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Yup that's him on facebook
he favorite quote is interesting.
Peter@cheshiremodels.co.uk
Wool
The earlier company Bespoke Defenders Ltd is still technically speaking live at companies house, also there are some differences in addresses for the new company albeit one could be residential.
Have you had notice of an insolvency process? If so what's in it?
No notice of insolvency as far as i am aware
grab your TD5 back and buy a galv chassis from Marsland/Richards. Forum group effort can have it swapped in a weekend.
Good call RNP!
Tried that,my TD5 is in bits. in his workshop
EDIT
That's crap. When it's back together are you having it?
Not sure what to do he has all the docs, been had with the bounced and then the stopped check.
Grab the 130ambi then. Pulse 130's are worth decent money (check Foley SV).
This guys having a laugh.
Needs his knees broken.
Jesus, I've been keeping tabs on this thread since it started and it gets worse.
can't imagine how you're feeling to be honest. If he cancelled the cheque but has the TD5 then surley that's theft and the police can get involved.
Sounds like it's not the first time he's done it.
I once got done with an older discovery, cost about 3k so nothing like you paid. Once we'd picked it up driven it we found it would randomly briefly cut out, and the steering was so vague it was dangerous.
We took it back the following day saying it was too big for my wife to drive and managed to get something else, by which time this other car had increased in value by 1k from the day before, we made the mistake of phoning first.
Actually turned outto be a good car, although it was treated like crap for over 2 years. Hope your situation gets better soon.
Yes surely if you own the car (in bits or not the insolvency should not matter as he has your property at his premises to fix) as has been said get car and chase the rest of the cash later.
Wool, If your TD5 is in bits, could you not get a van and get said bits and swap the chassis over. If its in bits sounds like 1/2 the job is done?
If some little shit had £12.5k of my money with the chance of losing the lot if he goes under, I'd rustle up some mates, screwdriver the locks out of whatever he has sat in his yard and taking it as collateral.
If you can get into the yard, it took some negotiation just to get him to stop talking to me trough the massive steel gates he has on the Sidings Industrial Estate.
This whole thread fills me with rage. How the hell can somebody get away with this???!!!!
Knowing how much effort and sweat £12.5k is for me to earn, I'd either be upto my eyeballs legally or I'd be down there with a Stihl saw cutting the gates/locks off. Certainly wouldnt be a month down the road without either money, LR or a plan in place.
Sorry but going in with your kids makes you a soft touch in his eyes hence why he's still mugging you off.
As much as I love LR's and I restore them myself (but not commercially) I hate the crime wave that follows them and that I alluded to in the other 'I bought a defender thread'.
There are two places that I would recommend someone buy a LR from (not from anyone in the rossendale valley), but with either I would still insist on going with the buyer to check every nut and bolt over.
Ryan Stott has some neck, My understanding is that I am not the only one he has defrauded over at Bespoke Defenders & Land Rover Restorations the Sidings Bacup.
Ryan Stott has some neck, My understanding is that I am not the only one he has defrauded over at Bespoke Defenders & Land Rover Restorations the Sidings Bacup.
Wool. With the greatest respect, this guy won't give a shit if you keep bad mouthing him online. As RNP says, you need to get a firm plan in place which doesn't include slights on an Internet forum. Police would be my first port of call tomorrow morning.
Well I am resigned to to the fact that the cash has gone as has the Defender. So I am determined to make sure he can't con anyone else. I will call the police again in the morning but it got me absolutely nowhere last time,
I am not slighting him just stating the truth.
Wool, get talking to your bank and get a chargeback done it has to be done within 120 days, you can get your money back!
chargeback?? we did a bank transfer to pay, thought it was lost??
"Thought"
Even if there was a slight hint of a chance id be down the bank speaking to them !
No offence Wool, but you've either got more money than sense or you deserve to loose it if you give up that easily.
Like I say I'm a mild mannered man who see's the best in people but considering there is £12.5k at stake I'd be there with a Stihl or a court order.
If you paid by credit or debit card,a chargeback does seem to be a valid option for you. Have you tried this yet?
Edit: just read the latest post above, go and have a word with the bank and see what they say,but I also thought that a bank transfer was non reversible except under very specific circumstances
Transfer or debit card, I see no differnce and would be putting pressure on the bank.
chargeback?? we did a bank transfer to pay, thought it was lost??
Sorry, but think you are correct. Chargeback only applies to certain cards.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/visa-mastercard-chargeback
Theres a big difference between a bank transfer and a card payment. Card payments typically allow you some redress if the goods purchased are not as described. Bank transfers typically do not.
Transfer or debit card, I see no differnce and would be putting pressure on the bank.
Youd most likely be wasting your (and the banks) time
Fraud ? You gave him 12.5k in return for a defender. You got junk and have no defender.
Did you pay a deposit on a card? If so you may still have an option via the card.
Youd most likely be wasting your (and the banks) time
Why?
Chargeback is covered by law on a credit card but not on a debit card. Chargeback on a debit card is covered by goodwill, as, I suspect, would a transfer (the principle is the same).
[url= http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/visa-mastercard-chargeback ]http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/visa-mastercard-chargeback[/url]
I'd be camping in his workshop until I got the money or the vehicle back I think. STW real life pitchfork and torches event, anyone?
its not done under "goodwiLL" ,its part of the card scheme providers (visa,mastercard, amex etc, essentially not the bank themselves)t&cs that all banks and merchants operating under the scheme have agreed to work under.
there is no such t&c's covering "bank transfers" such as those made under faster payments.
think about it.... youd be getting fraud left right and centre if a bank transfer could just be reversed after the event, a bit like the various western union money transfer scams.
its not done under "goodwiLL" ,its part of the card scheme providers t&cs that all banks and merchants operating under the scheme have agreed to work under.there is no such t&c's covering "bank transfers" such as those made under faster payments.
think about it.... youd be getting fraud left right and centre if a bank transfer could just be reversed after the event, a bit like the various western union money transfer scams.
Fair enough, the experts at Money Saving Experts got it wrong. Their bad!
Have you told them?
Wool, for ****s sake get a grip mate. You either aren't telling us the whole story or you're rolling over and taking this way too easily.
If you're not confident in dealing with him yourself ask for help. I for one would be quite happy to come along with you to give some moral and if neede physical support in getting something back from him.
I'm not being an Internet braggart suggesting strong arm tactics, just thinking you don't seem to be able to get results and maybe someone impartial may be able to help.
I do however have access to an impressive array of tools that could be used to gain entry to anything up to and including police cells ('in theory') if the worst came to the worst......
nothing I said contradicts that moneysaving expert article, I agree with them
bank transfers are totally different to payments made by card.
I am neither an internet braggart, but am really frustrated at this and will help if I can, in whatever way.
bank transfers are totally different to payments made by card.
Debit or credit cards?
But yes, you're right on all counts and it's not worth talking to the bank.
Payment was made with a bank transfer only.....
credit card payments are different to debit card payments which are different to bank transfers under bacs/chaps/faster payments.
they are 3 different mechanisms(and the various bank transfer types are each different again) with different rules and regulations, some of the rules are also enforced by the law of the land (section 75 for credit cards), some are just t&c's of the contract that participants signed up to when they agreed to take on one of the roles of either bank,merchant or consumer.
but essentially under the faster payments rules once a payment has cleared into the "target" account, it cannot be reversed. whereas the same is not tru of debit card payments made under the visa debit scheme.
Right the way I see it is this
You paid for the 110 the money cleared title passed to you
It's yours as he hasn't paid you back
Go get it and all the bits, if he refuses get the bailiffs to recover it
Wool, I hope you are still getting some professional advice?
Can I just caution against the go all "bombers" on him approach.
If you threaten or commit assault, theft or criminal damage the Police will not give a monkey's what money he owes they are more likely to simply arrest and possibly charge you for the relevant criminal offences and tell you to follow proper civil process for the debt. You will potentially get a criminal record too if you over step the mark to the extent some posters are suggested.
"Can I just caution against the go all "bombers" on him approach" Agree bombers would only cause more problems and I have enough of those......