So on the back of someone breaking in to someone's house thread what would we do with these scrotes? What actual purpose do they serve in society? Hopefully the one with the hammer was the one breaking in to the old boys house.
He had long enough to boil the kettle and put some sugar in. That would have dealt with the problem in a decisive manner.
We had one in the prison I worked in, serial bike thief.
Typical piece of shit but I had to remain 'professional'
It's shit but not a lot ppl can do apart from fall back on insurance. If he had poured boiling water on them it probably wouldn't have done much other than provoke them into doing more damage and potentially coming back for some return visits putting bricks through house windows etc. Even a quick police response probably wouldn't have helped as they were on bikes (presumably stolen) so would likely have gotten away without being identified.
Sometimes I think countries like Saudi Arabia may be on the right track when it comes to punishing thieves...
It's a problem for sure.. I have absolutely no idea what the solution is though.
I'd get a house with a garage.
That’s some pretty blatant thieves right there who were armed with a potential weapon and quite a few of them, not easy to tackle.
He had long enough to boil the kettle and put some sugar in. That would have dealt with the problem in a decisive manner.
Yeah it would have taken them ages to clean their bike helmets
I suppose the solution involves eliminating social and economic inequality. The culture that surrounds theft and it’s relative acceptability also needs to be changed. One would expect to find a relationship between those two points. What we see in that video are symptoms. Punishment deals only with symptoms of a problem, and violent punishment by the State serves only to expand the first point on s/e inequality. It also condones extreme violence and presents it as reasonable. There can be no solution until the problem, and its extent, is identified.
I do believe the police can not give chase any more if they remove their helmets or are helmetless to start with. It's just the **** you attitude in that video that did me. I can't steal your bike but **** you I'll cause you some grief anyway. Utter utter ****ers that need a good hiding, I can't think of any other way to stop them. That's probably a huge no no on here but I'm lost as to what else they need.
I suppose the solution involves eliminating social and economic inequality.
They could've been rich kids doing it for a laugh. I knew kids at school who would go "robbing" for the buzz.
I wouldn't lose any sleep if something happened to them, break their fingers/wrists perhaps
Typical piece of shit but I had to remain ‘professional’
It had to look like an accident?
Introduce Castle Laws like Texas......expand self defense to the protection of property as well.
I would like to thank Teresa may for cutting the police to the bare bones.
Cutting police spending by a quarter will help I'm sure
A tin of paint out of the window would have helped identify them.
What would happen if you saw that while chopping veg in your kitchen?
You then went out with the knife and after being threatened with a hammer you stabbed the thief?
Pretty brazen, still only stuff though .
Stop the war on drugs. Most theft is done to fund drug habits
still only stuff though.
Completely get where you’re coming from, but ‘stuff’ = money = time spent earning = life that you’re not going to get back. And if you’re buzzing around on a moped, there’s a fair chance that that moped is worth a lot of worked hours. I don’t suppose many people own a moped as a lifestyle choice, they own one because it’s the most cost effective way to get about, when you are of limited means.
pretty shitty crime really.
Like many thieves, I’m pretty certain they do it because it’s a relatively easy way to get hold of nice stuff without actually needing to earn the money necessary to go and buy them.
Sure, drugs are one motive, but greed and laziness are another, the “oh, I like that, but I can’t be arsed to work, so I’ll just take it” attitude. Runs second to wanton vandalism, “ I can’t steal it, so if I can’t have it, they can’t”, so it gets smashed up.
Most theft is done to fund drug habits
I'd agree with that Jeremy, from a matter of experience!
But do we let everyone turn into smackrats?
It's a personal choice but I choose to go on the offensive (immediately) and to be blunt I am a horrible piece of work in these situations.
I don't shout or engage I simply get stuck in and it frightens the shit out of the scumbags and I am happy to take the consequences either way.
I am not a "hard" man I just understand how people react when physically attacked.
Folks we all need to step up a bit, these "people" are not used to being challenged physically without any prior "vebal" interaction.
I am not a “hard” man I just understand how people react when physically attacked.
Now, I wouldn't be suprised if there are a few types like this on here - after there will be a fair few who are here because they are thrill seekers and fall into the "fight" as opposed to "flight" response.
Remember though, getting the first punch in on drunken idiots who aren't used to fighting isn't the same ballgame as picking a fight with someone who has the balls to break into your house. Just remember that and stay safe. You're all a good bunch really and I know your bikes are your babies, but people will use hammers, icepicks etc - so please be careful.
Make sure that your loved ones are safe, first and foremost - and don't needlessly risk ending up being a statistic if you're a family man, pick your battles wisely.
Chain saw and they would clear off just be more mental than them !
In a 'situation' I reckon my 1st words could be, 'I recognise you from C wing you ****ing prick'
This could turn out to be true.
It’s a personal choice but I choose to go on the offensive (immediately)...
I like your style. Sometimes there's just nothing to say.
Never had a problem with anyone drunk and would never bother someone who is simply pissed.
Most humans are programmed roughly the same way, every altercation i have had has been stone cold sober, middle of the day situations.
The last one was when three 18 to 20 year old lads threw away their Terrys chocolate orange boxes walking down the local high street, I picked them up and asked the lads to put it in the bin. I was promptly told to **** off or they would batter me? One ended up on his arse wondering why his nose was broken and the other two ran away.
I don't doubt one day I will get hurt, but I can not walk away.
4 people armed with hammers and angle grinder - wading in fist flying is not my initial response
I dont see that you can do much more than what they did. Hurl abuse whist waiting for plod. Let them take my things if they get the chain off. its not worth dying for or killing for as its insured. Would i be happy of course not but there are few people who can be confident of winning that exchange.
FWIW the only time i caught someone attempting to steal my property [ car they broke into by smashing drivers window with a brick setting off the alarm] three important things happened
1. I put the crowbar down as I walked over - I was working on something so using it at the time but i dd not want to go out tooled up.
2. I calmly restrained the heroin addict with the assistance of a neighbour and called plod
3. Plod arrived amazed he was uninjured and offered to drive off and come back in 5 minutes time - it was clear what they were suggesting. We declined
Basically I did what I advise others to do . Obey the law and injure no one unless you have to because you are under imminent danger. He posed zero threat to me and was many things but handy or big was not amongst them.
Last incident I had was a bloke beating a small (and not at all threatening) dog with a golf club. I didn't say a word until afterwards.
Strangely I did actually end up regretting that one as he turned out to be a policeman and I could have hurt him far more by other means, hindsight eh? EDIT (missus had photo evidence and there was a witness)
Like oldman said, I don't see myself as hard and I'm certainly not trying to boast. It's just a different way of doing things. Put me in a confrontational situation via letter/email like a legal battle and I've got nothing, I just don't have the confidence etc. to fight that way. It's just different is all.
still only stuff though .
Spoken like a man who's never been on the receiving end. It's not the "stuff," it's the violation.
I don’t doubt one day I will get hurt, but I can not walk away.
This is kind of me. I'm ten stone wet through but have no sense of personal safety. I have no doubts that it'll get me killed at some point.
I suppose the solution involves eliminating social and economic inequality
Totally agree. However that is much too difficult and would have an impact on the better off so let's just lock them up or cut off their hands as it makes people feel better.
To be fair you'd struggle to use a 4" grinder with no hands so perhaps that's the answer. In fact you'd probably struggle to subsequently ride the bike so yeah, let's get chopping!
I don’t doubt one day I will get hurt, but I can not walk away.
you broke someone's nose over a terry's chocolate orange box? would that exchange have been worth 15 years of your life?
giving someone a broken nose is one thing, but people can and do die in these situations.
guy did the right thing there as there were four of them but you can't identify them. Bikes they were on were probably stolen too.
I suppose the solution involves eliminating social and economic inequality. The culture that surrounds theft and it’s relative acceptability also needs to be changed. One would expect to find a relationship between those two points. What we see in that video are symptoms. Punishment deals only with symptoms of a problem, and violent punishment by the State serves only to expand the first point on s/e inequality. It also condones extreme violence and presents it as reasonable. There can be no solution until the problem, and its extent, is identified.
There is clearly some truth in this. I think it's also fair to say there are a sizable chunk of folk who are exposed through the media to 'celebs' living a lifestyle beyond normal people's means and living day to day in a world of cleverly marketed consumerism that breeds a sense of entitlement and necessity. And to some that false gap between need and perceived and cultivated want can be solved instantly and painlessly by nicking it from others. To reiterate it is not normal to thieve from others. The overwhelming majority of people in low socio-economic groups and with mediocre prospects don't resort to this. We have to be very careful not to excuse the behaviour of the few because of societies inequity. Besides, there is still plenty of crime in the chattering classes; it's just they are a bit brighter and have more opportunity to do it in slicker and less in your face ways. It's as much about how people are wired and their moral compass.
I suppose the solution involves eliminating social and economic inequality. The culture that surrounds theft and it’s relative acceptability also needs to be changed. One would expect to find a relationship between those two points. What we see in that video are symptoms. Punishment deals only with symptoms of a problem, and violent punishment by the State serves only to expand the first point on s/e inequality. It also condones extreme violence and presents it as reasonable. There can be no solution until the problem, and its extent, is identified.
I find myself agreeing with this.
Round 'em up, put 'em in a field and bomb the bastards.
Folks we all need to step up a bit, these “people” are not used to being challenged physically without any prior “vebal” interaction.
I think this was OK advice 20+ years ago but in the current climate of senseless stabbings and acid attacks etc. I just don't think it's worth the risk - especially in this situation with 4 blokes, at least one of them with a hammer and with added protection of crash helmets. I'm 6ft and 16st but no chance am I physically confronting them and hoping it's enough to scare them off without them attacking me first.
This is kind of me. I’m ten stone wet through but have no sense of personal safety. I have no doubts that it’ll get me killed at some point.
Oh well, you win some you lose some.
All the people saying "oh but it's social inequality's fault, they're victims of society not subhuman little scrotes" miss the point that plenty of us here and out in the real world grew up on the poor/underprivileged end of the scale and didn't resort to feral behaviour & theft. We learned that if we wanted something, we worked hard to get it.
Stop excusing these little rats - carrot is the wrong approach, they need a bit of stick and put some fear back. At the moment, gangs like these actively mock the police and authorities (see the recent Bristol bike takers) as they feel untouchable.
I’m ten stone wet through but have no sense of personal safety. I have no doubts that it’ll get me killed at some point.
Serious question what monetary value are you putting on your own life? £10 property £100? £1000? What value do you think those who will miss you when you are dead will think "well it was worth him dying for that"?
which is a fair point, but beating the crap out of them is unlikely to teach them a lesson other than 'get stabby first, ask questions later'.
edit @ andy's comment.
Stop excusing these little rats
Identifying abstract influences, separate from individual responsibility, does not excuse individual responsibility. It certainly doesn't miss any 'point'. You have a somewhat narrow, blinkered view of the question. What do you think the question is?
Serious question what monetary value are you putting on your own life? £10 property £100? £1000? What value do you think those who will miss you when you are dead will think “well it was worth him dying for that”?
You seem to be under the misapprehension that there's a rational thought process involved here.
Besides, as I said before, it's not about the 'stuff', it's a violation. A complete stranger is in your home, going through your things and your life. It's hard to explain if you've not experienced it, it left me scarred for years.