[Closed] So it's Daves last day at the office

There's your box of roses now **** off

Dave and Boris go on an all day bender around the capital. Topping off with stealing a bendy bus and driving it into Tony Blair's garden.

I'm not much of fan of the conservative party in general but if we include the previous government, i.e. the coalition, then the same sex marriage act gets a big thumbs up from me.

The big society?

The northern powerhouse?

A vaguely remembered figure who was around just prior to the collapse of the labour party?

And something to do with a pig.

Yep, looking like an utter berk when the referendum result came in, and putting his John Thomas in a pigs head. Cheers for the memories Dave.

Tom B - you do realise where the pigs head story came from don't you?

Binners, certainly looking forward to PMQ. It should be quiet amusing

Ultimately, all political careers end in failure and his achievements (the one that surprised me was that coalitions can work in the UK) will be overshadowed by two moments of panic - first with the Scottish referendum and the frantic last minute promises and second and far more importantly Europe. Unfortunately, he failed in his mission to prevent the Tories being split on Europe (who wouldn't) and has now fallen on his sword.

I was always agnostic towards Dave as it was always very difficult to understand what he stood for - hence the early Labour chameleon jibes - but I also believe that looking at recent developments, he might well be missed and his statesmanship recognised belatedly.

As always, be careful what you wish for....

Still he now can make some serious shreds!!!!!

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Who's the loser in that photo?

I was always agnostic towards Dave

No-one's suggested he's God you know...

He put his party before the country,had a referendum to keep his back benchers quiet & divided the country.
He's the bloke who set in motion the end of the union,that's ironic for a tory..
He's the PM who was to weak to get a good deal for the UK from the EU.
I think he's the worst PM we've been lumbered with.
Here's hoping we also see the back of his Bullingdon club chums..
Good Riddance!!

you do realise where the pigs head story came from don't you?

You know the source?

No-one's suggested he's God you know...

I thought that was teflon Tony?

thm please enlighten me.....

Well, aside from the biggest public spending squeeze, worst state of the NHS, poorest provision of public services, most unreasonable squeeze on immigration, increasing university fees to their highest ever level, forcing the disabled back to work, overseeing the first doctor's strikes in 40 years, increasing the gap between the poor and rich massively, leaving the EU and generally shafting the country I don't think he's left much of a legacy that half a century of grief, struggle and hard work won't fix.

Given the issues and crises that he's presided over and failed to resolve, I suspect that Cameron will be ranked alongside the likes of Eden and Chamberlain. Unlike the latter, he will be alive for some considerable time yet, so for decades ahead he'll read about his premiership being described in very uncomplimentary terms.

Either that or he'll be regarded as some sort of Julius Ceaser type character, if he's lucky.

Crickey munrobiker, [s]one[/s] some of those actually stand up to scrutiny

Mefty, 😉 as Ms Oakeshott knows only too well, the source was flakey indeed. Her backtracking on the story makes the BSers backtracking look amateur!

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Greenest Government Ever

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get rid of all the green crap

Crickey PMQs covered across multiple channels - BBC1, ITV, Ch4 before we get on to digital!!

End of the day his legacy will be ok but unspectacular. He sure isn't the worst PM by a long, long way.

He's the bloke who set in motion the end of the union,that's ironic for a tory..

1) It don't believe it will happen but we shall see.

2) if it does then Blair takes a lot of credit for giving the SNP a platform by devolving power and then taking us into the Iraq war which no one wanted and is now destroying the Labour party.

When was the last time we had a "good" Prime Minister that actually achieved their stated aims?

I can't remember one.

Who's the loser in that photo?

Not entirely sure but I think it's David Cameron.

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jimdubleyou - Member
When was the last time we had a "good" Prime Minister that actually achieved their stated aims?

I can't remember one.

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Slightly OT, but i think this is the real issue in the UK, and Brexit isn't the solution. It might mean politicians have one less excuse, but was the UK really a wonderful place in the 70's?

Thought he did OK on how we dealt with the immigration issue relating to Syria (putting money into the camps not encouraging reckless immigration), put his career on the line in regards to the referendum (a key part of his election pledge and the only opportunity the UK people had to voice their thoughts on the EU as all main parties were pro) and putting military action to the vote instead of arbitrarily going gung ho.
Otherwise a bit meh, the UK has had worse PM's.

PMQ is quite amusing

you do realise where the pigs head story came from don't you?

You know the source?

The horse's mouth?

PMQ is no different today from any other occasion, particularly since Corbyn became Labour leader, a noisy opportunity for the boastful Cameron to play to his gallery and to avoid actually addressing any issues. It's Shakespearean full of sound and fury .

PMQ is no different today from any other occasion,

Only to bitter and twisted people like you!

PMQ is quite amusing

It was indeed. Radio Scotland ran it in full it seems...

I think he's been a pretty good PM given he's held the role through a period of unprecedented economic turmoil.

Things I'd call out as successes during his tenure:

- The UK has overtaken France to become the 5th biggest economy
- More new jobs created in the UK than in the rest of Europe put together
- A record number of working adults
- Started a very long overdue of welfare, albeit spending is now higher than it was despite "austerity"
- Managed to convince the country we've had austerity when the opposite is true
- Strengthened rights for same sex couples and despite significant resistance from his own party
- Led the UK's first coalition government - and for 4 years and 6 months longer than most "experts" predicted
- Crime is down
- Spending on healthcare rose in real terms - the "ringfence" commitment was held.
- The reduction in the size of local government / quangos hasn't resulted in the sky falling in yet.
- Honoured his commitment to abide by the will on parliament on military action in Syria even when this commitment was abused by shameless cheap politics by Ed Milliband
- His wife have up her business interests when he took power and maintained a dignified / low profile throughout - in stark contrast to Cherie Blair

He also took a pay cut at the start and waived his right to the Prime Ministerial pension which is worth £65K a year from the point he leaves office.

All in all not a bad job - and for that he's had to put up with frankly disgusting baseless stories like the Pigs head that his political peers have used with abandon even when they know the story to be untrue.

Just heard a nice speech on the radio. I assume it was his outgoing speech.

I particularly enjoyed the 'Give my regards you your mum' comment from Corbyn...

Was having a think about this last night.

Given the economic mess the conservatives had to deal with, and the subsequent criticism of austerity as the solution, what would labour have done if they had been in power, and would we be in a better or worse state (ignoring Brexit)?

What time is the firing squad?

the same sex marriage act gets a big thumbs up from me.

So that's what they do on their wedding night...

Not much to shout about
His pledge to be more Blair than Blair rings pretty true, hes pretty much continued the work of New Labour...
Accademies, privatsiing the NHS, hes pummled the poorest hadrest to try and keep his core vote happy, paving the way for the demogogues to blame immigration and brussles for their dire economic prospects, same sex marriage was a nod to his compassionate conservatism 😉

It really doesnt matter though

his legacy is his utter failure to put to bed the Tory party's internal division over the EU, has helped divide the nation and plunge us into yet more economic uncertainty, when we'd never really recovered from the 2008 crash.

Ultimately hes one of historys biggest Losers

With "I was the future once" he showed class, the pissy faced SNP woman showed that class can't be taken for granted.

I think he's done OK on number of issues. But, he will be judged, like Blair and Iraq, on just 1, Brexit. Now, there are a lot of people out there who will see this as a big positive, not me, but there are some and in those quarters he could be seen very positively indeed.

oh yeah, labour would have done a lot better <lol>

the pissy faced SNP woman showed that class can't be taken for granted.

that was a brilliant example on how to misjudge an occassion - bless her

pissy faced SNP woman showed that class can't be taken for granted.

And calling someone pissy faced is classy??

Whatever people think of him, (and Ive never been a fan) he took on the job when we were in a shit state and made very difficult decisions in a bid to extract us from that state. Decisions that were never going to be popular with anyone, purely because we had run out of money. The country (pre brexit) is in a better state as a result.

Compare that to Blair and Brown who managed to screw the economy from such a great position.

And calling someone pissy faced is classy??

This aint the House of Commons.....in case you hadn't noticed! 🙄

Corbyn did quite well I thought - some good jokes, nice line in self deprecation and quite effective using May's speech - SNP - dour and pompous - in McNeill they have the heir to Tapsell.

PMQ is quite amusing

It was good today.

Whatever people think of him, (and Ive never been a fan) he took on the job when we were in a shit state and made very difficult decisions in a bid to extract us from that state. Decisions that were never going to be popular with anyone, purely because we had run out of money. The country (pre brexit) is in a better state as a result.

I don't envy May at this moment in time either...

Agreed, given the circumstances he did pretty well. Can't see anyone else who'd do better. Some how I think for some of the STW experts nothing would be good enough.

Just spotted this article on the BBC website
"What's in Teresa May's in tray?"
I reckon a gift wrapped turd with a card saying "Love, Boris".

Blimey, reading this thread I'm forced to wonder exactly what a PM needs to do in order to be judged as a disaster.

There's hope for Neville Chamberlain yet.

In real terms thankfully the UK has never had a truly disastrous PM, although Blair's adventure in Iraq puts him borderline IMO. If you want to see disastrous then look around the world and back in history there are plenty of choices to pick from left, right, commie, totalitarian you name it, e.g. look at the horrific mess that Venezuela is in right now.

End of the day it is hard for a PM to make a big positive difference, but in the wrong hands it is easy for them to make a big negative difference.

The country (pre brexit) is in a better state as a result.

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Not sure he could do a great deal about the elective surgery in New South Wales to be honest.

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In real terms thankfully the UK has never had a truly disastrous PM

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You could probably rightfully accuse me of being a tad biased, but I don't think it's wrong to set the highest standards for those in the highest office, but several 20th/21st century PMs stand out for being disastrous as I'd define it:

Tony Blair is in part responsible for a (conservatively) estimated 150,000 dead in the middle east, committing soldiers to a conflict knowing that the likely result would be an deterioration of security at home. The Chilcott Report makes for sobering reading. I'd say that was pretty lacklustre.

Cameron has failed to deal with the Eurosceptics in his party and as such it's likely that we're about to leave the trading bloc upon which our economy is hugely reliant upon. If we don't leave the EEA, we've lost our voice in the EU Parliament, but the bills won't be falling any time soon. There's a good chance of a second Scottish Referendum, so he'll have hamstrung the economy and knackered the Union too. Not bad for someone trying to quell a party feud. It's a bit like blowing up the bar you and your mates are in to resolve an argument over who's buying the next round.

Then there's the failure to provide adequate housing, the UN report condemning how the UK treats disabled people, the food banks, the blind eye toward money laundering...as PM he was ultimately responsible.

Quite a few people would tell you that Thatcher was a disaster too.

Chamberlain failed to stand up to Hitler in the late 1930s, which in hindsight wasn't the best move for twenty million people.

But other than those minor misdemeanours, Blair helped bring peace to Northern Ireland and the Balkans, Cameron gave us same sex marriages, Thatcher gave us...erm...gave us...I'll have to get back to you on that. Chamberlain gave us a piece of paper with a Fascist dictator's autograph on it.

not sure Blair gave us peace in NI - much of the ground work and the big political risk taking move to talk to the IRA was done by John Major. Even Blair said as much.

Surely all those graphs indicate why so many people voted out, on the basis our country can't cope with any more immigrants?

not sure Blair gave us peace in NI - much of the ground work and the big political risk taking move to talk to the IRA was done by John Major. Even Blair said as much.

I was being generous.

Surely all those graphs indicate why so many people voted out, on the basis our country can't cope with any more immigrants?

Forgive me being dense, but this is irony, right?

Rockape63 - Member
Surely all those graphs indicate why so many people voted out, , on the basis our country can't cope with any more immigrants?

Only the really ignorant/stupid/gullible or xenophobic ones who don't realise that immigrants make up a disproportionately large part of the NHS workforce
And as well as being net contributors to the economy are less likely to use the NHS and claim benefits than our own ageing population

Surely all those graphs indicate why so many people voted out, on the basis our country can't cope with any more immigrants?

Forgive me being dense, but this is irony, right?

'kin hope so - my tickle button thought it was funny 😆

'kin hope so - my tickle button thought it was funny

I'm sure it was meant in jest too, sadly the news of late has resulted in complete sense of humour failure for me so I double take everything I read.

As you were, people.

Statistics, lies, etc.

[b]Highlights[/b]

Hugely courageous and pro democracy, Referendums on the basis for elections, Independence for Scotland and of course the EU. The bravery and foresight to do this is extra-ordinary.

2.5 million new jobs, 1000 for every day he was PM
Substantially reduced deficit
Same sex marriage
First Conservative Majority Government in 18 years
Laying the ground for Theresa May and what could well prove to be watershed moment for women in Government, as May said Cameron was a very modern PM

Outstanding at PMQ's today and an excellent speech outside #10

The way he conducted the Referendum campaign he had to go win or lose IMHO.

God knows what thread to post this in, and there's actually very little point other than to just get it off my chest, but I reckon we'll miss 'CMD'. All the clever-arsed damning on here and the generally media, of what I honestly believe to be a decent bloke, a moral bloke, and a not-too-shabby PM, will soon come back to bite us when we realise what the alternatives are, and will/have done for this country.

I'm not political. I'm not a 'Conservative' and ironically enough, I'm a Civil Servant, but I suspect this time next year, I'm going to miss Dave.

having watched the Labour MP on the brink of tears in an interview on C4 news as she described death threats, stalking, intimidation and thousands of abusive emails that her / her colleagues have received from "Momentum" supporters it makes me think today's "nasty party" is the one in opposition.

PS: those cancer wait times above don't tell the whole story - there's been significant increases in cancer funding and a step change in the number of people being referred for diagnostics. This has had the dual result of more people requiring treatment and the need to treat those first who have the most aggressive cancers i.e. more people referred, more people diagnosed, some people with less aggressive cancers waiting longer but those with the most aggressive cancers continuing to be treated first.

Specific achievements will fade.

When being summed up in one line he'll be remembered as a weak PM wasn't willing to do the right thing for the country preferring instead to do a deal to cement his personal ambitions which unfortunately fell apart on him.

Mind you, similar things could be said about a few PMs

Referendums ... The bravery and foresight to do this is extra-ordinary