This BBC video shows how detached from reality some of the Tory members are. Not one mention of the energy, cost of living or climate crises.. or Ukraine
I showed that clip earlier to my mum, her very sweary response followed by string the ***** up would get me a quick ban if I repeated it word for word.
They really are delusional if they think either of those two ****tards can unite the country
AKA a Terry Leahy
Some proper insider info there 😉
so go to the office this winter. It’s cheaper than heating your own house
Well. Our office used to be 3 floors, now closed down to 1 floor and canteen, ancillary areas on ground floor as 60% of folks WFH. I, for one, will commute to the office if bills get daft as I have a zero/minimal commute cost as I can cycle or walk.
This morning's Tory topic of the public conscience: Smart Motorways. And excitement of removing the green levy.
Do **** off.
It works though - lots of clapping. Fruit loops.
Evidence that the right has no good answers to anything important or remotely complex.
Just listening to the R6 news where they had a clip of someone (member of public) who said they preferred Liz because she seams more stable - I actually laughed out loud - we have no hope if your average tory voter thinks she's more stable
Well. Our office used to be 3 floors, now closed down to 1 floor and canteen
The office I go to when I go in (which was never regularly) used to have a big canteen with loads of food options. Since it re-opened though they only have a skeleton staff that makes sandwiches. Shame, in some ways, but people are WFH.
Spend 150billion+ now or face collapse. The only topic in town.
This morning’s Tory topic of the public conscience: Smart Motorways.
Do **** off.
To be fair, (and I can't quite believe I just wrote that in a thread about the Tories) I think this was just part of an answer at last nights hustings that has been reported by the media, and not a major policy announcement.
To be fair, (and I can’t quite believe I just wrote that in a thread about the Tories) I think this was just part of an answer at last nights hustings that has been reported by the media, and not a major policy announcement.
But that's its purpose to distract and wind folk up, especially those that can afford a good living.
They know what they're doing with stuff like this.
It's capital punishment day next.
Hanging it's to good for them ECT ECT.
Maybe it's tighter than the bookies have it.
How often do the bookies get it wrong?
I live in hope that the crap they're spouting at the moment is just to get the votes off the Tory members. And that there'll be some more sensible dialogue once they're elected in.
I mean, I don't truly believe that, but one has to have hope...
I live in hope that the crap they’re spouting at the moment is just to get the votes off the Tory members. And that there’ll be some more sensible dialogue once they’re elected in.
I still remember the people who said 'Oh, Trump will change once he's elected, and he actually has to govern. He'll become more presidential.'.
The more Thick Lizzie makes commitments now, the quicker her leadership collapses and hopefully we get a GE in the middle of the Winter Of Our Discontent.
Truss, out of her depth on a wet pavement, is going to be an absolute disaster as she’s totally devoid of ideas, intelligence, empathy and so much more.
Perfect front for the ERG then.
What are the odds on the entire cabinet and senior positions being all ERG members?
She's already said that she intends to appoint Iain Duncan Smith and *shudders* John Redwood to cabinet positions as well as *checks notes* Suella Braverman as Home Secretary and Kwasi Kwartang as Chancellor
In a few months time we'll be fondly looking back at the gang of useless imbeciles presently around the cabinet table as a golden age of political stability and bold, decisive, forward-thinking leadership
The ERG Brexiteer Nutjobs will tell Lizzie to jump and she'll ask how high.
First thing in Lizzies intray: Dump NI protocol and start a trade war with the EU
In a few months time we’ll be fondly looking back at the gang of useless imbeciles presently around the cabinet table as a golden age of political stability and bold, decisive, forward-thinking leadership
I've thought that with each incarnation of the Prime Minister. Surely this one can't be as bad as the last...?
Oh they're worse.
You're right, this country is going to be utterly, potentially irrevocably, screwed after a year of a Truss Government.
Still not sure how much of the batshit mental mess of words coming out of her mouth is actual policy or simply some form of early AI trying to learn question / response type stuff.
What are the odds on the entire cabinet and senior positions being all ERG members?
Under the UK PM system, they don't need to actually do the job, the PM controls the Cabinet.
live in hope that the crap they’re spouting at the moment is just to get the votes off the Tory members. And that there’ll be some more sensible dialogue once they’re elected in.
I mean, I don’t truly believe that, but one has to have hope…
I think there is truth to that.
The battle the right have got on their hands is the country needs left-wing solutions - so ahem - they're taking an accelerated version of the Starmer approach which is to wow your team with Express and Mail type disgust and then probably do some other unrelated stuff when they take power. This sort of campaigning is de rigueur.
The other stuff is my concern but I'm largely ignoring all hustings - because when they actually sit down and look at the state of things they will have to do lots of things they don't want to.
Looking back Johnson's biggest single issue was he was an actor out of his depth - and actually did very little. I suppose that's small state for you. I do think Truss will do things.
This is not to say she will do the right things or be competent...
I can't see how this Government is going to survive the winter.
The hustings are absolutely insane, she just anything that get the racist pensioners clapping.
Last night, when asked about removing motorway speed limits, she said she would consider it.
because when they actually sit down and look at the state of things they will have to do lots of things they don’t want to.
This. Truss is the same as Johnson and is driven by blind ambition and narcissism. She has no ideology beyond saying and doing whatever it takes to win and maintain power. When the civil servants sit her down and soberly describe the consequences of her idiotic economic policies she will lose her nerve and do what Johnson did and execute a massive bailout. Or maybe she won't and she'll be gone by the spring as the population revolts and the cities burn. It's a pretty simple choice.
Or maybe she won’t and she’ll be gone by the spring as the population revolts and the cities burn.
Isn't that the prelude to The Hunger Games...?
Last night, when asked about removing motorway speed limits, she said she would consider it.
To be fair to her, that's surely the standard reply by any parent to their children's requests 😀
Handily, Boris has just made Lizzie's life a bit easier by solving the energy crisis
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1565303365508251648?s=20&t=1jB-b4c3UCwlvMr0yXYk2A
He's right you know.
Last night, when asked about removing motorway speed limits, she said she would consider it.
Whoa! I'm not a racist pensioner but she's got my vote 😉
And unlike the racist pensioners I'll actually take advantage of it - or more exactly, it'll mean I'm driving at legal speeds now.
Not overly useful though who cant get a friendly donor to handle the upfront cost. Back to vimes boots theory.
Handily, Boris has just made Lizzie’s life a bit easier by solving the energy crisis
He's made me want to go back to school to learn everything again just in case I've missed something.
Where to start...
Given kettles are so simple, and efficient in terms of energy - and assuming they're not covered in limescale then I'm calling nonsense on a new kettle over an old one. (What's an old one?)
And on top of that at least ArTICUlatE your point properly.
And on top of that - £10 a year not really enough is it?
Tories - save the pennies ... and you will still have pennies.
"Isn’t that the prelude to The Hunger Games…?"
We're on season 2 already.
"soon I’ll be commuting in just because I fancy a chippy!"
You'll be better off investing in your own fishing rod.
"I still remember the people who said ‘Oh, Trump will change once he’s elected, and he actually has to govern. He’ll become more presidential.’"
That'd be the Spectator, who greeted the Trump 2016 victory with an editorial entitled:
"Why a Donald Trump presidency won't be as bad as you think"
Don't bother going looking for it in the Spectator archive though, they redacted the article on January 7th last year.
Given kettles are so simple, and efficient in terms of energy – and assuming they’re not covered in limescale then I’m calling nonsense on a new kettle over an old one. (What’s an old one?)
There must be a very minor difference between say an old metal one and a new plastic one perhaps?
It's a bit like when British Gas say "could* save you £20,000 a year compared to your old boiler", or when Specialized claims their latest socks can save you 5 seconds in a timetrial**.
*calculation assumes exiting boiler is coal fired and does not take into account any redundancy payment to the stoker.
** old socks must be novelty items worn on your ears along with pencils up the nostrils in an attempt to get out of the war, whilst riding at a speed that would trouble Doc in his Delorean.
Given kettles are so simple, and efficient in terms of energy – and assuming they’re not covered in limescale then I’m calling nonsense on a new kettle over an old one.
I believe heating elements become less efficient as they get older. And this also true of immersion heaters.
So Johnson takes a swipe at the two contenders to replace him.
Liz Truss:
"Tell everybody who thinks hydrocarbons are the only answer and we should get fracking and all that: offshore wind is now the cheapest form of electricity in this country … Of course it’s entirely clean and green.”
Rishi Sunak:
After being accused by Rishi Sunak of ignoring the harms of lockdown during the Covid pandemic, Johnson said the criticism that it had caused the huge backlog of NHS surgery was an “inversion of logic”.
Instead, he said, the opposite was the case; if the three national lockdowns had not been ordered, the NHS would be in an “even worse” position.
****! I agree with Johnson on two points.
He’s right you know.
As usual, he's not.
CBA with going into reasons.
I believe heating elements become less efficient as they get older. And this also true of immersion heaters.
They remain 100% efficient until the moment of failure.
They remain 100% efficient until the moment of failure.
I am fairly certain that isn't true.
The heating element is in the bottom of the tank. It slowly gets burried in calcium carbonate sediment. The water is heated more slowly because of the insulation provided by the sediment and the sediment gets very hot leading to higher heat loss from the bottom of the tank and the pipework than without sediment. The resistance is still 100% efficient but the tank loses more heat for a given water temperature at the tap.
I believe that constant and significant changes in temperature affects the properties of metals and their conductivity/resistance, but its not a subject which I have any expertise on so don't ask me to explain it.
Plenty on stw will undoubtedly have the expertise but whether they bother to click on political threads is another matter.
I believe that constant and significant changes in temperature affects the properties of metals and their conductivity/resistance,
In which case it might work at a lower wattage so not heat as quickly but it'll still be 100% efficient in terms of converting electrical energy into heat. There's nowhere else for the energy to go.
So an older heating element will use the same amount of electricity but over a longer period of time - everyday's a school day!
Although presumably there is a constant amount of heat loss so the longer time it takes to reach a desired temperature the greater the total heat loss. Not that I imagine it would be a problem in the case of electric kettles
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So some old boiler is going to be our next PM?
Immersion heaters? Is it 1975?
Are you now going to have an argument about the best 4 star petrol to put in your Allegro?
Well if you read the thread carefully you will probably be able to see that there isn't an argument concerning immersion heaters, only whether heating elements become less efficient with time.
And dispite your bizarre out of touch Tory politician type dismissive comment, suggesting that this isn't 1975, millions of people in the UK currently rely on immersion heaters to provide them with hot water.
Oh. Ok comrade. I thought it was a thread about the Tory leadership, but apparently it’s now about the relative merits of electrical heating elements
A heating element will become less efficient as it furs up, this is why boilers need cleaning and water treatment. A totally furred up kettle will take longer to heat up and use more energy to do so (as the scale has a higher thermal resistance). Typically the worse the scaling gets the higher the likelihood of failure (be that heating element of boiler tube) since it can't shed the heat generated quick enough.
So yes, he is correct.
And dispite your bizarre out of touch Tory politician type dismissive comment, suggesting that this isn’t 1975, millions of people in the UK currently rely on immersion heaters to provide them with hot water.
My father in law being one of them. As an aside, I'm not sure how else to heat up a tank with solar PV either.
A heating element will become less efficient as it furs up
In which case a sachet of descalar would be just as effective and rather cheaper.
There does seem to be a case that fast boiling kettles are more effective than slower ones but thats not really the argument he was making as you can have slow boiling new ones.
Plus the claim about how much it saves seems to have been pulled out of his arse.
