybrid nuclear/renewables strategy to wean us of fossil fuels but the current issue is much bigger
Not to defend the chump but…
Fancy new kettle will heat to 85C rather than a boil, and that is fine for black tea.
Carry on.
That sounds like the tea my Coffee-Lady* use to bring me in a morning when I worked in Germany. It was only after a few weeks that I found out why it was so dire - she filled the tea-caddy from the hot water 'boiler' by the sink...
* grade entitlement, along with 1st Class travel 🙂
Had a family meet up at the weekend and 75 year old uncle who'se been a lifelong right wing Tory and Brexit cheerleader.
He's had enough and says he can't vote conservative next time.
One down....
Boris is still moving out, van was outside no 10 when i walked past earlier. Must have a lot of furniture for a humble flat, or maybe he's taking the floor boards.
Any sign of a wallpaper steamer?
*ooh, might be a saleable product in another decade.
We had a guy working for us, must have been in the company since the 90s, that previously worked for RR. He said it was utter shite, they were saying the same thing back then.
SMRs are not submarine PWRs, they're 4th gen tech that the UK stepped away from when Dounreay got canned. Molten salt, pebble bed and fast breeders are all the proper leaps forward, RR are just trying to rebadge ancient tech as something new.
That sounds like the tea my Coffee-Lady* use to bring me in a morning when I worked in Germany. It was only after a few weeks that I found out why it was so dire – she filled the tea-caddy from the hot water ‘boiler’ by the sink
When in Rome
