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Coming back from the fine weekend at the Isle of Wight (thanks Keith & everybody involved), cruising on the M42 I've noticed a dark grey Touran(?) swerving a bit more than is considered a safe driving. As I was overtaking him I had to stomp on the gas as he almost sweeped us from the lane that we were in. Idiot was snoozing, he actually had his eyes closeds as we were passing by. My first thought was to honk but I was worried that he could pull sharply and cause more problems...
Called the 101, was told that they will try to track him down. What's the best option in such scenario? Overtake and stick the hazards on to try and capture his attention? Slow down and light the hazards on to warn the others? Throw a spanner at him? Capture his crash on camera and sell to YBF? #wwsd
Correct procedure is probably what you did.
Actual procedure may be to give a wide berth and continue.
Overtaking was a mistake. Keep trouble ahead of you as you can always slow down. Calling it in is definitely the right thing to do.
I think I'd rather have the trouble behind me.
This happened to a mate a while back ..after an mtb ride ..if the car behind & the HGV he was heading towards hadn't used their horn..he wouldn't be here now..
I don't think you can level the term "idiot" at the driver ..I will readily admit to this having happened to me before for a few brief seconds ..sometimes not too long into a journey and if motorway warning signs are anything to go by ..its not an uncommon problem " Tiredness can kill ..take a break " ...being a regular overhead warning .
My own car recognises driver tiredness and issues a warning ..
You did what you thought was correct and hopefully your actions may have helped to save not only that drivers life ..but an even bigger catastrophe..
I'm probably in the honk your horn from behind with hazards on to warn others camp ..but as to what is the correct procedure ..I'm not sure if there is one ..
Overtaking was a mistake. Keep trouble ahead of you
That's as maybe, but while there's moonlight and music, and love and romance, let's face the M42 and dial (101).
Overtaking was a mistake. Keep trouble ahead of you as you can always slow down. Calling it in is definitely the right thing to do.
I’m firmly in the get the hell past them as quick as possible camp. If someone is driving unpredictabley the last thing you want is for them to be directly in front of you.
” Tiredness can kill ..take a break ” …
but with irony of service stations with time limits for parking 🙄
Yep, get past them, ASAP.
I’d much rather see an accident happening in my mirrors than directly in front of me, because then you’re at the mercy of whether the people behind you are awake too. You could avoid the crash in front of you then get rear-ended yourself.
Foot down and get them in your mirrors
Should have called 999 as life was in danger
Having driven behind a number of erratic drivers in my time ..( some may have been tired ..others completely pissed ) ..it can be just as dangerous trying to get past in one piece as you can't second guess which direction they are going to move in next ..especially on normal roads ...although it is noted that this was on a motorway ..
Risky business whatever you decide ..
Another for get past ASAP.
After that I'm not sure you could have done more than you did reporting it.
That’s as maybe, but while there’s moonlight and music, and love and romance, let’s face the M42 and dial (101)
*Applauds*
You could report him as a potential drunk driver - weaving, erratic, etc.
Getting pulled over and breathalysed should wake him up a bit.
TBH, I'd probably give him a blast on the horn to at least temporarily return him to consciousness - it might be enough to make him realise his need to pull over for a bit.
Reminds me of my days driving home from night shift, oh how I don't miss that.
I think I’d rather have the trouble behind me.
And to do that you have to risk conflict as the OP did.
Stay behind, stay in control.
Stay behind, stay in control.
And get caught up in the inevitable carnage that ensues? No ta.
On a normal road I’d stay back, find a different route or pull over and report. Motorway, get past as quickly and safely as possible. You have absolutely zero control of the cars behind and to the side of you. Get the hell out of Dodge.
And get caught up in the inevitable carnage that ensues? No ta.
What inevitable carnage?
Staying behind allows you to control the distance between you and the other vehicle. If you're certain he's going to crash then accelerating to get closer is the last thing you want to do.
How was it a mistake in this actual case, like in reality though? Doesn't sound like it was to me.
Plus, you wouldn't know why someone was "swerving a bit" unless you went past.
Hit the horn and lights from behind.
Dial 101 or 999 if he ignores you.
So if you pass him and then he causes carnage behind you later, you'd be fine with that - having not tried to stop it ?
A couple of weeks ago I had an early evening balloon ride then had to drive up from Hindhead to Preston East, took me 2 large caramel lattes, 2 cans of monster, 3 packets of wine gums, and another medium caramel latte with an extra shot 🙂
Got there at 3.15 but didn't get to sleep for a while 🙁
How was it a mistake in this actual case, like in reality though? Doesn’t sound like it was to me.
The clue was in the question:
As I was overtaking him I had to stomp on the gas as he almost swept us from the lane that we were in
Hang back, keep your distance and avoid conflict.
Plus, you wouldn’t know why someone was “swerving a bit” unless you went past.
Not really of any consequence though is it? Curiosity killed the cat, don't forget.
If you need a 2 hour kip in a motorway services you probably shouldn't have set out. A 20-30 min power nap followed by 5 min fresh air / pee is probably enough for most people who have the sense to pull over in the first place. I've done it loads.
Staying behind allows you to control the distance between you and the other vehicle. If you’re certain he’s going to crash then accelerating to get closer is the last thing you want to do.
Huh?
Hang around in perpetuity waiting for the carnage where you're in the middle of an accident (crashed cars in front, high speed vehicles behind) or take advantage of a planned situation executed at the right time (when the gap is wide enough, the driver 'appears' to be in temporary control) to remove the risk entirely?
I know what I'd do. Unless you're saying pull off and stay away (by miles).
I think you probably did the right thing. These things can come on suddenly (I remember once having a bit of an issue when it took 45 minutes to do the 3 minutes to the services I'd decided to pull over and nap at), and hopefully he realised before hitting anything and pulled off at the next services.
I tend to just make sure I leave enough space to get past safely.
I recently had to move to the outside lane to pass a truck that was swerving around between lane one and two, the driver was reading a book. Grrr.
I've dozed off while retiring from a long adventure / challenge day (& night). Dark, motorway, wipers going....
Bolted upright as was about to plough into back of a truck ahead.. adrenaline boost right way, windows open and home with passenger (who'd also nodded off) suddenly very keen on conversation..
Subsequently felt very tired after a long mtb / hike day (thanks @donald) on Ben Alder, this time pulled in to lay-by on A9, out for the count for an hour.
I don’t think you can level the term “idiot” at the driver
I would level it, and worse. The news is constantly full of stories like this:
I think 'idiot' is pretty mild, considering.
I used to do quite a bit of late night motorwaying. It's a strange old world and (for me) used to involve having the window wide open at 75mph, red bull, service station powernaps and all the rest. But I would rather have spent half the night in a service station than get to that state. It's like being 3 or 4 pints drunk behind the wheel IMO. Terrible.
I don’t think you can level the term “idiot” at the driver
I think you probably can. Admittedly decision making is impaired when tired but it should be obvious that a tired driver is more dangerous than a drunk driver as there are periods of time when they’re not reacting due to micro sleeps.
Not difficult to pull into services, have strong cup of coffee and then close your eyes for 30 mins.
Edit: doris5000 said it better than me.
Thanks for your answers!
Looking back I should've probably slow down, flash the hazards and sound the trumpet but I would not feel safe being stuck between him, the potential carnage and the following cars.
If you’re certain he’s going to crash then accelerating to get closer is the last thing you want to do.
That's if I was certain he's going to crash but how could I predict that? Only found out he was in la la land as I levelled with him.
He was snaky but to put my experience into the context - I only drive since the end of April with just 6k miles on the clock so far, on the motorways about 75% of the time. Hence the question, need to know how to react in the future, many thanks for all your suggestions!
Oh, and I think there's no harm calling someone who puts life of other people in danger an idiot (:
Doris & Flaper ..
I still think you are wrong ..why would you call him an idiot ..bear in mind he was on a motorway and tiredness can creep up on you very suddenly ..
Service areas where I live don't crop up every 5 miles ..more like every 20 -30 miles ..so how do you know he didn't intend pulling off the motorway at the next available service area ..or for that matter at the next available exit ?
Your opinion is extremely unreasonable & harsh
I'd have called 999 not 101. People die every day on the roads and stuff like this is exactly how it happens.
And it's absolutely his fault. I've got very tired when driving, and I bloody well pulled over and took a rest. I didn't press on. I get paranoid about falling asleep because it's a VERY BIG DEAL so in the end the effort of staying alert and paying attention gets too much and I have to stop. But then, I try to take driving seriously.
Your opinion is extremely unreasonable & harsh
No, it’s not. Too many people are proud of driving tired. It’s worse than drink driving.
In case it escaped your attention ..he was driving on a motorway ..( you can't just pull onto the hard shoulder for a rest ) ..how do you know that he didn't intend doing what you have suggested at the next available opportunity!?
You actually admitted yourself( Molgrips ) that you have become very tired while driving ..me too ..and countless other people ..did your eyes ever close just for a second ..( now be truthful here ) ..do you consider yourself an idiot for driving while tired ..?
If the cap fits ..
I got very tired on the M1 today, very scary...felt fine when I set off this afternoon, and fine when I joined the motorway.
Half an hour later and I’m flagging with 11 long miles to the next services.
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</p><p>Aye, except in my case it's the idiots crossing into my lane scaring the shit out of me that does me in.</p><p></p>Reminds me of my days driving home from night shift, oh how I don’t miss that.
Service areas where I live don’t crop up every 5 miles ..more like every 20 -30 miles ..
Assuming one would travel at 70mph it only takes
Half an hour later and I’m flagging
I guess it's time to stock up on these little fellas:
I’d have called 999 not 101. People die every day on the roads and stuff like this is exactly how it happens.
My cousin was in an RTA where the other driver had fallen asleep at the wheel. Apparently it's not much fun being hit by someone going at 60mph on the wrong side of the road.
I totally agree ..and I'm not for one minute suggesting that you should plough on regardless ..merely that sometimes circumstances dictate that you can't just stop straight away ( as in being on a motorway miles away from the next exit / service area ) .
I've had a bit of luck getting two sleepy drivers to pull into services. Remember that a sleepy driver is a whole different scenario from tail gating phone using entitled middle lane hog so you are less likely to end up with an adverse reaction, and more likely embarrassment.
I tend to hang back and go a bit nuts with full beam when they start leaving their lane, if they are not aware I'll get closer but often in an adjacent lane and use plenty of horn as well. Once they get near a services I'll make it obvious they should be taking the slip road. Generally the realisation they have been clocked tends to wake them up a bit anyway.
I imagine most night drivers have struggled at some point, I reluctantly came off a night call out rota and forfeited about £4000 in retainer and overtime because of the driving distances and tiredness after completing what could be a regular 10hr shift followed by another 8-10hr emergency callout just as my head was about to hit the pillow.
I imagine most night drivers have struggled at some point, I reluctantly came off a night call out rota and forfeited about £4000 in retainer and overtime because of the driving distances and tiredness after completing what could be a regular 10hr shift followed by another 8-10hr emergency callout just as my head was about to hit the pillow.
I've spent 'nuff nights asleep in little side roads off the A55 or tucked away in a pub car park in Cumbria. Was always drilled into us at work if we felt tired we were to stop at the earliest available opportunity and get our heads down for a bit.
Worst day ever involved carlise, workington, whitehaven and home, then called out to Llanfairfechan, twice in the night. Thankfully I hadn't made it all the way home!
There really is no excuse for it, OP I think you did exactly the right thing, i'm just impressed that you managed to get through to 101
It's something I've thought about a lot over the years, why we don't allow HGV/PSV drivers to drive more than x hours, but there's loads of working folks spending way more than that in cars and big vans.
Some guys I've worked with will think nothing of driving 6 hours south to mibbe witness a factory acceptance test for a few hours, then drive the 6 hours back home.
**** that.
we don’t allow HGV/PSV drivers to drive more than x hours,
And yet there was that 78 year old bus driver working 75 hours a week (who then crashed the bus and killed 2 people). How on earth did he get away with it for so long?????
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-45561937
There will always be exceptions, persons or firms that break the rules, unfortunately.
Staying behind allows you to control the distance between you and the other vehicle. If you’re certain he’s going to crash then accelerating to get closer is the last thing you want to do.
Yip, that’s what I’d do too.
Also.. I’d be on the phone to 999 explaining the situation. It’s easy to deploy a Plod to the scene on Motorways and they’re keen on getting to the incident quickly for fear of escalating the issue by not responding.
Also, should you witness “an incident” you should be there to provide accurate narrative/description of what happened prior/during/post incident to Plod.
You can only do that by staying behind the aforementioned vehicle.
Service areas where I live don’t crop up every 5 miles ..more like every 20 -30 miles ..so how do you know he didn’t intend pulling off the motorway at the next available service area ..or for that matter at the next available exit ?
Your opinion is extremely unreasonable & harsh
I don't think it's harsh. I mean, people on this thread are saying this situation requires a 999 call. It may or may not, but if you are causing people to call out the emergency services then 'idiot' might apply.
It comes down to your own physiology. Yes, a wave of intense tiredness can come on suddenly, but not THAT suddenly. It doesn't happen at 9am. Or on a sunny afternoon drive. It's predictable to an extent - like after a long day, you're already pretty tired, it's dark, you've got 100 miles to do. And we've probably all done it once, and thought 'God, I won't do that again'.
You're taking a calculated risk, when you're tired and get on the motorway, based on what you know about your own body. And then a further calculated risk, every time you go past a services and decide to press on.
So if you find yourself halfway between services, and a wave of tiredness hits, what it actually means is that 10ish minutes ago, when you went past the last stop, you thought 'no, I'm fine for a while yet' - and you were hopelessly, wildly wrong. You were cutting it way too fine and have now ****ed it up. It's the kind of mistake that you shouldn't be making as a driver. You just shouldn't. Because IMO the aim of the game isn't to walk right up to the line of extreme tiredness and then pull back, it's to make sure you don't get anywhere near it in the first place.
So I think if you're trying to cut it fine, and you get it wrong, and find yourself dropping off and drifting out of your lane, and strangers are wondering whether to call 999 to ensure that no-one dies, 'idiot' is fair. If your plan is just to wait until you are that tired, and THEN look for the next services, 'idiot' isn't strong enough.
Sorry for essay. But I do get a bit of a bee in my bonnet about it.
*(but i do have sympathy for people like doctors who could get put in those situations and it's not really under their control).
I have always had an issue driving on the motorway around 4pm - it seems to be a real low point in my rhythm- Ok in the city or back roads but Motorway or long A roads I avoid or just wait till after 5pm.
Wouldn't hesitate to call 999 if someone was weaving over the road - could be drunk and tired!