Of course they have no answers other than the usual flannel from Truss that somehow giving corporate tax cuts is going to magically help someone trying to exist on Universal Credit and some unspecified ‘help’ from Rishi
Don't worry, Labour will soon come up with some "answers". Then the Tories will be in trouble.
However good those answers will be (and they will be crap) it is irrelevant as far as I know the tories are currently in power.
Don’t worry, Labour will soon come up with some “answers”. Then the Tories will be in trouble.
Well they blatantly nicked their last 'answer' after rubbishing it for months, watered it down (obviously), then sold it to the electorate as their own.
Do you never get bored of bringing everything back to labour? Because Christ only knows, the rest of us are. Can you not keep that to the Keir Starmer thread that the 5 of you are so busy thwapping each other daft in furious agreement on, then the rest of us can avoid it and you?
This is a thread about the Tory leadership contest, lets keep it on topic eh, considering the significance that will have for us all
The inability of the Tory leadership contenders to provide answers cannot somehow in be discussed in isolation with the alternatives, despite your bizarre aversion to ever mentioning the Opposition.
Although intense criticism whilst providing no answers is very much the binners way. Even it would appear, when criticising Tories for not providing answers.
*yawns*
Anything to say on the topic of the Tory leadership then, comrade?
The Keir Starmer lefty moanfest is that way. >>>
Try and keep the noise down, there's a good chap
Anything to say on the topic of the Tory leadership then, comrade?
Erm, quite a lot - I have made my views fairly clear. I don't however see the role of UK Prime Minister in isolation with the opposition that they will be faced with. Why would anyone do that - unless they were somehow embarrassed by the poor quality of the Opposition?
Try and keep the noise down, there’s a good chap
When someone relies on patronising insults it is a fair indication that they lack the confidence to offer a coherent argument.
When are the five or six so-called 'lefty' suspects on here going to break cover and openly admit they quite like the modern Brexity Tories?
The tension is unbearable.
Welcome back Danny, I did wonder how long your declaration of never again frequenting a political thread would last.
Not very long apparently.
Nice of you to reply so quickly, ernietruss.
Don’t worry, Labour will soon come up with some “answers”.
Labour are all on f***** holiday! Not a single one of them has had anything to say in the past 24 hours. Energy prices combined with the tory leadership contest is the biggest open goal they've ever been presented with, and they've decided they can't be arsed. And then when they realise the enormity of it they'll propose something that Truss or Sunak with easily outbid.
She’s an awful public speaker
Just in case you were in any doubt:
(may have been posted already)
Some of it is so cringesome that I had to just look away....
*yawns*
Anything to say on the topic of the Tory leadership then, comrade?
The Keir Starmer lefty moanfest is that way. >>>
Try and keep the noise down, there’s a good chap
Look at the state of this logic - when the 'lefty' Laboury bloke you supported hasn't got any answers to:
a) The worst government of our times
b) Potentially the worst economic melt-down of our times.
To think that's irrelevent to this thread.
The sooner you realise Starmer's failing is linked to the Tories success - the better for all of us.
The tedium is all yours, and circle-jerkery is definitely at home here.
Some of it is so cringesome that I had to just look away….
What can you say to that..... We're doomed, we're doomed.
This is all so frightening to contemplate.
When are the five or six so-called ‘lefty’ suspects on here going to break cover and openly admit they quite like the modern Brexity Tories?
The tension is unbearable.
Centrism masquerading as left-wing has just blown its own cover.
Aren't you constantly leaving threads in a huff?
The inability of the Tory leadership contenders to provide answers cannot somehow in be discussed in isolation with the alternatives, despite your bizarre aversion to ever mentioning the Opposition.
Well because this thread is just a grafity wall for angry centrists coming to terms with their failed market solutions built on a Tory economic model. So when a Tory lets them down - they are let down.
"When are the five or six so-called ‘lefty’ suspects on here going to break cover and openly admit they quite like the modern Brexity Tories?"
I was thinking, what the Tories need is someone who voted Brexit but actually understands the problems involved with regard transport and logistics, administrative workloads etc and knows how to negotiate.
Step forward Mick Lynch..
I was thinking, what the Tories need is someone who voted Brexit but actually understands the problems involved with regard transport and logistics, administrative workloads etc and knows how to negotiate.
Step forward Mick Lynch..
Not going to work as they don't like collective power from the working class.
The Tories have become nothing more than a protest party, rather than win general elections and proceed to implement manifesto commitments they choose to campaign in perpetuity.
They were elected on the platform of getting Brexit done but 'No Deal' means the opposite of getting Brexit done, it means doing nothing.
They instead put all their energies into laws protecting statues and characterise anyone who doesn't agree with them as anti British, threatening to report them to Prevent.
However good those answers will be (and they will be crap) it is irrelevant as far as I know the tories are currently in power.
They could set the bar too high for the Tories to climb?
50 billion bail-out package for ColC ?- supporting payment of bills - in broad strokes. (instead of insulation)
Now there a rumours that Truss might go for this when/if elected. So not much too lose and everything to play for. The public will be on the side of the first party that offers a solution.
I'm assuming the 'no plans to help' line is to appeal to the conservative party membership. once that hurdle is passed she'll pivot.
not helping would strike me as electoral suicide. people won't forget in a hurry
"Not going to work as they don’t like collective power from the working class."
Whoosh...
As they used to say.
I wasn't being serious with the Mick Lynch comment, rather observing the irony that if he were doing Grant Schapps and JRM's job we wouldnt be seeing the queue' s we are seeing at Dover, he would have anticipated the logistical problems and would have planned for them.
He would also have been able to negotiate a better resolution to the Northern Irish border problem, probably recognising that a No Deal was unworkable.
Brexit had nothing to do with Europe, it was a power grab, nothing more than that
I’m assuming the ‘no plans to help’ line is to appeal to the conservative party membership.
A lot of the tory membership are going to suffer from the increase in energy prices, they probably haven't realised it yet and assume it only affects the poor.
not helping would strike me as electoral suicide. people won’t forget in a hurry
Just as Johnson/Sunak realised the enormity of covid and it's potential to collapse the economy, Truss will do the same. The question is whether it'll be too late by then. If however she digs her heels in and decides to take an ideological approach as she's currently suggesting, the govt itself could collapse under the weight of public outrage. It might sound overly dramatic, but this is the stuff of revolutions.
A lot of the tory membership are going to suffer from the increase in energy prices,
everyone is going to suffer
how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?
Whoosh…
As they used to say.
Hard to tell these days. Lol
It might sound overly dramatic, but this is the stuff of
revolutionstutting and eye-rolling.
FTFY
A lot of the tory membership are going to suffer from the increase in energy prices, they probably haven’t realised it yet and assume it only affects the poor.
i think they'd probably wear the price increases than help the poor...
reminded me of this. sentiment is the same...
https://twitter.com/amiiillustrates/status/1349797866173304840
how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?
And the rest! Based on Martin Lewis's comments yesterday, compared to the beginning of this year I'm going to be paying an extra £700 a month. I'm not sure the magnitude of the extra expense has sunk in yet. When it does all hell will break loose.
FTFY
If they do nothing this is going to be way bigger than the poll tax. Truss may well achieve her ambition of emulating Thatcher.
how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?
We have no mains gas in our village.
For some people with only electric heating, it's going to be more than that.
compared to the beginning of this year I’m going to be paying an extra £700 a month
only heat the west wing? 😉
htf do you end up spending £700/month more on gas/electricity?
anyway, if you assume the tory membership is overwhelminly from the top 40% of households by income (this is a corse guess on my behalf), the average income of those households (not individuals) after tax is £50k. an extra £2.5k per year is a 5% drop from that figure, which is signifiant, but I would argue is mostly affordable, for them.
htf do you end up spending £700/month more on gas/electricity?
Old farmhouse with a gas aga (which we're in the process of getting rid of). We were paying £250ish/month on average at the beginning this year. That went up to £500/month in April, and now that's going to go up another 80% so it'll be approaching £900/month I reckon. The last fixed rate quote we got was for £7500 for the year and that looks cheap now. Like I said, I don't think many people have really grasped the impact on their finances.
A lot of the tory membership are going to suffer from the increase in energy prices
I doubt it. Having your heating bill quadruple in price may stop most of us in our tracks… because it was already a large chunk of our outgoings, and we have very little disposable income… not the case for any Conservative Member I know. All too excited about cruises voyages running properly again, and deliberating over when to replace their car that’s only a few years old. They are in the main retired, living in half million pound plus houses and looking into new ways to invest hide away their wealth from a “prying” HRMC.
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Aren’t you constantly leaving threads in a huff?
What's the matter? Is dissonance on his hollibobs, so that you and ernietruss have to have this thread on a five second auto-refresh to pick up the slack?
What’s the matter? Is dissonance on his hollibobs, so that you and ernietruss have to have this thread on a five second auto-refresh to pick up the slack?
🙂
My partner has a 2 bed flat in London that was built in the mid 2000's that was about a thousand square foot.
Underfloor heating, poor insulation and the electricity bills were about £250 a month 10 years ago! We have the worst constructed and insulated housing stock in Europe. Nearly all the new builds in Manchester where I live now are just as bad.
I am currently stood on my 7th floor balcony looking at thousands of properties in South Manchester, half red brick, half new build and I can't see a single solar panel.
My partner has been renting out the aforementioned property for the last 3 years thank god.
Brexit had nothing to do with Europe, it was a power grab, nothing more than that
Can I repeat my oft-repeated comment?
"Brexit isn't the destination, it's the vehicle"
how many people can afford an extra £200+ a month to heat their homes this winter?
The majority?
We have no mains gas in our village.
We're on oil, the rises have hit us already:
2020 £1075
2021 £1480
2022 £1941 and still another 'fill' to go, so circa £3000 in total
Oh, and firewood was 15% dearer this year than last too.
My Mum who's next door is all electric, over £100 per week last winter - double it for this winter and it'd take her entire State Pension to cover it.
18 months ago:
Wife and I on double income
No kids
Fixed rate mortgage
£100 a month energy bills
Now:
I work
We have young twins
Wife doesn't work
Childcare costs (x 2)
Fixed rate mortgage deal ending soon
Energy Bills +£500/month in October at an estimate
We live in a nice house. We earned and worked for it. Our outgoings are greater than our earnings. The only option we realistically see is to sell our house and downsize significantly. There is no help for people like us.
You describe the perfect storm edward2000.
I can see energy prices having a knock on effect in the housing market.
You have also described why our birth rate is so low, as having children is more financially perilous than at virtually any time in history.
Still, we've got to ensure that that triple lock pension is preserved at all costs.
I assume you knew how expensive kids are before choosing to have them? I agree that energy prices are rising at a ridiculous rate but your decision to have kids was always going to make life a lot more expensive and impact on earnings.
I can see energy prices having a knock on effect in the housing market.
They will have an effect on everything if nothing is done. This is how economies collapse. And by collapse I don't mean recession, job losses, lower wages etc, I mean complete collapse. Devalutation of the currency, disappearance of savings and pensions, collapse in property prices, millions of bankruptcies, 20%+ unemployment etc. It's depression era stuff.
Wife doesn’t work
Childcare costs (x 2)
There's a simple answer to that assuming there's not something about your circumstances that we don't currently understand.
I assume you knew how expensive kids are before choosing to have them?
Not many people plan to have twins. Besides, if what you're saying is that this country is too expensive for normal people to raise a family, then that in itself proves that the govt and politicians as a whole have completely failed in their responsibilities.
That depends what they regard their responsibilities as being, surely?
Liz seems to think that her priority at the moment is protecting corporate profits and dividends to shareholders, in which case she appears to be succeeding massively
That depends what they regard their responsibilities as being, surely?
I would've thought providing an economy in which people can afford to have kids is fairly high up the list, even for tories.
