I would have been asked to leave. You did well to only get a bit angry.

Tricky not to get angry in the circumstances, having twins in two weeks and our hospital has been great so far but not sure I would be a happy bunny if I felt they were receiving sub standard treatment.

What can you expect from a service which sees such a small percentage of the budget thrown its way. 🙄

If its any consolation, the birthing suite my wife gave birth to my daughter in had all the window blinds hanging in tatters, a pile of dirty hospital scrubs piled in the corner and some unknown brown substance smeared across one of the walls and no, it wasn't in some 3rd world country, rather it was in Epsom General Hospital.

Now days my family are all covered by private healthcare (free from work). The NHS may patch me up when I crash on my bike but I'm not staying in one of their disgusting wards or waiting forever for further treatment.

Now days my family are all covered by private healthcare (free from work). The NHS may patch me up when I crash on my bike but I'm not staying in one of their disgusting wards or waiting forever for further treatment.

I have them covered private, but BUPA don't do A&E S&J, GP had sent one of the twins from the surgery straight to A&E.

Borders General is a great hospital BTW.

Ealing Germeral isn't!

my aunt is one of the top five mid-wives in the UK. her region is the south-east. she deals with every thing mid-wifey that goes on. she said to my GF and not to have our kids in the UK when the time comes.

she says the facilities and care given are not those of a developed country such as briatin.

sorry akira and others that are expecting but it's kinda how it is. obviously doesn't mean all UK maternity wards are the same.

Actually, some of the pre and post natal care was very good, pediatric seems to be a whole different matter.

Hmm, and our lovely Government spend HOW MUCH on 'defence'???

****s. Stop being the US's poodle, and look after people here!

Similar experience. When my wife went into labour, the hospital refused to admit her for 48 hours (three trips to hospital, at their request, and then back home again). When they did admit her, they still left her in a waiting room for 8 hours.

At this stage, she was running a fever and both she and the baby had accelerated heart rates. Cue massive doses of IV antibiotics, infected placenta, and eventual emergency caesarean.

Thanks, Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh!

So you raised hell with a service offering some assistance.

Surely you should go and shout at your private health care provider for not doing anything at all.

Also, these private healthcare policies you have, do they cover you for lifelong conditions? I put £3k per week packages in place sometimes for individuals who may live for another 30-40years.

Your private healthcare gonna do that?

Wife used to work for BUPA, elective surgery - no problem.

Difficulty doring post or pre surgery and they'd 999 you to the local NHS hospital.

Private OK for certain things, but please don't think it will cover you for all eventualities.

Doesn't sound like a good experience at all djglover

I can honestly say that I have never had a single incident with our local hospitals that I thought was anything other than as I would like/expect
We seem to have been there a lot in the last few years too with births & deaths etc.

alpin - Member

my aunt is one of the top five mid-wives in the UK. her region is the south-east. she deals with every thing mid-wifey that goes on. she said to my GF and not to have our kids in the UK when the time comes.

she says the facilities and care given are not those of a developed country such as briatin.

sorry akira and others that are expecting but it's kinda how it is. obviously doesn't mean all UK maternity wards are

I bet she's going to love you for broadcasting her views over the net (if she [i]is[/i] in charge of midwifery in the SE, I guess it's a pretty political job...)

 

Also, these private healthcare policies you have, do they cover you for lifelong conditions?

Policies from employers usually do - they don't even ask for any medical details when you become a member.

The joys of under-funding. They probably didn't put them into a ward because they didn't have the space.

No point in shouting at the consultants to be honest (though I can understand why you did). Do write to your MP though.

I thank the gods of fate that I ended up living in a sparsely populated part of wales during my 'maternity ward' years.
Withybush hospital in Haverfordwest gave my waife fantastic care during the births of both our kids. I can only imagine how awful it must be to get substandard care druing such an emotional and stressful time. Especially twins.
There was a panorama or other such programme on the BBC last year about maternity wards...I think all the bad ones were in major cities and all the good ones in the 'quieter' parts of the country...postcode lottery time I guess.
I hope you get some better home treatment from your health visitors etc.
I hope yer kids and wife are as well as can be expected(!)...good luck.

As sc-xc says, this could get her into proper poo with the NMC and employers.

dangerousbeans, what's your problem? I didn't raise hell, I raised my voice with the most senior doctors in charge of the ward who had failed to offer any care to 2 premature babys for 8 hours even though they were supposed to be being admitted for observation.

uplink.

I'd still be dubious.

Worked with a 12 y/o kid who fell out of a tree, serious brain damage.

NHS picked up his care package through Continuing Needs and will be around the aforementioned £150,000 per annum plus medical care in acute hospital - probably 1/4 million per year.

Lad could live to a normal adult age - I am not sure that some exclusion could be found by private companies.

alpin - Member

my aunt is one of the top five mid-wives in the UK

as an allied health professional i wasn't aware of any league tables within the professions, i wonder where i'd come in? certainly i hope within the top 5!!!

and FWIW the NHS has provided me with excellent facilities for both my children's births, 1st rate, and i'm pretty damn sure my 1st born wouldn't be sound asleep upstairs now without there dedication and bloody hard work/professionalism.

im guessing everyone has good and bad to say about their own experiences.

djlover,

no problem with you - just get sick of hearing how good the private care is when these threads come up when, for example your case, this is blatently not true.

Both my wife and me are nurses and committed to ensuring all our patients recieve the best care possible -verbal and physical abuse are quite often our reward.

dangerousbeans - my wife has epilepsy & it's covered her for a couple of things relating to it over the last few years

AXA/PPP from work BTW

Maybe time that NHS provided only basic care and everyone pays for more complex treatments.

DJ, first of all relax, then tomorrow write a letter to
a, the hospital,
b, the local health board,
c, your local mp,

keep copies of them and send recorded mail, so they cant say they havent got them, put in the letter if you dont get a responce in a reasonable time 14 days youre going to the papers and tv, as for shouting at the drs, they have no control, its the management you need to get annoyed with, demand a meeting and take a witness, as theyll come mob handed, , probaly a manager, a complaints manager, , somebody to take notes and a few others, i know because i had 12 people when i made a formal complaint, oh and dont give up, get angry, you would if it was a shop, or resturaunt that gave poor service.

And don't forget to claim a good whack of compensation - that'll teach them.

uplink - Member
Doesn't sound like a good experience at all djglover

I can honestly say that I have never had a single incident with our local hospitals that I thought was anything other than as I would like/expect
We seem to have been there a lot in the last few years too with births & deaths etc.

I'd say pretty much the same at, I'd guess, the same hospital. Maybe you should have stayed in Darlo djglover?

And don't forget to claim a good whack of compensation - that'll teach them.

No, I won't be doing that. Sorry if you are bearing the whole of the NHS's burdens on your sholders, FWIW all but one of the dozens and dozens of nurses we have dealt with over the last 3 months have been simply amazing. unfortunatley it seems the service is let down by others

Maybe you should have stayed in Darlo djglover?

Mike, yeah, a nice provincial general would have been a boon for this particular incident

And don't forget to claim a good whack of compensation - that'll teach them.

Yup less money in the pot.

djglover,

You're one a the few that don't then, big part of our local NHS A and E budget is earmarked for compensation every year.

Suppose I get a bit whizzed off at times ( and I can't let off steam at work!!!!) and shouldn't really have aimed it at you.

Was assaulted a 5 weeks ago and am currently undergoing the blood tests for hepatitis (poor status) and, if I choose, HIV, (although this will probably mean I will have difficulty getting life assurance so may decline it and take the risk).

Took the Trust 3 days to let me know if they would uphold any defence on my part if he claimed cos my 'Managing Violence and Aggression' training was out of date due to all courses being full - its your own responsibility to ensure you stay up to date!

Applied for the traoning again this week and all courses are still full.

My partner's a nurse on a kids ward in Leeds GI, the other day she was in charge (acting up to sister basically) & the bed manager phones to tell her she's sending one up from A & E. Sue says 'that's pointless cos we don't have any beds, wer'e full', bed manager says, 'I don't care, I'm sending them anyway', & Sue's like, '?????!!!!!*****^&%$&&*' It's all to keep the 'waiting list' numbers down, they get rid out of A & E so the figures look good.

esselgruntfuttock, that is excactly what happened to us, they were moved out of A&E to a coridor after 4 hours.

In my experience of hospitals (premature twins in for 9 weeks plus other various visits with our 5 kids and the other half!) is that sometimes unless you become a massive pain in the arse and/or get angry you will be put to the back of the queue. The staff arent that organised, so much so they seem to take a firefighting mentality. I think 8 hours was incredibly patient (no pun intended) personally I would have given them an hour max. Dont rely on other people to look after your families best interests, thats your job.
Having said all of that, organisation apart the NHS does do a great job in difficult circumstances.

danderousbeans - If the NHS is at fault for something shouldn't some sort of compensation be available?

I clicked on this thread expecting to hear the usual misguided crap about people slagging off the NHS

Then I saw the magic word

"Ealing'

Its shite

Utter utter shite

Seriously shite

Where do you live?

Everytime I visit West London I have an escape plan in mind in case I am ill - and Im not kidding

I have had terrible experiences at the place

Its awful

Good luck

Several staff have actually said to me that the best thing to do would be to raise it to the ground and start again.

Bit drunck. and cant be aresd to read entire thread! I think the NHS is the most anasing service we have in this counry and it is the envy of most of the western world! If you dont like it ...try living somewhere else, and get the same healthcare.
Love colnagokid 😀

Raize it t the ground

Wee on it

Take a nasty dump too

And then go somewhere else would be my advice
(But not the West midd or Northwick Park)

I'm sorry to hear you and your family had a bad experience with the NHS. I often wonder whether privatising these things (hospitals) would make them more efficient / more accountable in the event of an error?

Jonathan

Sorry! and god bless and good look to you DGLover, I was somewhat disterbed by a je#k else where!
Sorry again if I seem to be negative, best wishes and good luck
Love Colnagokid

Oxboy wrote

unless you become a massive pain in the arse and/or get angry you will be put to the back of the queue

The staff arent that organised, so much so they seem to take a firefighting mentality.

I don't know how you could be bothered to waste your time with such a cr@ppy disorganised service, which has somehow managed to firefight their way to treating your wife and 5 kids ?

Oh sorry, I nearly missed your point that [b]YOUR FAMILY[/b] actually manage to get to the front of the queue by being an angry massive pain in the @rse, presumably, using your logic, to the detriment of the other less angry minor arse-aches who appreciate the service provided.

I will resist the temptation to call you an ignorant, arrogant, selfish b@st@rd but I think there may be some who would think of you in that way.

It's spelt paediatric (unless you're American).

[i]my aunt is one of the top five mid-wives in the UK. her region is the south-east. she deals with every thing mid-wifey that goes on. she said to my GF and not to have our kids in the UK when the time comes[/i]

And she made it to the top 5 in the UK?

Talking out of her arse which is incredible with her head so far up it.

sounds a grim experience djglover. I hope Mrs D and the Double-Ds are all OK now and strengthening up fast.
Stoner Jr dropped in on us 10 weeks early. Whilst I think most midwifery=quackery, the neo-natal ICU team at Worcester Trust are fantastic and their modest ward is supperbly run. Not much Bupa is going to do for you on days like that.

As for transitional care though, it was back into the hands of the clucking unemployable middleaged matrons.

DJ you were well within your rights to lose your rag. How many times have they left people in that situation before and the father has quietly fumed and let it go?
On my last visit to the royal Free in Hampstead I watched someone repaint a wall in a corridor- painting over dirt/what looked like food. Nice quick way to clean up hey?

Did shouting at them fix the issue?

I know the few times I've been in A&E it's always the ones who are effing and blinding who get all the attention. I've been sat there quietly for hours whilst a succession of aggressive and vocal people get wheeled past me where *all* the doctors crowd round them and get them sorted sharpish.

GrahamS - Member
The joys of under-funding. They probably didn't put them into a ward because they didn't have the space.

But the NHS isn't underfunded. The problem is that they spend their funding badly. Only a small proportion of their funds goes directly on patient care, and don't forget - the NHS exists for the benefit of doctors, not patients.

UK maternity wards operate like air traffic control trying to ship people in and out, the system works until they are full because that starts a cascade as the diverted people fill the next one etc

if you need to use their facilities on a bad day you need to start to assess your situation and if you need to shout do so in a "non threatening" manner as they will be fire fighting

the rest of the care in maternity based on my ltd experience is very variable, a lot of the midwives seem to have lost their empathy and their ablility to properly hand over at the shift changeover. The midwives who did bother to smile and read the notes made a tremendous difference

What a load of old bollocks has been spouted on here!!

While i empathise with your situation, what do you expect the doctors to do. They can't build a new changing and feeding facility for you, I imagine they were extremely busy and overworked in the overcrowded conditions of the NHS. They they get shouted at. a rational human being would complain to the trust/Mp etc - ie the purse string holders who could do something about it. Unless the staff had been rude to you you have no right to abuse them and probably made an idiot out of yourself.

And as for queue jumping in a+e. I can guarantee that in the departments i worked in if you shouted and screamed about your sprained ankle when their were life and death situations elsewhere in the department you would have an extended wait or be removed from the department by security/police.

And as for the NHS being run by doctors- it's not it's run by managers who are jumping through hoops to meet government imposed targets- like you being kicked out of a+e after 4 hours to no bed- that's meeting a government target on a+e stays and waits. patients increasingly are being lost in these targets.

As for private care - great if you can afford it but they don't do acute medicine in the Uk and nearly all high risk procedures are done in NHS hospitals with adequate intensive care and clinical backup.

I believe the running of the nhs should be taken back by patient groups and health care professionals. constant government meddling and changes are destroying the NHS. I started my career 10m years ago with great hope that a labour government would improve things. sadly they have made it worse by spending more and more and bureaucracy and less on the fromntline- beds, staff etc

However we should count ourselves lucky we have a health service that doesnt turn you away if you don't have cover or a bulging wallet.

Jenga what piffle. Only a small proportion goes on health care - piffle- the NHS is very badly underfunded. We spend a smaller proportion of GDP on healthcare than most other nations. When labour came to power it was under 8% of gdp, it is now over 9%. Most European countries spend over 12%, usa nearly 20%. A 25% increase in budget to bring us to European norms is what is needed

Our NHS does more for less than any other healthcare system, is cheaper to administer and is more efficient. It simply needs more money

Can you think of any public service that has got better in private ownership??

BT?? no
British gas?? hell no
Electricity??
BP?
Water?

Heaven help us all if the nhs goes fully private!

You know, if the NHS were privatised, the loss of free healthcare would be a travesty to millions who can't afford to go private.

And don't for one minute think Private Healthcare is better - it's the same.........same nursing staff, same Dr's, same medicines etc etc etc - you just pay for it!

I've worked in both, and am now a line manager within NHS. Now I'm not about to say the NHS is without fault - god no; we are desperately short of staff, we are so overstretched and pushed beyond what is reasonably expected and significantly underfunded; my department is about £1.2m short on it's staffing budget!!

No-one should experience the neglect experienced by djglover, and for what it's worth I think any reasonable person (especially a new dad), would get frustrated and angry - but i think I speak for the majority of NHS workers....we want to serve to the best of our ability - but we need bigger investments inorder to acheive that.

While i empathise with your situation, what do you expect the doctors to do. They can't build a new changing and feeding facility for you, I imagine they were extremely busy and overworked in the overcrowded conditions of the NHS. They they get shouted at. a rational human being would complain to the trust/Mp etc - ie the purse string holders who could do something about it. Unless the staff had been rude to you you have no right to abuse them and probably made an idiot out of yourself.

You're telling me that these people have no infuence over what goes on on the ground are you. I simply don't believe it. The registrar on the day was clearly more intrested in having a smoking break than progressing anything, when I arrived at the hospital there were several empty rooms that could have been offered and no obeservations had been taken.

I didn't abuse anyone pal, in future if everytime your sensitive soul hears a raised voice - heres a clue, they might be angry with reason, not abusing someone.

Just for once I feel like calling Drac a **** for his comment above, which is unfortunate as I have every respect for what he does, and he usually talks sense. In my experience, paramedics fix people at the scene and drop them off at the hospital, so wouldn't necessarily know what goes on after that. I'm sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Otherwise, I say 'Welcome to Britain, ladies and gentlemen, it's shite'. The so called Health Service will probably kill you. And if it doesn't do it with poor treatment it will probably do so by infecting you with something horrible or refusing to allow you to pay for top-up treatments. Alan Johnson you are a murderer.

Granted, paramedics are (in my thankfully extremely limited experience) bl00dy excellent, but pretty much EVERYTHING else I have seen and heard (from friends and family, not just in the news) about the NHS is just utterly shiite (like the rest of this stupid country).

Apart from the dedication of most of the nurses (not the shiity female doctor in North Hants) whom I have met, that is. They work their bits off in very difficult and underfunded and underpaid circumstances).

From the limited amount I have heard about other Northern European hosptals they are much better places with lower acquired infection rates and better service.

I didn't abuse anyone pal, in future if everytime your sensitive soul hears a raised voice - heres a clue, they might be angry with reason, not abusing someone.

and there is the rub; 'I was wronged, I had a right to shout at them and I don't consider it abuse' well done.

Julian - that is simply a result of spending more - 25-40% more. Simple isn't it. Spend more get a better service

How do you know if these rooms were staffed? If there were no nursing staff to cover these empty rooms then they cannot be used- a funding issue. No amount of doctor influence can change that! and i know as in any profession there are good and bad eggs.

and FYI when i'm trying to help someone shouting is abuse full stop. If someone shouts sorry i simply switch off til they calm down.

and there is the rub; 'I was wronged, I had a right to shout at them and I don't consider it abuse' well done.

And you are making a judgement on me as an abuser without having been there, nice work dude.

Shouting <> abuse, FWIW I didn't use any abusive words, just fairly objective but loud ones

DrNickRiviera, it strikes me that you find these conditions almost acceptabe, which I find worrying

Shouting is abuse - simple as. Sorry mate - no matter what the temptation shouting at service staff is always wrong. In Lothian you might well have been escorted to the door for doing so. Zero tolerence

TandemJeremy - Member
Jenga what piffle. Only a small proportion goes on health care - piffle- the NHS is very badly underfunded

Ah, the last respite of the pinko lefties. Spend more taxpayers money on state schemes and all will be well. Is there a union for NHS patients to join?

Anyway - congratulations on the twins. Forget about the sh*t and cocentrate n your great new family! We go for our 20 wk scan on Wednesday - expecting twins as well. There seems to be a few on here with 'double joy'.

Jenga - the truth hurts? Its clear and objective - we spend far less on healthcare than other comparable countries and we do stuff cheaper. Its a fact.

If you want a better NHS then it needs significantly more money and better quality better trained managers. Our clinical staff are amongst the best trained in the world. Our NHS managers are rubbish, our budgets are far too low.

You get what you pay for and we pay for a secondrate service.

TJ - I thought we spent more and more on the Health Service in this country anyway - it doesn't seem to have helped. What do other countries do differently? - ah, yes, they are smarter and more efficient than the idiots running this dump.

Shouting at people is quite understandable if they are being ****s. I might well have punched the woman doctor who was so rude to me and so non-understanding of my wife's situation if my wife was going to be discharged that day, but I didn't as she could well have made life even worse for us.

Cow. I wish I could remember who she was so that I could go back and sort her out.

Shouting is abuse - simple as. Sorry mate - no matter what the temptation shouting at service staff is always wrong. In Lothian you might well have been escorted to the door for doing so. Zero tolerence

Most shouting is not abuse TJ, as I have said I know its not big or clever to shout at people in the NHS and I expect a lot of people do shout [b]abuse[/b] at Drs and Nurses, I just wanted to clear that up. Abuse insinuates the use of threats or insults. Quite different to rasing your voice to make a point, which seems acceptable in many walks of life other than in a hospital BTW. However I can quite understand why you all switch off when people shout if there is nothing you can do to resolve a situation

The whole problem is modern management techniques - the same sort of thing that gave us this financial hole.

So called professional managers who have never worked the floor - clueless box tickers with a shiny diploma. A proper professional would resist cuts that endangered people and resign if necessary.

Return to the days when the quality of the service was paramount and nursing and medical staff were allowed and expected to take pride in their work.

Julian - or spending has gone from 7.3% of GDP to 8.8% over ten yrs. The European average is around 12%, USA nearer 20%. Why are other countries better - they spend more ( and less efficiently)

djglover - sorry mate - shouting is abuse in any form. No matter the content. Abuse does not insinuate the use of threats and anyway raising your voice is threatening in itself. Don't get me wrong - I am not condemning what you did and I can understand the frustration but getting angry and shouting is abuse

Rather than abusing the frontline workers in this situation you would be better asking for the duty manager and complaining to them.

I'm sorry to any raising their voice at me whilst I'm there to help them is pretty much told to calm down or there will be no treatment. I don't think raising your voice to anyone trying to do their job is acceptable health carers or otherwise.

If you have had problems there should a patient liaison group you can talk too some hospitals even have a rep availble 24/7.

You need to calm down and complain through the appropriate channels mate. i do care alot about the inadequacies of the service but there is nothing I can do to change this on a personal level. The BMA are as good as useless and the trusts and government spin target results to say things are getting better and feed this to the media. The way I get through my days at works is by doing my job to the best of my abilities within the constraints of the system- If i didnt do this i'd go mad. i know of loads of cases where patient care has suffered due to lack of facilities and undermanning. There is no way your wife and twins should have been treated in the corridor- that is completely unnaccepatable. If the paeds reg buggered off for a fag break rather than treat you that is unnaceptable too. calm down put it in writing to the complaints office expresing your concerns. unfortunately there is not enough hospital capacity to meet the needs of our population. This is why you were stuck in the corridor . However by losing your rag and shouting at staff you have given the hospital a defence already.

the most important thing is though I hope your kids are better.

Well said Dr Nick.

[i] epicyclo - Member

The whole problem is modern management techniques - the same sort of thing that gave us this financial hole.

So called professional managers who have never worked the floor - clueless box tickers with a shiny diploma. A proper professional would resist cuts that endangered people and resign if necessary.

Return to the days when the quality of the service was paramount and nursing and medical staff were allowed and expected to take pride in their work. [/i]

Classic daily mail ism.

The quality of NHS management is generally low - why - because the managers involved are poorly trained skilled and paid. We actually spend far less on administration of the NHS than our European neighbours. One of the reasons most of them are crap (the managers) is that they are promoted shop floor staff with poor management skills.

There are no cuts - budgets are expanding - just less than costs and expectations are.

The loss of pride and morale is amongst front line staff is down to two main issues. Professional pride and the pressure staff are under - how dispiriting is it to work as hard as you can and do a barely adequate job because of reasons outwith your control? and the second is public and political views. Constant drip drip of negative stories and political pointscoring leading folk to expect the worst and to slag off the healthcare frontline staff.

the NHS exists for the benefit of doctors, not patients

I've dealt with a lot of doctors recently. Believe me they work **yikes!** hard.

TJ- welcome back.

[i]Quite different to rasing your voice to make a point, which seems acceptable in many walks of life[/i]

'seems' being the key word here. It certainly may [i]seem[/i] it to some people, but it most certainly [b]isn't[/b] acceptable, whatever the setting. Just serves to highlight a lack of communication skills.

Thanks for your 'feedback' 🙄

[b]Jenga: [/b]But the NHS isn't underfunded. The problem is that they spend their funding badly. Only a small proportion of their funds goes directly on patient care, and don't forget - the NHS exists for the benefit of doctors, not patients.

Sorry but that is utter bollocks.

They are massively under-funded and poorly managed. My wife is a registrar. On the last hospital she worked at they were short staffed by at least one registrar and two juniors for the entire time she was there. They simply couldn't afford extra cover. Of course they couldn't legally ask the doctors to work any more hours either, but the doctors knew that if they didn't then patient care would be affected.

Do you really think if it was [i]"run for the benefit of doctors"[/i] that they would be pulling 80+ hours a week and still be expected to complete studies, write research papers and make case presentations in their spare time??

[i]You need to calm down and complain through the appropriate channels mate.[/i]

This is of course correct. The trouble is (and this is not just a health service issue) the "appropriate channel" is one that has been specially set up with the express purpose of Not Giving A Rat's Ass from specially designed premises on the outskirts of Slough and is willing to play "Ode to Joy" to telephone callers or to lose correspondence until all targets for efficiently denying that anyone has anything to complain about have been met.

🙂

i presume as they were waiting for 8 hours that they werent actually that ill?

could be the hospital might have been unusually busy?

i`m sure they would have sorted you out if they had opportunity. the nurses i know dont like leaving people unattended but sometimes its unavoidable.

rant at the government. (ie dont shoot the messenger) hospital staff do their best in difficut situations.

i sincerely hope the next time you need A&E care through falling off your bike they make you suffer for being a dick.

i sincerely hope they make you suffer

And I hope you die in a freak yachting accident.

i would never have done that during my time in a+e- now that would be unprofessional!!

and I hope you die in a freak yachting accident.

You need a reality check mate

Yes it is wrong your wife and babies had to be treated in a corridor for eight hours. I would like to know how are they now and are they ok. have they come to any harm through this terrible ordeal?

however most of your threads on here are angry or sarcastic and this one is simply innapropriate and immature. this gives me the impression you innapropriately flew off the handle and laid into medical staff who were trying to help your family. for the sake of your kids grow up and get some anger management classes!