[Closed] smoking outside pubs

Binners out of interest do you smoke in front of your kids ?

Does passive gravy inhalation cause cancer now?

EDIT: TJ I agree they should have somewhere to smoke. However myself (and the majority of people who do not smoke) ought to have somewhere outside that is smoke free as well

smokers have been hounded out of pubs and restaurants - leave them somewhere to smoke.

sanctimonious whinging

Junkyard - My kids don't know i smoke. I'd never smoke around mine, or anybody elses kids.

I'd never smoke near people eating either. We're not all inconsiderate bastards you know

Also: if you banned smoking outside pubs, you might as well close half the pubs in the country in advance.

The moaners taking their kids for a meal on a sunny Sunday once a month in the summer, isn't going to keep them open I'm afraid

i rest my case though on smoking as the obvious question is why not and the answer passive smoking etc.
As an ex -smoker and occasional smoker these days you do have my sympathy you should have somehwere to smoke free of whinging annoyed people.
Our smoking shed is a joke ... I still go out with the smokers but dont indulge)

spineless? SFB, I know far braver men than you who smoke.

TJ, did you manage to give up in the end mate?

ongoing process backhander - 8 or 10 wks smoke free now tho.

SFB, I know far braver men than you who smoke.

"braver than SFB" is hardly much of an accolade :o) Perhaps they just pretend to be brave to cover up their craven lack of self discipline ?

Perhaps they just pretend to be brave to cover up their craven lack of self discipline ?

Yeah, because squaddies have a craven lack of self discipline don't they?

FFS, you really are a self righteous, priggish, prat at times, SFB.

because squaddies have a craven lack of self discipline don't they?

isn't that why they joined up so as to be told what to do all the time ?

FFS, you really are a self righteous, priggish, prat at times, SFB.

oh excuse me, you mean this isn't Troll Central ?? I really couldn't care less, but it's fun to tease the defensive smokers!

So in essence you (the smokers) are defending your right to partake in an activity that has no benefits at all and is proven to have a varied long, mid and short term adverse effects. Up to and including death.

If you were discussing some other form of self harm, someone somewhere would be telling you to get help.

Also: if you banned smoking outside pubs, you might as well close half the pubs in the country in advance.

The moaners taking their kids for a meal on a sunny Sunday once a month in the summer, isn't going to keep them open I'm afraid

I think you might find that most pubs make much more from food than they do from self satisfied smokers masturbating, sorry, smoking away with their pint. Do all chemical dependencies result in aggressive self importance or is it just nicotine?

isn't that why they joined up so as to be told what to do all the time ?

TJ, well done you've broken the back of it now I think.
8 months down, no problems. It only gets easier.

[i]I think you might find that most pubs make much more from food[/i]

There's quite a few pubs round my way that don't serve food

SFB - so one must conclude that intelligence is no barrier to stupidity

You might like this pic I took in Newfoundland last summer.... 🙂

[img] [/img]

Anyone who doesn't smoke is just a coward who is scared of lung cancer and heart disease.

Anyone who doesn't like inhaling the toxic product of someone else's "freedom to choose" is a whiner.

There you go, I've saved newcomers 3 pages of catching up.

The only thing that might move the argument forward is some plausible evidence that [i]simply being able to smell cigarette smoke from across the beer garden[/i] is a serious cancer risk.

My guess would be that, while sitting in confined spaces full of smoke clearly is problematic to some extent, sitting in the open air with cigarettes being smoked nearby is simply not very carcinogenic, and compares favourably with other known carcinogens, such as Angel Delight, the Argos Catalogue and anchovies.

If that's right, then the problem is one of whether one likes the smell. And putting it like that doesn't really create a high ground. 🙂

(I don't smoke more than about 3 fags in a heavy year, I just find the frenzied carry-on rather daft.)

i agree, i hope these people don't take their children to fireworks nights and bonfire parties. And I hope you don't drive there, or walk next to a road with all those fumes. And heaven forbid using electricity in your homes because that doesn't cause smells or pollution at all does it.

some plausible evidence that simply being able to smell cigarette smoke from across the beer garden is a serious cancer risk.

That's the precisely problem with smoking - it isn't very dangerous.

You can light up a cigarette, deeply inhale the smoke until you've finished the cigarette, repeat that 30 times a day everyday for the next 30 years, and you might still not get cancer.

Of course two-thirds of smokers will eventually die of smoking related causes, but that requires a lifetime of regular and daily dedicated smoking. If smoking was anywhere as dangerous as some of the sanctimonious self-righteous gits on here claim, then no one would smoke.

lol

I want to live in ernie's world but I can't find blinkers to fit ;-(

Ernie.
What was your point I really am lost [nice feeder line for your own brand of sarcasm /put down 😉 )
By your own admission it kills the majority of participants?

Shooting victims have a higher survival rates so I assume it is now very , very safe to be shot then 🙄 perhaps weekly even ? or am i being silly now ? well you started it

If smoking was anywhere as dangerous as some of the sanctimonious self-righteous gits on here claim, then no would smoker at all

It is in the nature of addiction that addicts do the strangest things to feed their habit. Look at what heroin addicts do for their habit or crack heads for example

With such eminent protagonists as David Hockney, Churchill, I.K. Brunel, Clarkson, Keith Floyd & our very own Tandemjeremy (some of whom are still living) one can only suppose smoking will soon come to be seen as deeply uncool...

As for allegations of self harm, perhaps we're on shaky ground as mountain bikers - though despite my distressingly frequent trips to A&E I think I can credibily argue that MTB has benefitted my health and fitness over the past decade, whereas I don't think many smokers would still claim health benefits (apart from invalidity)

If smoking was anywhere as dangerous as some of the sanctimonious self-righteous gits on here claim, then no one would smoke.

I don't think anyone is suggesting a danger to health from outdoor passive smoking, just that it's unpleasant

I want to live in ernie's world but I can't find blinkers to fit ;-(

And I want to live in a world free of sanctimonious self-righteous gits 😐

Shooting victims have a higher survival rates

so if you randomly shot someone 20 times a day they'd have a better chance of survival than someone who smokes 20 a day?

What was your point I really am lost

My point was that you won't die from sniffing a bit of cigarette smoke.

And it was in reference to BigDummy's post.

I think that smoking is already regarded as uncool.
Perceptions have changed a lot and I think it's far less socially acceptable. I now find that a smoker will normally be the odd one out in any group that I'm in. Makes me worry where the govt are going to look to fill the tax void though.....

Also: if you banned smoking outside pubs, you might as well close half the pubs in the country in advance.

wasn't exactly the same argument advanced for smoking [b]inside[/b] pubs ??

However, we should extend some gratitude to smokers because by reducing their average lifespans they relieve us of supporting them in old age - with steadily falling birthrates the burden of people too old to work but refusing to die will become increasingly problematic

this thread is class, people winging about smokers, before pubs were the place to go for smokers, ok rightly smoking has been banned in them, now people want it banned 100% because it effects them...

ok in that case ban all vehicles as they release far more fumes than a cig, so any non smokers who have a car or motorbike.. your killing me!!!

your outside a pub whats worse? a bit of fumes from someone smoking a cig or people getting p1ssed up and fighting outside said pub?

simonfbarnes - Member

Also: if you banned smoking outside pubs, you might as well close half the pubs in the country in advance.

wasn't exactly the same argument advanced for smoking inside pubs ??

And how many (newly non-smoking) pubs are closing every week, Simon?

Makes me worry where the govt are going to look to fill the tax void though.....

I'm not sure there is any evidence to suggest that there is a net economic gain from smoking. (tax revenue vs the cost to the economy)

Simon, a lot of pubs did close directly as a result of the smoking ban. Drive around and have a look. Mostly pubs which didn't sell hot food. So the smokers now go to pubs which do sell hot food and annoy the diners.

And how many (newly non-smoking) pubs are closing every week, Simon?

why not make up a number ? Bearing in mind the current economic situation I think it would be hard to attribute it to the ban

Drive around and have a look

a) no car
b) don't care

jon, i may be wrong but I seem to remember seeing some figures that show that smokers more than pay for their cost (by quite a lot, too).

And how many (newly non-smoking) pubs are closing every week, Simon?

So here's a question for the smokers.
Why d'you do it? It's got no reedeeming features. (apparently it's not even cool any more)

b) don't care

Well you should. Because it contradicts your claim.

Or, are you saying that you're not bothered about talking bollox ? 💡

a quick mental count yields 26 pubs in easy walking distance of here, and zero closed.

Well you should. Because it contradicts your claim.

I'm cool with that - I don't mind being wrong

I don't believe you.
Not about the pubs, I don't believe that you can count.

I don't believe that you can count.

you're right, since I posted that I've thought of 4 more 🙂

I don't mind being wrong

Well apparently you do ........... because you keep arguing over the point.

because you keep arguing over the point.

and the point is I like arguing :o) The topic is always beside the point.

The topic is always beside the point.

Don't you mean the [i]facts[/i] are always beside the point ?

This thread is testament to the generalisations that are often made about smokers.

number of pubs that have closed since the smoking ban around my part of Glasgow, new area in the north of Glasgow, village in Oxfordshire where my family lives, villages in Ayrshire where more family lives... ZERO.

It is great being able to enjoy going to a pub. I used to avoid pubs due to the smoke. Now I, and countless other people (non smokers who are in the majority in this country) go to pubs more often and increase their business.

that is the reality, not the one the media tried to portray at the start of the smoking ban.

Get back to watching your soaps and barking about your 'rights' to nobody who cares.