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Assuming he's found guilty.
we can only hope. I would love to see that arrogant **** bought down a peg or two
Who is he and what has he supposed to have done?
The video looked quite incriminating to me. I bet he gets off though.
For a racist comment? Nope. Fine / suspension/ something like
apparently his defence is that he can't be a racist as he's slept with Drogba's wife!
There's a wideo of this? Linky anyone?
Crikey! Never expected to see language like that on the guardian website! 😯
Apparently he is proclaiming how Anton Ferdinand is not a Blind so & so
No wideo on that link. 😕
EDIT: Sorry, there was no video on the mobile site. Talking out my arse again.
Fans can get banned from a club for the same thing, why shouldn't the same standards be applied to Terry?
The key part of the footage, where the England captain said he shouted "Oi, Anton, I never said …", is obscured by Ashley Cole walking across the camera shot.
Aye aye whatever...
There is a video on there DD
DD - follow the link to video linky 🙂
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2011/oct/24/john-terry-anton-ferdinand-video
I just watched it, maybe it's ad blocked or not loading?
😳
See my I'm-an-idiot edit above.
warton - Member
we can only hope. I would love to see that arrogant **** bought down a peg or two
Agree doubt you be seeing him trying that off the pitch.
Whatever, he's got a real stonker of a nose
This is how its gonna play out -
Anton speaks to Warnock who in turn speaks to Chelsea.
Anton agrees not to press charges against Terry.
Anton moves to Chelsea at the end of the season for an massively over inflated transfer fee to boost the QPR coffers with a large increase in salary over what QPR pay him.
It's a win win for all parties as Chelsea get to sweep it under the carpet by throwing money at it. QPR get a transfer price for Anton above his true value. Anton gets an increase in his earnings over the next 2,3 or 4 years.
Sadly money talks 🙄
Where are the folks to claim it's not racist?
White ct = OK
Black ct = Racist.
Explain?
Bois had a little slagging off match, get over it. I mean, I'm yellow should I run to mommy every time someone calls me f-g P***y or call police?
Honestly, I'm lost for words.
any use of race in/as an insult is racist.
but for me the key point here is what CaptJon said
CaptJon - MemberFans can get banned from a club for the same thing, why shouldn't the same standards be applied to Terry?
Clubs/FA can't have it both ways and not ban players no matter how well paid or good
But it's EBJT!
Hmm, the video might look bad, but maybe that's cos we're imagining him saying what he's reported as saying. What if we watched it without knowing the context? Would we be thinking the same thing?
I'd never defend a racist, and if he's guilty then he should be sacked and banned (as should Luis Suarez who is facing a similar charge, and I'm a Liverpool fayn...).
Thing is though, no complaint has bin made by Anton Nerdifand as far as I know, just by 'a member of the public via email'.
Unless other players (of both sides) come forward and say that they heard Terry say owt, which I can't see happening, then this will undoubtedly blow over, regardless of what the police might have to say. Without audio you simply cannot prove anything at all.
Regarding the Suarez 'incident'; again, I'd never defend a racist, but this situation is muddied somewhat by the fact that Evra has made allegations in the past, none of which have ever amounted to any action being taken. There's no video evidence in this case, no 'member of the public making an allegation', no other players backing him up, just Evra's word. Again, I'd be very surprised if that came to owt.
Nasty business though all of it. If the allegations are true, proven or otherwise, then that's just wrong. If the allegations by Evra particularly are untrue, then that's just as bad in my book.
Life time ban for performance enhancing drugs, not for calling somebody a black barstuward.
with Terry's past behaviour exhibiting a resounding lack of respect, politeness or manners for others it is easy to assume he is guilty. I watch that video and feel sure he was being pretty badly behaved...probably far worse. I suspect it won't be 'proven' though and he will get off. That is a shame. I'm sure I'm not the only one who likes football less and less these days aas so many top players display such awful behaviour.
Damn elf I might have to agree with you (both JT & Suarez)..but hey dont get carried away now ok..it may be a while before it happens again..
As for a lifetime ban? Spot the haterz..as the kids would say..
White ct = OK
Black ct = Racist.
This is so true. Double standards abound in society today.
I watched that without knowing what he was "alleged to have said" and, frankly what I came up with matched what the Guardian came up with. I agree with CaptJohn and Wrecker.
I'm not really into football. But I do see the news ocasionally and understand the whole "Kick racism out of football" thing. So, why should it be any different on the pitch than it is off it?
I think he says "you f****n bike c**t, f****n joplin"
Saw this on Sunday. As much as I loathe "Big Man" Terry, I really don't find anything conclusive in the evidence collated thus far. Would love to see the book thrown at him though. But the FA will likely bottle it, just like they did when Shearer had a touchline scrap (mid 90's?) when England captain and got away with it. That really pissed me off.
I think this was it:
White ct = OK
Black ct = Racist.
This is so true. Double standards abound in society today.
Eh? What on [i]Earth[/i] are you on about? 😕
i don't see how 'black c**t' (if that's what he said, not 'blind c**t') is in itself racist. If I said 'northern c**t' I wouldn't consider that racist either. its just descriptive. Racism applies to discrimination. Whilst the language isn't overly clever, it does not infer that someone believes someone else is 'less able' than someone else due to their race.
i don't see how 'black c**t' (if that's what he said, not 'blind c**t') is in itself racist.
Well, there you go, eh?
Isn't life strange...
Stranger by the day.
Its using "black" as an insult hence its racist
Could he not just be banned for being crap? Watch the World Cup 'highlights' for all the evidence you'll ever need.
Black as a descriptive term in itself is not racist. My brother in law is from Antigua, and describes himself as black, so i do the same. Likewise the Music of Black origin (MOBO) is a self given term. Saying my BiL is black is no more racist than saying my ex Boss is welsh.
But, in the [i]context[/i] of the clip (and let's for now assume it is what was said) - yes that is racist even though it's not discriminatory per se.
However, the fact is also true that to call someone a welsh C or a ginger C, while equally descriptive is not seen as being as offensive and that's because of scores of years of oversensitivity to this issue.
also +1 for banning him for being a horrible man and an overated footballer.
sorry - an edit based on re-reading
oversensitivity does not come across well. i don't mean that the black white antagonism that exists still today in some sections of society have been overstated. I mean that there are still issues with using black as a descriptive term because some people are worried how it would come across. Little Britain had a character based on it, my mum's the same. If she was in a crowded room of entirely white faces and my BiL and someone asked her which one was Tony she'd almost certainly try to pick him out without reference to the most distinguishing feature that would make it obvious, because to her using his skin colour to differentiate him in that scenario might be seen as racist.
White ct = OK
Black ct = Racist.This is so true. Double standards abound in society today.
No it isn't. It's a power thing, relating to the subordinate relationship that black people have had with white people over hundreds of years. 'Black' resonates, it works as an insult because of the historical power balance in the relationship 'white' doesn't mean dick as an insult, really.
After all the threads on STW over the years are we now back at the point where we're explaining to the unenlightened that there's a difference between "White " and "Black *"? Really?
*facepalms*
I prefer 'honky.'
If its true (what was said) I personally feel he should receive a lifetime ban. There are alot of meat-head fans and it wont change their mindset but maybe, just maybe it may get to the younger/impressionable fans.
deadlydarcy - Member
After all the threads on STW over the years are we now back at the point where we're explaining to the unenlightened that there's a difference between "White " and "Black *"? Really?*facepalms*
Depressing, isn't it.
deadlydarcy - Member
After all the threads on STW over the years are we now back at the point where we're explaining to the unenlightened that there's a difference between "White " and "Black *"? Really?*facepalms*
seriously ? there are people out there who think there's a difference ?
they're obviously a white person that's never been on the wrong end of racism. doesn't suprise me though, hardly a hotbed of multi cultural experience on here is it 🙄
Whatever.
But, can anyone lip read to see that John Terry says something racist? I'm reasonably good at lip reading, admittedly it helps if someone is facing me, and I can't see anything racist.
Add to that (yes I know Terry doesn't respect his team mates all the time), that Cole is pretty close to him too... do you really think he said something?