LOL at the centrists getting upset at insults. When binners piles in with all sorts including homophobia its all “well done binners
Exactly and he's been doing it for a while.
Why are you even thinking about it when the likes of Amazon and Facebook pay no tax at all?
If you (rightly) take a moral stance that FB etc should be paying tax, how can you then argue that morally you don't have to pay your share? Two wrongs and all that....
I said you sound *like*. That’s not the same as calling you is it?
I think that's playing the game to stay just the right side of the rules, which Mark and the mods have asked we don't do.
Kind of like telling someone they broke Rule#1 but claiming you haven't actually called them a dick, so that's alright then.
LOL at the centrists getting upset at insults
How can that be if
I’m not seeing the personal attacks coming from that side
You are quoting 2 different people
I'm no centrist.
I belive each problem a government and society faces deserves it's own Taylor made non-partisan solution according to its unique challenge.
Some solutions might require a slightly left solution, some slightly right, some slightly Liberal, some slightly authoritarian.
Taking a statistical average of that and calling it centrist is quite frankly a very simple minded partisan view.
Lol @ the yellow tories blaming everyone else for Brexit when they propped up the government that went on to do it.
I said you sound *like*. That’s not the same as calling you is it?
Well in that case, rone, you sound like a right... <leaves this for others to fill in>
See how that works?
That one is as old as time.
yellow tories
Also the only ones not pusillanimous enough to call it what it is - namely an utter disaster that needs reversing as far as possible...
Yellow tories?
Ahh that old chestnut peddled by the partisan corbynites, haha.
You convinienty forget they had a minority coalition and had to pick thier battles and simply had to make concessions.
Let's not worry about the fact that that they curbed the worst of what the tories were doing with the limited sway they had.
But that will never fit into the narrative of the anti EU Labour Party, who claim to want more socialism but only for the UK, not those nasty Europeans...
The irony is off the scale.
Let’s not worry about the fact that that they curbed the worst of what the tories were doing with the limited sway they had.
LOL off the scale, an irony bypass more like.
Forum suggestion: can we get rosettes, trying to remember who's arguing with who is making my head hurt when no one is actually making a point.
Is Truss nailed on?
the anti EU Labour Party, who claim to want more socialism but only for the UK, not those nasty Europeans
Yep, and their support for Brexit is about to land us with Liz Truss as Prime Minister.
I'm sure the Singletrack Six will be along in a bit to assure us all it was part of the plan to turn the UK into a socialist utopia - but here's the thing - I seem to remember Wile E Coyote having lots of plans too (he even wrote some of them down).
LMAO.
tinas - forget about the usual suspects making a point; their interest is in points scoring.
Is Truss nailed on?
Yes.
Well done, Leavers.
Well in that case, rone, you sound like a right… <leaves this for others to fill in>
winger? Ouch! 😉
Let’s not worry about the fact that that they curbed the worst of what the tories were doing with the limited sway they had.
The Tories seemed very pleased with what they managed to achieve during the time of the coalition government, especially austerity.
But what you are probably also forgetting is that the LibDems could have gone into coalition with Labour and other minority parties - the arithmetic was there to make that feasible.
But Nick Clegg refused to accept that Gordon Brown would remain Prime Minister, so instead he jumped into bed with the Tories and enthusiastically supported austerity.
The LibDems have never recovered from that disastrous decision. Coalition with Labour, SNP, etc would have massively increased the LibDems credibility. But as a centrist Clegg felt more comfortable with Tories than with lefties
Oh good. Another previously-interesting thread reduced to bickering from the usual suspects. Top job.
Oh good. Another previously-interesting thread reduced to bickering from the usual suspects. Top job.
To be fair, the initial thrust of this thread is now moot.
Liz Truss is going to be our next Prime Minister. Let's just think on that for a while, shall we?
£350m a week on the NHS, anyone?
super_12
Free Member
Is Truss nailed on?Yes.
Well done, Leavers
Liz Truss is a remainer...
Nah, she's a persistent floater, she believes whatever is convenient. But she definitely has the leaver vote.
How did she campaign during the referendum?
how can you then argue that morally you don’t have to pay your share?
I guess you missed the bit where I said I paid over 15k in income tax and NI last year with no complaints? When Jeff Bezoz is paying 30% of the money he makes in the UK in tax come back to me.
Yeah I wonder who wrote this in the first place, not at all personal is it?
Diddums! Did the nasty man say something rude? You were comparing a builder doing a cash in hand job to a billionaire tax evader. I’d say that qualifies as having your head in the sand/backside/whatever.
Liz Truss is a remainer…
I think that phase of Truss-dom is long gone.
She campaigned to remain, and then did a full volte-face when she got a sniff of a cabinet spot.
Liz Truss is a remainer…
Oh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Lovely attempt to be disingenuous - but really rather desperate.
She is a born again Leaver - now more Brexity than some of the consistent Leavers.
She is the darling of the Brexity right and a total convert (as much as someone as fundamentally shallow as her could be).
And she is only going to be PM (or anywhere near it) because of her apparent conversion and because of the inverted talent show that Brexit caused within the Tories. No Brexit = no Truss as PM, or Johnson for that matter.
Nice try, but that really is laughable.
In 2016 she said that she didn't want her daughters to grow up in a world of barriers and wanted them to have clean water, fresh air and an healthy environment so was voting to remain. in 2022 she said that she was wrong, and that she was prepared to admit she was wrong.
Which must have come as a bitter surprise to her daughters.
Ah, I see, this thread needs filing with the Starmer one now and best left alone.
And she is only going to be PM (or anywhere near it) because of her apparent conversion and because of the inverted talent show that Brexit caused within the Tories. No Brexit = no Truss as PM, or Johnson for that matter.
Logical fallacy there is that without Brexit there's no U-turn, and she's still on the "winning" side and would probably have ended up in Cameron's Cabinet.
clean water, fresh air and an healthy environment
And not a word about this:
Let's face it, Truss is going to be an absolute disaster in the job. Nothing, nothing about her - from her ability to about-turn in 30 seconds to her self-promotion to her verbal botty-dribblings - suggests even an inkling of anything that is going to make the lot of anyone below the top 0.1% any better. Her need to embrace the nonsense that is Brexit speaks volumes to the interests that have her in their pocket - things are going to get much, much worse.
Ha!
A recent arrival from about the tine gardentiger disappeared.
Cue posts - don't know what you're referring to; dannyh and gardentiger - who they?
Lol @ the yellow tories blaming everyone else for Brexit when they propped up the government that went on to do it.
A50 helped along nicely by Corbyn's 3 line whip to get it over the line something you don't recall?......
don't forget the election thing, all the parties enabled the farce by allowing the 2019 snap election.
all the parties
The scorched earth brexiteers from labour and the tories can't pin that on the lib dems, they've only got circa 12 MP's.
Corbyn’s 3 line whip to get it over the line something you don’t recall?
They say a week is a long time in politics, but I suspect most labour voters are suffering from a time dilation effect, simmilar to that of hit movie "interstellar".
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
Corbyn was always nationalist and protectionist.
That's why I'm confused as to why he wanted nuclear disarmerment... maybe it was just a bone to throw to the card carrying college students?
ElShalimo
Full Member
is super_12 another dannyh replicant
Hope so!
She campaigned to remain, and then did a full volte-face when she got a sniff of a cabinet spot.
To be fair that isn't massively different to the position of the current leader of the Labour Party.
He too campaigned to remain but now supports brexit and claims that the UK can be better off outside the EU than inside:
https://www.cityam.com/exclusive-starmer-says-uk-can-be-better-off-outside-eu-than-inside/
Whilst they might not be identical to Truss's reasons I suspect that his volte-face is for very similar reasons to her's - the lure of high office.
Red tories.
is super_12 another dannyh replicant?
It's his third incarnation this year.
I don't know why maintains this ridiculous attempt to pass himself off as a completely different person who has no idea who dannyh is.
It would make sense if he had been banned but presumably he hasn't been as it has been obvious for quite a while now who he is.
I can only assume that he is embarrassed by his previous behaviour and doesn't want to be associated with his past.
Although quite why he thinks no one will notice who is when he makes no attempt at all to change his persona and bangs on about brexit and stupid and racist working-class people are at every given opportunity, remains a mystery to me.
I expect him to disappear for a while now and reappear as someone else next month.
I see Gove is doing a runner from the Truss crazy gang before it's too late
A Holiday from reality is how he describes Truss's plans
Looking at the culture war clowns she's assembling for cabinet, I think we're all in trouble
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1560718574012059648?t=tETw5cSpa8_XutHmJk-v4A&s=19
Let’s face it, Truss is going to be an absolute disaster in the job.
It is still hard to believe after a few years of laughing at how bad she is as an MP that she will actually be Prime Minister. Boris was clearly just as much a joke but I could always see how he could do it.
I think it will be good for this wanting to se the back of the tory government but there will be collateral damage with such a crazy person as PM.
Marina Hyde is on the money, as ever
https://twitter.com/marinahyde/status/1560870612847001601?s=21&t=rK24qToQ9BnVIcuuYAWRtA
The last bit truly makes you shudder… that John Redwood has been earmarked for a senior cabinet position. I presume in an attempt at making the present lot look competent
John Redwood is worth following on Twitter as he’s quite prolific and it’s difficult to imagine that just one man could be more consistently wrong about absolutely everything or just contain such a mountain of stupidity
The idea of him taking essential decisions in the midst of a financial crisis is truly terrifying. Iain Duncan Smith too apparently. Another genius
Truss clearly saw the accusations that Boris surrounded himself with imbeciles (including her) to make himself look better and said ‘hold my lukewarm Chardonnay…’
Is IDS still super popular with party members? He was not very long ago when they polled them, bafflingly. I’d be leaking that he might get a job if I was after their votes…
What's worrying for the Tories is that Truss & Sunak have spent weeks advertising what their policies will be
And they're plummeting in the polls!
Does anyone truly believe they will be within the control of Liz Truss, whose weathervaning and largely underachieving career thus far has marked her out as a very ordinary politician indeed?
Marina Hyde bang on the money there.
