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Another theist/atheist thread.
Yawn.
Believe what you want to believe.
Just stop preaching.
Please.
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It's not pointless.
I'm winding up xtians. 🙂
Good HMHB references:
[i]If Jesus came to Earth today
They’d crucify him straight away
Upon a cross of MDF
And they’d use No Need For Nails[/i]
(From 'Upon Westminster Bridge' on 'Achtung Bono')
Andy
any more jokes coming ? otherwise, can someone put this thread out of its misery...
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Not all religious people are ignorant and narrow minded. Maybe they have an interpretation of faith that hasn't occurred to some of you atheists?
I've got some news for you folk, listen carefully.
1) Some people are ignorant and narrow minded
2) Some people are intelligent
3) Some people are atheists
4) Some people are religious.
Of these, only 3) and 4) are mutually exclusive.
Or, to put it another way, there's no link between religion and stupidity. Stupid people will be stupid regardless of whether nor not they are religious.
You are confusing stupid religious people with religious people. People who bang on about creationism or christian science etc etc are being somewhat dim imo, not all religious people are like that.
Life is much better with an open mind.
It's not pointless.
I'm winding up xtians
Were you bullied at school?
Bassspine, that reminds me of a Salvador Dali painting:
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Talkemada, there's good evidence that thats NOT a Salvador Dali painting, though he did the background.
Really? I hadn't heard that. Be interested to find out more, actually.
I've got a book on him with that on the bloody cover! 😯
"Life is much better with an open mind. "
The mind of a child, or a scientist.
Dawkins reminds me of Paul before his conversion on the way to Damascus. But will he see the light?
BTW. The only problem with an open mind is that your brain can fall out.
Actually Judas spent the money on beer at the offy- it was Judas's carry out
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I shouldn't, but I had to LOL!
I'm probably going to Hell now. Thank you sweepy. 🙁
Talkemada, when I first saw that painting in The Weege, my first thought was 'the figure on the cross was a completely different style to the background, much less clumsily handled than the rest of Dali's usual figurework...'
I felt pretty smug when there were News stories out last year claiming that it was indeed painted by one of his assistants (though the idea itself was Dali's)
Yes, I see what you mean, and have always thought it an 'unusual' Dali painting (IE it's not as mental as most of his other stuff). I suppose it's a bit like quite a number of works by the Great Masters; many of them used assistants to do the boring bits. Strange that the main focal point of the painting would be done by an assistant though.
There doesn't seem to be definitive confirmation that this is the case, however, so maybe I can continue to 'believe' it is Dali's work after all...
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The man was, indisputably, a genius, however.
Really? I admit to being an art cretin but with the exception of the Chupa Chups wrapper, his stuff all seems to be a bit samey. Ooh, look at me, it's a butterfly with an ashtray for an arse...
Can you explain to me the "religious motivation " of WWI and WWII?
Yeah - also the religious motivations of the Falklands, Vietnam, Korean Wars; Soviet occupation of Afghanistan...
Dali: Good but not great.
Religious motivation for war: Red herring - in my view, even the obvious religious wars were [b]motivated[/b] by greed with religion used to [u]justify[/u] it to the masses.
Historical evidence for the resurrection: Rot. There is none, certainly nothing credible. But then again, they can't really claim to have a religion based on faith [b][i]and[/i][/b] have evidence.
Those paintings up there are a bunch of arse.
Those paintings up there are a bunch of arse.
😕 A "bunch of arse" ?
Tsk tsk ............how do these Tesco Shoppers manage to get on this forum ? 😐
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Here's a [i]"bunch of arse"[/i] for you mate :
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You can keep your Tesco you cheeky mofo. Aldi all the way.
Talkemada - Member
Live and let live, eh folks?
I would live & let live if these relgious buggers would STFU and stop trying to preach and shoving [u]their[/u] beliefs in my face, don't knock on my door! FFS.
I feel better now! 😆
if red wine is the blood of jesus, what is white wine?
More importantly, what is cheese sauce?
and if bread is the flesh of jesus, what is a sausage sandwich?
Ffs, someone go and own Judas with bombers!!??
all this nonsense over a silly joke.
get a sense of humour folks
here's another one.
Kevin Keegan, Kenny Dalglish & Jesus sat by the Sea of Galilee.
Jesus walks out onto the surface of the lake and then back again. "Follow that" he says to Dalglish. "Nae bother" says Dalglish, and walks out onto the lake surface, does a bit of keepy uppy, then comes back.
"Your turn Kev" says Dalglish. Keegan walks out but the water just gets higher & higher up his legs, then his torso, but still he keeps going "I'll show them I'm no quitter" he splutters, as the water goes over his head
"Do you think we should tell him about the stepping stones?" Jesus asks Dalglish.
"What stepping stones" says Dalglish
I know, it's as old as the hills but then it is [i]a joke[/i]
Thats no' bad 😀
It's not the jokes that are offensive, it's the comments such as 'religion is a form of mental illness' that are. What's with the current rash of anti religion posts on here? It seems as though there are at least a couple posted every day, and even the ones that start out light hearted (such as this one, oddly enough) are quickly hi-jacked and used as a forum in which to openly insult people who have some form of 'faith'. As someone posted earlier, not all religious 'types' are stupid, as not all athiests are intelligent. Neither are niceness and ****tishness dependant on religious beliefs or the lack of same. Give it a rest, because its becoming tedious and repetitive.
Ooh, bottoms....
Sorry, what was the question?
Right, nobody touched his easter eggs. Party's over.
Tic...toc...Still waiting for Phoenix to explain the religious grounding behind ww1 and 2...I had always thought WW1 was down to the domino effect of the alliance system(finally.)Still,why not make wild claims about Christianity's all prevading influence on the world,if it makes you feel better.
One point about these frequent threads is that we(the Christians) come across as being reasonable and the Atheists as hard-line evengelicals who resort to insults and abuse.It would seem that should you object to the suggestion you are mentally ill, you need to get a sense of humour.Nice one!
Anyway I am off to my mental illness help group with the rest of my war-mongering friends.Happy Easter and God Bless all. 🙂
Oh,and could somebody tell me where the other faces are in the Dali crucifiction,there are supposed to be three?
It's not the jokes that are offensive, it's the comments such as 'religion is a form of mental illness' that are.
Believing you are fat when the evidence shows you are thin = anorexia
Believing you will come to some harm by going out in to an open space with no evidence to support that belief = agoraphobia
Believing you will come to some harm by going in to a crowded place with no evidence to support that belief = claustrophobia
Believing you have got an invisible friend who does magic tricks with no evidence to support that belief = religion.
Anyway I am off to my mental illness help group with the rest of my war-mongering friends.Happy Easter and God Bless all.
Happy Easter Duckman! 😀
Duckman, I'm a wee bit hungry. Can I have that chip from your shoulder?
He's asked you a question which you don't appear to have answered...
I haven't answered that question because it is not a valid question to ask in reference to my original comment. Where did I mention WW1?
According to my 6yo daughter, who saw a DVD of it at school, Jesus got hammered and then died. I think it was an Easter DVD as opposed to a health bulletin on the dangers of binge drinking.
In fairness, the "story" seems to have been well taught at her CofE school, it's now up to us as parents to answer questions fairly until she's old enough to make her own mind up.
Jesus got hammered and then died. I think it was an Easter DVD as opposed to a health bulletin on the dangers of binge drinking.
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I'd be lying if I said I didn't LOL...
Thanks. I now have to clean sprayed beer out of my keyboard...
phoenix from the flame - MemberI haven't answered that question because it is not a valid question to ask in reference to my original comment. Where did I mention WW1?
Leave out WW1 then.
You mentioned WW2. Explain the religious grounding behind WW2.
Of course if you can't answer the question, you could retract the comment, admit you were talking bollox, and give a reassurance that you won't repeat it.
How about you tell me why you think there was no religious motivation to world war 2. Two or three things seem pretty bloody obvious to me. But you go ahead and fill your boots.
Sorry phoenix, I think you'll find few people that will suggest WW2 was about anything other than a fight between different countries, dictatorships and democracies, over land and resources.
Same as every war ever fought.
A bit like the current war then. 🙄
There was a theory going some years ago that Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews for their killing of Jesus (nailing/crossing?). Kinda possible but only in CSI Miami, sorry.
How about you tell me why you think there was no religious motivation to world war 2
LOL !
Constructive response there ernie, I like your style.
Persecution of the Jews was simply a way of conning the German people into believing they faced some 'sinister internal threat'.
It could have been any minority, of any religion or none.
Constructive response there ernie, I like your style.
😀 Constructive response ????? LOL !..........you completely avoided the question, and asked a question back !
Can't say I liked your style.........retracting the comment, admitting you were talking bollox, and giving a reassurance that you won't repeat it, would have been better 💡
Hmmm, I'm sensing that you have a job where you are perceived to be in a position of authority and you don't like to be questioned, a job where you can get away with bullying people. Prison Officer perhaps?
Americas late entrance to WW2 was a religious thing, also the attempted extermination of the jews, and the political religion that was Nazism itself. That enough for you?
Americas late entrance to WW2 was a religious thing, also the attempted extermination of the jews, and the political religion that was Nazism itself. That enough for you?
Ah right, now I see.
It was as I thought............you were just talking bollox.
And no, I don't have a 'job in authority'. Always fancied putting a uniform on and telling people what to do though.
Screw sounds good.
I'm getting bored with discussions about religion.
Is anyone a fan of homeopathy ?
That's always a good target for ridicule.
millitantgraham- homeopathic A&E
here you go
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I've seen that before. 😀
How about a Religious A&E. No need for doctors and all that expensive medical nonsense. They could just pray for people to get better.
Pheonix,I DO have a job in authority...I am a history teacher :o...and YOU are at the bottom of the class.
1)America's late arrival the war,more to do with the policy of Isolationism that they had pursued since the end of WW1 (non membership of league of nations is an example)
2) The extermination of the jews; Non-Aryan,blamed for "stab in the back",Hitler not getting in to art school,Blamed for hyperinflation.Nazism needed a scapegoat;the Jews were it.Britain and America would only take very small numbers,even after the Nuremberg laws,was that religiously motivated?
3)Nazism a political religion? Nope,it was and still is a doctrine.It did not become a religion until Hitler got fed up of trying and failing to make the established Church in Germany do as he wished.He then started his own(which nobody went to)
There, my points made nice and clearly,feel free to reply with an insult.I don't mind you flaming my beliefs,they are MY beliefs after all,but please be man enough to admit it when you go off at a wrong angle.I am off up Ben McDui now,hence the silly early post.
Christianity was invented to keep the masses under control. It offered them the promise of "Riches" when they died, so they were happy with their lot in life!
Did Jesus exist - likely, did the Romans care? No because he went round telling everyone to love them.
Yes they crucified him, but it was the priests and money lenders that had him crucified!!!
Britain didn't take to christianity till 600 ad in a big way because it was a small (illogical) religion that didn't fit in with our way of life!
The fact is 99% of religous messages from most faiths go down to one simple thing, in the words of Billy Conelly "Be good to each other, and look after the place"!
So why do so many "faithful" lose their rag at others opinions!
Will singlspeeding be a religeon in 600 years then?
I'm down to the last few bits of my easter egg and I'm being to feel anxious that in the next hour my house will become devoid of chocolate. Should I start praying to baby Jesus, goddess Ostara, or Lord Sainsbury?
[Apologies - thread hijack!]
I have a first edition signed copy of the New Testament on ebay at the moment.....
[As you were]
"Life is much better with an open mind. "The mind of a child, or a scientist.
One that doesn't just take what it already knows and measures up everything by it; instead, realising that there is a lot you don't know and seeking it out.
As for those people saying that faith is just about believing in magic tricks - you don't get it. So lay off criticising what you don't understand, it makes you look stupid.
Do you think the magic tricks help or hinder though?
If Hitler had been successful in his abhorent extermination of the Jewish people would the political and religious make up of the middle east be more stable than it currently is.
IanMunro - MemberDo you think the magic tricks help or hinder though?
'and he shall have a very religious name and Daniel shall they know him by and also by the name Paul'........ 'Paul Daniels' they cried!!!'
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Edric,The most hard core jews tend to come from America and Russia,so moot point.He also struggled to get hold of Europes Jews once people in (most,hang your head Italy)occupied countries sussed what was going on.
jasonm945 - MemberSo why do so many "faithful" lose their rag at others opinions!
Have you noticed that too jasonm945 ?
All the religious types on here, completely lose it when they are challenged by atheists - they rant, are offensive, and really quite intolerant.
The STW atheists, on the other hand, all post perfectly calm and measured comments. Never feeling the need to rant, lose their rags, or show any kind of intolerance.
It all goes to show........doesn't it ?
BTW jasonm945, I'm impressed by the sheer quantity of exclamation marks in your post
........it's all quite shocking ....... isn't it !!!! 😀
For those religious folk on here who wonder why people have a go at religion:
From our first stages of state education we are taught to believe in Christianity and have acts of worship.
In the UK we are also brought up to believe that the C of E is the 'right' version of that particular medieval monotheistic religion and its bishops are given seats in the Lords. Roman Catholicism is now tolerated up to a point, although not a good choice if you want to be the monarch or possibly the PM.
The Bible is an ambiguous, disparate collection of violent stories and touchy-feely parables intended to control the masses. Different denominations place emphasis on different parts.
Each Church has a lot of suspiciously man-made ritual and 'tradition' that can change substantially over the years.
We are now also taught to 'respect' all 'faiths' -despite the one-true-way nature of the CofE being the established church.
'Faiths', no matter how ludicrous/sexist/anti-contraception/homophobic/unpleasant/cruel to animals, are given special consideration and must not be criticised for fear of offending the supposedly mighty religions.
[b]There is no basis for any of these religions[/b], other than ignorance, superstition, fear of upsetting a creator, fear of death/the after-life and maybe meat preparation in a hot desert in the middle ages.
[b]Enquiring minds do not get satisfactory answers to their questions because there are no answers.
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Geronimo,what special consideration is it that we get? Please point it out for me I am a bit dim this morning.Seriously,give me examples of how Christianity get special treatment in our country.Unless you have experience of living abroad,in which case feel free to use that country as a reference.I await your reply with interest.
BTW Showing you age.All religions are looked at in schools now,not just Christianity.
Geronimo,what special consideration is it that we get?
By 'you', do you mean the religious in general or a particular faith?
[u]Fairly fundamentally[/u], as above:
[i]The archbishops of Canterbury and York and the bishops of Durham, London and Winchester are by tradition always members of the House of Lords. The remaining [b]21[/b] places on the Bishops’ Bench are not fixed, but are occupied by those English diocesan bishops that have served the longest.[/i]
The Archbishop of Canterbury certainly gets a lot of air-time to express his views considering that his followers are so few in number.
Interestingly, Tony Blair only got around to 'converting' not long after leaving office. Why was that? (Incidentally, when the pope died, the UK news coverage of the events was incredible in its quantity, so RC is presumably not too much of a problem for the UK public. It may have been a quiet news week though)
In some cases, workers are allowed to wear different uniforms on religious grounds.
There is, of course, the old chestnut of sikhs and motorbike helmets.
We are advised to treat people as they would like to be treated ie. special treatment, not treat everybody in the same way, resulting in people (especially in the public sector) being worried about causing offence at every turn and not being 'inclusive' enough.
All religions are looked at in schools now,not just Christianity.
So, as above, if (CofE)Christianity is viewed as the only one -by twist of historical fate involving Henry VIII- worthy of the monarch and a guaranteed seat in the Lords, then how can other faiths be considered other than as inferior/wrong?
Don't get me wrong, I've no issue with people having a private [i]faith[/i], but, as untested theory, religious [i]faith[/i] of whatever kind should have no bearing on the laws of the land.
Let's secularise the country and remove the church's (and any other religion's) influence.
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
[i]All religions are looked at in schools now,not just Christianity. [/i]
Seems to me that children are taught to [i]be[/i] Christians. Which I think is wrong.
Child at home talks about god and jesus and all that stuff and asks me questions about it... not sure how confused he is by my answers conflicting with what the school is telling him.
Only yesterday he asked me what religion I am. "None". "I thought so".
I think he's smart enough to get it, but I'm sure other kids are finding it pretty bizarre to be taught all this fantasy stuff as fact.
Or should I treat it like Father Christmas and pretend I think god exists until he works it out for himself? But Father Christmas is one bloke, one bloke who never had a war faught over him, or any deaths in his name (as far as I know) 😕
It's such a shame they built Windsor Castle so close to Heathrow 🙂
Geronimo,I fail to see how clergy membership of a non-elected,toothless throwback has any impact on how the country is run.
On the wearing of uniforms etc,does that spoil your day? Hardly evidence of an all prevading grip on the Country,is it.
Archbishop of Canterbury=more followers than Labour party 😀 Consider yourself getting off lightly.
I am with you on the separation of Church and State,vast majority of Christians are as well.
Denz,let him make his own mind up.
[i]let him make his own mind up.[/i]
Thats kinda my point - the school doesn't do that "Seems to me that children are taught to [i]be[/i] Christians."
non-elected,toothless throwback
The C of E who spend a lot of time arguing about females or homosexuals taking senior positions?
The Lords is the upper house of the country. You fail to see the relevance of church senior managers being given seats?
Archbishop of Canterbury=more followers than Labour party Consider yourself getting off lightly
How many people voted for the Archbishop? 9,562,122 voted for Labour last time.
"Seems to me that children are taught to be Christians."
We were when I was at primary school in the 80s, although I remember one of our more inspiring teachers suggesting that 'the creation', 'noah's ark' etc. were not necessarily correct. ie. not true.
what special consideration is it that we get?
There was the recent case of a "militant atheist" being arrested for leaving leaflets with "offensive" cartoons in Liverpool airport.
Offensive cartoons featuring politicians get published all the time. Why is ridiculing imaginary people more offensive than ridiculing real ones ?
I'd be surprised if children really were taught Christian ideas as facts these days. We had religious stories in primary school but that was 25 years ago. As far as I understand it (my family are teachers) they take great care to be secular these days.
Offensive cartoons featuring politicians get published all the time. Why is ridiculing imaginary people more offensive than ridiculing real ones ?
Because offensive religious cartoons could easily be considered as 'inciting religious hatred' which is an offence. There is no corresponding offence of 'inciting political disagreement'.
Politics is an academic matter. Faith is a lot more personal and private than that. Would you like to see people's sexuality openly mocked, or their choice of partner?
"HAHAHA you married a fat bird! Looser!"
its been done before but http://www.thebricktestament.com/
has all the answers you will ever need about god
i particularly like the bits in the bible where women on their periods are unclean, when is the right time to kill your child and any women captured in battle can be taken as a slave but she must have her head shaved
medieval mumbo jumbo should have no place in todays society
medieval mumbo jumbo should have no place in todays society
It doesn't - that's why no-one uses those parts of the bible.
apart from b and b owners?
get real christian theology has corrupted our society so deeply it will take centuries to get rid of, at least its dying out, thank god 😉
...'inciting religious hatred' which is an offence
So why is it an offence ?
I think all politicians, trade unionists, communists, fascists, merchant bankers and double glazing salesmen should be shot.
Why am I allowed to incite hatred against them, but not against someone for having an imaginary friend ?
Not that I want to incite hatred against anyone of course.
It would just be nice to know that I could if I wanted to.
I think all politicians, trade unionists, communists, fascists, merchant bankers and double glazing salesmen should be shot.
Not a very happy bunny, are you? 🙁
Someone's job is a far less divisive issue than their faith and/or race.
Btw - you say you think all fascists should be shot. Irony much?
[i] medieval mumbo jumbo should have no place in todays society[/i]It doesn't - that's why no-one uses those parts of the bible.
Haha. The 'scriptures' are there to back up any argument
-which bits you use depends on your argument....
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