Just heard on Newsnight that they’ve ‘deleyed’ sending out ballots for another week due to some unspecified ‘security’ issue.. if you believe that.
Perhaps they looked into the overseas members ability to vote and got a bit nervous?
The poll, carried out over the last five days, shows that Ms Truss is now ahead of Mr Sunak among all age groups, across different parts of the country and with men and women.
The only category where he beats Ms Truss is among Tory Remain supporters.
Well that's interesting, the only category where a commited Tory brexiteer beats a Tory rival who actively campaigned for Remain is among Tory Remain supporters.
There really are no certainties in politics.
Sky News: Liz Truss extends poll lead over Rishi Sunak after public sector pay plan U-turn.
https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-extends-poll-lead-over-rishi-sunak-after-public-sector-pay-plan-u-turn-12664419
Is Truss being "pragmatic' with her political choices to gain the favour of her members?
Hissy fits all-round from Dunt and co.
I suppose thats something good about her , if
youher supporters dont like one of her policies. she will do a complete 180 on them pretty quickly!
FTFY.
Is Truss being “pragmatic’ with her political choices to gain the favour of her members?
I think Starmer would claim it was more than just pragmatic:
Keir Starmer has said that changing his views is key to political success
They really are both completely awful.
I am old enough to remember when Theresa May was elected and she at least seemed competent and in touch with reality.
Yep, Theresa May seems like the high water mark now
Yep, Theresa May seems like the high water mark now
It's illustrative that supposed centre-left liberal types on here are so enthusiastic about previous tory leaders. How long before you're longing for the good old days of Johnson and Sunak? With every new lurch to the right you lot blindly follow them to the point where previous right wingers are acceptable. It's quite pathetic TBH.
Theresa May wasn't a high water mark, or competent and 'in touch with reality'. She was cold-hearted empathy free authoritarian who like Truss manouevred herself into a job way beyond her ability with predictably disastrous results.
It’s illustrative that supposed centre-left liberal types on here are so enthusiastic about previous tory leaders.
There's a difference between "enthusiastic" and remembering that actually the worst you could level at Cameron was ideological differences and that he may have put his doodahh in a dead pig.
I'd take Cameron and Osborne austerity over a cabinet that want's to deport people to 3rd countries and privatize C4 (on top of austerity). That's not enthusiasm.
High water mark is just totally the wrong expression tbh, so I'm wondering if that's what Kerley really means?
I’d take Cameron and Osborne austerity over a cabinet that want’s to deport people to 3rd countries and privatize C4
Yup, Cameron didn't deport people to a 3rd country, just back to the countries they fled from. Despite condemnation from the United Nations high commissioner for refugees.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/09/david-cameron-iraqi-asylum-seekers-deportation
And Cameron had a long record of hostility towards refugees:
"PM has faced criticism on several previous occasions for his choice of language to describe refugees and migrants"
I think some people have very selective memories about a very nasty and very right-wing Tory prime minister.
And btw I too am appalled that C4 will be privatised. I won't however be losing any sleep over it - I can think of far worse things to worry about. And I suspect that most people probably weren't even aware that C4 is currently a nationalised broadcaster.
the worst you could level at Cameron was ideological differences
Nope, the worst I can personally level at him is that his government stole my pension and even though I pay more, I will get less than I signed up to and even if I work longer to make up the difference I will still be penalised in other ways.
I don't necessarily think he did it on purpose, more that him and his pals couldn't be bothered to actually look in to the detail of what they decided to force through and ignored those that tried to warn them.
more that him and his pals couldn’t be bothered to actually look in to the detail of what they decided to force through and ignored those that tried to warn them
We’ll that’s very much set the tone for everything that’s followed, hasn’t it?
I see Instagram Liz is about as much of a ‘details’ person as Johnson. They essential see themselves as PR people. Just announce some mental, completely implausible new policy, on the hoof, without any consultation or research, then either do a screeching u-turn within days, or just quietly forget about it and hope everybody else does too
In some ways we should be thankful that they’ve absolutely zero interest in seeing through any of the totally hatstand ‘policies’ they announce on a daily basis
Imagine if one of these unhinged Brexiteer bastards actually really, really wanted to make this insane shit a reality?
It’s taken a while, but my prediction is finally coming true… the shift away from renewables, and towards even more reliance on fossil fuels, is finally playing its part in this leadership campaign…
https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1554582564559622145?s=21
It's almost like the tory members don't believe in climate change isn't it. Or maybe they don't care as it is not directly impacting them (just as they don't care about anything else along the same lines)
Even ignoring climate change, if people can't now see that reliance on fossil fuels is bad (gas and petrol) in the current situation then what is going through their heads?
Even ignoring climate change, if people can’t now see that reliance on fossil fuels is bad (gas and petrol) in the current situation then what is going through their heads?
Purely selfish thoughts.
kelvin
Full MemberIt’s taken a while, but my prediction is finally coming true… the shift away from renewables, and towards even more reliance on fossil fuels, is finally playing its part in this leadership campaign…
Unfortunately I can't read the article due to the paywall, but I did get a chuckle from this in the twitter thread, what a clown.
https://twitter.com/DogsBarker/status/1554739580087181312
I think she wants more women in prison for non payment
Liz Truss is the best sleeper agent for Scottish independence we could ever wish for
As a drop in here - the MPC / BoE voted for 0.5% rise to 1.75% for those interested.
Should cause a bump ot two. Let's see how the Tories shift away from any sort of responsibilty.
The BOE is independent you know to cripple us.
Increasing interest rates will of course lower energy bills and make more food available. 🙂
Liz Truss is the best sleeper agent for Scottish independence we could ever wish for
Perhaps that's her long term aim!
The answer to who will be our next PM is of course Alex Jones
Can’t see him being more incompetent than the others and he would be alot more entertaining at least
The answer to who will be our next PM is of course Alex Jones
Can’t see him being more incompetent than the others and he would be alot more entertaining at least
From the One Show?? Entertaining??
Liz Truss is the best sleeper agent for Scottish independence we could ever wish for
Aren't sleeper agents meant to be aware of the fact that they are sleeper agents, though?
More of a useful idiot
Aren’t sleeper agents meant to be aware of the fact that they are sleeper agents
I like to think she is still a deep cover libdem anti monarchy activist.
Liz Truss is the best sleeper agent for Scottish independence we could ever wish for
She has certainly moved my 'on the fence' position to 'Yes to independence'.
I guess she isn't that bothered about increasing the tory vote in Wales either:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-62415842
(All those issues have been rehearsed and didn't seem to help the Tories at the last Senedd elections.)
Eta and if Drakeford is a Corbynite... he didn't do so badly. But of course he isn't, and it is a bit late to brand him as one now.
The idea of Drakeford being a Corbynite is utterly ludicrous.
Drakeford and Corbyn were politically close.
Imagine if Liz spent as much time thinking about policy as she did planning which outfit to wear for her next photo op?
Sadly there’s little chance of that
Priorities and all that…
How much time do you think Starmer spends thinking about policies? He's been over two years in the job and all he has to offer is a "clean slate". He appears to be far more focused on expelling members of his own party.
In contrast Truss appears to be spending a lot of time thinking about policy, it is probably fair to say that I disagree with all of it.
Imagine if there was an imposition leader who offered significantly different, alternative, policies?
Sadly there’s little chance of that
Priorities and all that…
Your obsessed with Starmer, aren't you Ernie? Your ability to shoe horn him in to every thread you litter is impressive.
Yet when called out on it he gets very shirty
Don't go on the Corbyn thread and mention Ukraine cos he's missed Jezza's interviews
🤦
Your ability to shoe horn him in to every thread you litter is impressive.
Thank you that's kind. As leader of the official Opposition Starmer will soon be Truss's opposite number, so I think it is important to remind people that there is actually an opposition - Starmer doesn't like to draw too much attention to himself so people could easily forget.
Getting back to Truss ..... she has all the policies - but not necessarily the correct ones.
If only there was someone to point that out to voters?
Yet when called out on it he gets very shirty
Not at all. I am very happy that my tireless work reminding people that Starmer exists is recognised 😊
Edit: To be fair I think binners had completely forgotten about Starmer when he accused Liz Truss of not thinking of policies.
Imagine that - a Starmer fan accusing a soon to be Tory leader of not thinking of policies!
I think all you do is annoy people.
I work with lots of people like you, great at pointing out the obvious in an oh so pithy style but absolutely zero to offer in terms of solutions.
It's annoying when someone messes up an echo chamber by offering a different perspective? Yeah I can understand that.
but absolutely zero to offer in terms of solutions.
I regularly express my views, they just don't happen to coincide with right-wing opinions, Tory or Blairite.
Or was the 'offering no solution' a sly dig at Starmer?
Edit: Btw if you find criticism of Starmer annoying just imagine how annoyed you would be if a couple of Tory supporters posted on this thread.
Nearly 1500 posts on a thread discussing who the next leader of the Conservative Party will be and as far as I know there hasn't been a single post from a Tory supporter.
I think mefty was the last to leave stw and he must have shut the door behind him.
It’s illustrative that supposed centre-left liberal types on here are so enthusiastic about previous tory leaders.
Hardly enthusiastic, I though May was horrendous and a typical evil tory ****.
But in retrospect her and Cameron were better options than Johnson or Sunak/Truss, that is all. Don't try and read things into it which I haven't said.
Nearly 1500 posts on a thread discussing who the next leader of the Conservative Party will be and as far as I know there hasn’t been a single post from a Tory supporter.
Is that because they don't actually want to face up to tough questions about the way they think society should be and what the Tory party delivers for us or maybe just because they don't care/can't be bothered to have to deal with it or think about it.
Same with the brexiters on a Brexit thread, they can't defend their stupidity so they just leave the thread.
because they don’t actually want to face up to tough questions
Nah, people like mefty or BignDaft clearly have complete conviction in their political opinions. The reason they don't post anymore I have no doubt is because of the extreme level of intolerance on what many clearly want to maintain as a echo chamber of like-minded people.
They haven't left stw because they feel that they have "lost the argument", you can be sure of that.
Tories now openly admit stealing from the poor to give to the rich...
https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1555476253045673987
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To be fair it is Sunak who is far more right-wing than some people on here give him credit for, and he was talking to Tories in Tunbridge Wells.
Conservatives from Tunbridge Wells appear to particularly disgusting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgusted_of_Tunbridge_Wells
Soon as anyone says anything against the popular majority on here they just get shouted down.
The rhetoric in some of these threads is horrific.
Any way at the moment regardless of which colour or who gets to redecorate number 10 we are just passengers in this global mess
They haven’t left stw because they feel that they have “lost the argument”, you can be sure of that.
I didn't suggest they felt they lost the argument, I was suggesting that they didn't want to try and defend the shit the tory party gets up to, which is a shame as be good to see the thinking behind why they think what the tories do is good.
Same with Brexit, just give me 3 positives from Brexit now it has largely happened. People can't do it so they go quiet on it.
