Fast approaching the end of Sept and the end of the Voluntary ban until spring so its time to think about that ride up snowdon.
Anyone done it before? Is it really worth it?
I met a guys back in April heading up the top of the Llanberis path to head down the Warden path, when I suggested perhaps Thetford Forest would be easier he looked quite wistful! Seriously though he was very enthusiastic about it and almost sold it to me!
I've done it, dressed as a gorilla.
It is certainly worth the "tick" especially on a clear day with great views. I did the Llanberis path up and down, but if I did it again would consider the Ranger path
yes I am going the day the ban lifts. 2 hours ish up [hike a bike for all but liars] and hour + fun down the rangers with slight hike a bike over to avoid zig zags which are ace but a push back up. Excellent epic ride and more than just ticking it off the list like others.
GO. Ignore this if you prefer Trail centres
Yeh it been on my tick list for a while. Was thinking of this route to take it all in. 2 stops at the cafe can;t be a bad thing and after the ban we'd have all day to take it in so could be good one.
Anyone know if the pyg track is doable / worthwhile? Haven;t been up there in years but from memory after the 1st 100m or so I seem to remember it being pretty rolling. could be naff memory though!
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Thats the route Ive got my eye on too gravity.. 😉
yes I am going the day the ban lifts.
Me too Junkyard,
Day booked off work and accomodation sorted for the weekend.
Friday the 1st we'll do Snowdon. Early morning start.
Llanberis or Rangers ? - jury's still out on that.
Now all we need is half-decent weather.
GS - I walked the Pyg track in June, and wouldn't think it was rideable in any way!
lol so my memory if naff then!
http://www.flattyresmtbroutes.com/SnowdonTwinPeaks.html
heres the link with descriptions to the map above. He finishes saying he's done the route the other way round.. up llanberis --> down Rhyd Ddu --> up rangers --> down Llanberis. Seemed to think this was a better option.
Would have been up 1st weekend but My bro's getting married that weekend the inconsiderate so and so
The Rangers looks fantastic - walked it the other weekend. Met two guys coming down the Rhyd Ddu who said that was also almost as good as the Rangers as a descent.
Fadda - you reckon it would be ridable as a descent?
[quote> http://www.flattyresmtbroutes.com/SnowdonTwinPeaks.html
heres the link with descriptions to the map above. He finishes saying he's done the route the other way round.. up llanberis --> down Rhyd Ddu --> up rangers --> down Llanberis. Seemed to think this was a better option.
Thanks for the linky Gravity, I think we'll give that route a go.
Probably in reverse.
The Pyg track is a footpath, not a bridleway. Riding 'cheeky' on Snowdon would not be a good idea.
Ahh that'll be why no one mentions the phg track then!
Anyone ever bivvyed up snowdon? I can think of a couple of nice spots to chill out up there
do you like pushing your bike? cos it's a lot of pushing. Fun on the way down 🙂
Yeah if the weather conditions are half decent, do it.
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Surprising amount of the uphill on Llanberis path is ridable. Between the halfway house and the railway arch there is a staircase to be pushed up - was amusing coming back down this. After the arch is very steep but climbable if you are strong - about 2 hours up in total. The descent of Llanberis was fun and you have the benefit of having seen what is coming. But I'm told Rangers plus Telegraph is much better so will do that next time. There is a lot of rock to hit if you get carried away - I had an off not far down from the summit - so consider some basic pads IMO. And make sure you brakes are in tip-top - I boiled mine trying to slow down on the steep/loose section down to the railway arch!
Did the route along the railway line from Llanberis last year. Quiet a bit of pushing on the second half. Took 17 mins to get down, including sorting a puncture.
Don't underestimate the weather difference on the top.
I remember one section of steps started to be annoying after a few hundred yards of it.
Isn't Rhyd Ddu a bridleway too? Anyone ridden it? Not ridden Snowdon but I've walked most of the routes and I reckon Rhyd Ddu would be an absolute hoot on a bike, if only for that first ridge section.
Agree with everything buzz says.
What have other people experienced? After doing Ben Nevis during the day I wouldn't recommend doing any popular mountain when walkers are out. They see you coming and don't move, I think its the shock of seeing someone on a bike and on the way up you get stupid questions and comments off everyone.
Normally try and get to the top for first light or in summer leave around 5.
Like Stuuey says, it'll still be busy even though there's no ban so it could be worth going early anyway. My choice would be up llanberis and down the rangers trail. There's a map and gpx file here:
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I was going to break my forum virginity on this very same topic, oh well nevermind! 😥
Myself and a couple of friends are planning to attempt it in a couple of weeks, unfortunately before the voluntary ban finishes so i'm sure that'll make it interesting?!
Done it twice. It's excellent. DO IT!
We did it at the end of September last year:
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Up Llanberis and down the Rangers:
Well worth it. But seriously, who rides up? Push...
"17 mins " wow that seems quick. I think I took at least 25 mins, that including a couple of stops to let my brakes cool and have a chat with someone. So lets assume 7 mins for the puncture, you dropped ~3000ft vert in 10 mins - coo.
Seriously, if you have a trail bike, most of it up to the base of the staircase will ride. Mine's is a 30lb FS and I'm not a quick cyclist. Did mine after 5pm in May.
17 mins is doable on Llanberis path. I was down in 15-17mins and I'm jey as ****
Unofficial record is 9
unfortunately before the voluntary ban finishes so i'm sure that'll make it interesting?!
Interesting as in having to go after 5pm or before 10 am and it might be a bit dark if you take too long; or interesting because you're a complete and utter ****wit for wanting to disrespect a very hard-won arrangement? Same goes for the moron up there wondering about riding a footpath (P.Y.G. track). Put simply: DON'T.
Snowdon has been a candidate to have all cycle access revoked for years. That agreement allowing limited access was very difficult to obtain. Having spoken to the rangers on many an occasion, they seem totally bemused as to why cyclists want to be up there when me have purpose-built trails. Unfortunately, most policy makers are inclined to agree with them. Seeing as it is in a national park, it would actually be a criminal, not a civil offence to ride there if they decided an outright ban. Given its high profile, and the lack of real crime in Gwynedd, I'm sure a couple of bobbies would enjoy a few bike confiscations to make the point...
As someone who rode it on a mid-summer saturday before the voluntary ban was arranged, I can confirm it's no fun for anyone. Time shifting access between walkers and cyclists seems to have worked quite well the many times I've ridden it since then; with the few walkers left actually cheering us on for the most part...
My mate got the puncture just before the railway arch. At that point the brakes did pong a bit and probably benefited from the stop.
9min record hmmmmmm....should I have another go?
Don't tell the wife!
Edit: was riding a 04 Enduro, usual 5 inch rear travel when I did it the first time. Tyre choice is key as you don't want them sliding under braking. Unfortunately I used conti gravities which they have discontinued.
Agree with Zokes. The people who get upset when asked "why do you climb a mountain just to walk back down?" Don't understand why we want to do it.
Stick to the agreed times so our kids can ride it too! And you're more likely to have a clear run.
Yep it's amazing on a clear day (and in the snow 8) )
If you only do it once you need to come down rangers and then into telegraph valley (as in the diagram above)
Up Llanberis and down Rangers is definitely the best option.
Rangers is one of the best trails in the UK (imho!). Just awesome - fast and furious at the top with loads of nice little rocks etc to jump off, then slow and a proper techy challenge toward the bottom.
I have also been up Rhyd Du and down Rangers...but I wouldn't recommend it unless you particularly want a proper hike-a-bike across a rather perched ridgeline. I wouldn't do the Rhyd Du route if it was particularly icy/windy either as there is a falling risk.
B00l0x I want to go do Ranger's Path right now!
Actually zokes it's because we are planning to go up and down before the ban starts but thanks for calling me a complete and utter fukwit before you've even bothered to find out what i meant! Frankly i think you've nicely shown who the fukwit is!
Rangers = Probably one of the best legal descents in the UK. Enjoy.
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Great Vid Scott.
What is the best time up and down anyone has done the Llanberis route?
The running race record is 62 minutes!!
Zokes, It's also pretty obvious the person you refer to as a 'moron' did not know what status the Pyg path has and as soon as that fact was made clear accepted it.
So as futuresorange points out ........
Cheers for the back up Moe, as said I mentioned the Pyg track not knowing it was a footpath and never made any reference to wanting or intending to ride after being given the facts.
[s]Zokes[/s] Fukwit it helps when you actually read a post before slagging people off. Your point though was probably valid but i'm afaid I stopped reading it after it became clear you were a bellend.
Some pictures of stuning views when we did it last October http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/dartmoor-posse-welsh-do-snowdon-stuff-sunny-photos
😆 @ gravitysucks
Yeah rangers is probably the best UK descent that I have ridden (legal or not)
yes rangers is superb descent
Thats me in B & W on Loweys last pic BTW.
I recomend pads/protection. We all had an off [involuntary dab,crash or dismount]]on the decent but it was wet and slippy and lethal to put your feet down as they had less grip that the tyres.
How could you not love that?
Fukwit it helps when you actually read a post before slagging people off. Your point though was probably valid but i'm afaid I stopped reading it after it became clear you were a bellend.
Good good, well, we all know which **** to blame when you upset the rangers and get bikes entirely banned. As someone who lived very close to Snowdon until recently, we got a bit fed up of hearing loud-mouthed tourists going on about how it was stupid to have a ban and how they were going to flaunt it. I guess thanks to the internet, I still get to hear those ****s...
Wouldn't recommend Pyg track for riding. Just walked it as final part of 3 peaks challenge starting 10 pm last night. Snot easy.
I guess thanks to the internet, I still get to hear those ****s...
Still haven't heard any mention of disrespect for the ban or anyones plans to flaunt them. Which ****s do you speak of?
Please highlight where your offensive comments are justified
Back to the original question:
Yes, it's well worth doing. Go up the Snowdon path (roughly following the railway). Either come back down that way, or If you want more technicality choose between the Ranger or Rhyd Ddu. The Ranger is superb, but I'm yet to ride Rhyd Ddu.
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Remember to plan for the weather. Take plenty of extra clothes and water proofs. It will be 10deg C cooler at the summit than in Llanberis. It will also be windy and probably raining. Oh, and although the guy in the photo looks like he's dressed for and having a nice XC ride, it IS steep and rocky. He's just a bit good.
Enjoy!
Anyone know if the pyg track is doable / worthwhile? Haven;t been up there in years but from memory after the 1st 100m or so I seem to remember it being pretty rolling. could be naff memory though!
Dunno, but I interpreted this as a concept that you might be intending on finding out?
Fadda - you reckon it would be ridable as a descent?
This makes it look that you were really interested....
unfortunately before the voluntary ban finishes so i'm sure that'll make it interesting?!
And this from futureisorange also seemed to imply that they were planning on taking no notice of the ban.
So I guess those two points from you, and the one from orange fella made it fairly clear you were contemplating attempting it. Given the fact that you're asking indicates you're not from round there. Not that this is a problem in itself, more that in arsing about up there you'd be pissing on someone else's already contentious doorstep. I was merely highlighting how thin a line riders must tread up there.
Nice quotes to affirm your argument Zokes.
Would you now like to provide a quote after it was established that the Pyg track was a footpath?
No thats right there arn't any are there?
And where exactly does futuresorange state he's going to ignore the ban?
The only comment he makes was that it would be interesting. I took that to mean it was going to be an early or late ascent, but i'm not stood on my soapbox waiting to strike.
Again can you highlight any points that justify your offensive comments?
And if you hadn't noticed I started this thread highlighting the ban and being able to ride from October onwards so why exactly am I a **** & moron?
Would you now like to provide a quote after it was established that the Pyg track was a footpath?
Sorry, I guess you must have missed the bit where a simple look at an OS sheet confirms what is / isn't a footpath. I'd assumed that anyone looking to ride a new area might have considered this as a logical first step in establishing where to go in a busy National Park. They're easily accessible [url= http://www.just****inggoogleit.com/ ]here[/url] though... HTH
Oh zokes, back down. Just because some tourists have pissed you off when you use to live closeby, doesn't give you the right to come steaming in with personal insults based on your interpretation of comments made.
I was following this thread I was interested in riding Snowdon myself. Shame its just another perfectly good thread lost to bickering and insults. 🙁
There's a full length headcam of the Rangers in two parts on [url= http://www.youtube.com/user/littlegoogbunny#p/u/19/m822wdtaq3M ]YT[/url].
Or maybe a logical step would be to start a thread on a chat forum of a popular mountain bike website to gain advice from like minded individuals. The kind of useful advice that has been provided by people on this very thread.
Are you honestly trying to defend your obnoxious behaviour on the basis that I am a **** and moron for not fully researched an area before ever bringing it to the forum?
I now see that trying to have an intelligent argument is beyond you. I shall therefore resort to your level.
You sir are the king of the ****s.
Thanks to everyone who provided useful information and an enthusiastic response. I won't be reading anymore of this thread though.
unfortunately before the voluntary ban finishes so i'm sure that'll make it interesting?!
How do you do it before the voluntary ban finishes without breaking it?
I read this as ignoring the ban as it is also time and date limited.01/05 -30/09 10-5. To do it before the ban finishes you would have to ride when the ban applies or you are not doing it before the ban finishes are you?
We speak about MXERS and 4x4 runing trails yet we ride footpaths and then ignore voluntary bans. Perhaps if we were more responsible other countryside users would not view us as we view the aforementioned. Having ridden it I dont think it would be safe with lots of wlakers on the hill. Some part are so steep and loose that quicl braking /stopping is not going to happen and it would ruin your fun and endager other people.
seriously this place bores me sometimes.
Why are you trying to stoke the fire Junkyard?
You can misread other peoples words how ever you want. The poster of that quote has already confirmed that is not what he meant so why are you using a quote out of context to jump on your soapbox?
By all means highlight the ban as it is important but why do some people feel the need to argue for no reason? Its like being in a room of hormonal women
Its like being in a room of hormonal women
How do you know we're not all hormonal women?
And thank you Junkyard. Whilst in retrospect I was a little brusque in my responses, clearly I wasn't the only person reading this thread to interpret those posts as an intention to flaunt the ban; no matter what gravitysucks' post hoc stance on the issue may now be. I suppose he'd better carry on not reading this thread now he's replied to you though...
lmao post hoc stance. Noticed you haven't managed to show where I knowingly intended to flaunt the ban yet.
And the only reason I posted again is to defend someone who has already made his intentions clear but continues to be bullied.
Nice to know how you treat new forum members
I must say you're doing exceptionally well at not reading this thread again though. Well done at that anyway...
Zokes - I have to ask you if you have ever ridden on a footpath?
Think he's just being a nob, he has moved to oz after all.
I do apologise for the obvious lack of linguistic elegance in my original post. What i should have said was that, my friends and i are planning a ride in a couple of weeks that will see us attaining the summit and indeed heading back to base again before 10am.
Obvioulsy i need to sit and think about how i word my responses in future so that i don't risk offending someone again. 🙄
How do you do it before the voluntary ban finishes without breaking it?
I read this as ignoring the ban as it is also time and date limited.01/05 -30/09 10-5. To do it before the ban finishes you would have to ride when the ban applies or you are not doing it before the ban finishes are you?
As you say the ban applies 10-5 so if we've completed the ride before 10 we won't be riding when the ban applies but will be riding before the ban finishes on 30/09.......if you see what i mean!
What I don't understand is why you'd only think about riding it because the ban's about to end, when it makes a very pleasant evening's ride in the summer (potentially up to 5 hours light in midsummer).
Come to think of it, has anybody ever done a night ride to the top?
well I do now - and to be fair I had not read your earlier retraction/clarification. Another STW internet storm in a tea cup. You could have worded it better and I could have read the thread better.
Going back to being a lurker?
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Zokes - I have to ask you if you have ever ridden on a footpath?
Not in such a high profile area where it will obviously caus conflict and may have repercussions for other users, no. Have you ever driven at 71 mph on the motorway? What's your point, caller?
Think he's just being a nob, he has moved to oz after all.
I don't think I'll argue that 😉
Another STW internet storm in a tea cup. You could have worded it better and I could have read the thread better.
Ditto
Going back to being a lurker?
Nah! It was going to happen sooner or later, just wasn't expecting it to be quite so soon 😳
I reckon arrive at 6ish gives you a cpl hours darkness to ride/push to the top then you got daylight to descend and still be off before the ban kicks in.
check this out. http://www.bikemagic.com/ride-features/snowdon-stupidity/4702.html
If you're not doing it in the middle of winter, huge gales, icicles growing off your face and brake pistons freezing into position, you're not 'core enough..
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Snowdon is a local place for local people!
I ride, with consideration, on local and largely unused PFs quite a lot. But Snowdon is a special case because of it's status, popularity and terrain/conditions.
Am thinking about going again in Oct to do Ranger's.
Snowdon is a local place for local people!
No, it's a public place with a well-won voluntary ban during the busiest period. Only if that's not respected, it'll become a public place no longer accessible on a bike, which would be a shame.
I still think it should remain local. It would cause a lot less heartache on Internet mountain bike forums. Problem solved.
Have you ever driven at 71 mph on the motorway? What's your point, caller?
well we are an angry young man aren't we? FYI yes I have driven above 70 but then I'm not giving any lectures about speeding am I?
Not in such a high profile area where it will obviously caus conflict and may have repercussions for other users, no.
That'll be a yes, then. No further questions.
Just a quick confirmation for the benefit of Zokes.
Snowdon ascent and decent achieved with a finishing time of 07.55!
so don't worry.
it's ace fun. Do it!
i remember riding down it in 17 min with walleater which might have included a flat or something maybe