[Closed] Should this lad have his life ended

Solitary for the rest of his days is the punishment I would give him. I would also give him enough rope with which to hang himself, but nothing to tie it to.

What Goan said.

you make a fair point goan.

Tragic & v sad indictment on society that life has such little value now - hang the ****er!

in the good old days his facial features would have branded him a deviant and he'd be shipped to Oz

Meh, they are both scummers, no loss to society if he had done the job properly IMHO 🙄

The only way forward is harder sentances - not longer, but include hard labour which can be seen by the public, much like the American chain gangs 💡

i wouldnt waste two bullets on them leave them to the pearents to the victims

I like the idea of chain gangs a lot - but some poor darlings feelings would be hurt & then some bleeding heart liberal would take up the case & it would end up the Court of Huma Rights & WE would be the ones ending up doing time..Grrr..

You can take the Scouser out of Liverpool...

To be honest, given what the other one had done, I'd quite happily see it set up as a pay to watch deathmatch, let the little ****s do each other in and save us the cost of keeping them both in prison for the next couple of decades

Lets all vote for Zulu at the next election...

zulu

Not a scouser - but that is unbelievably offensive

taka despite the obvious grammer mistake thats the first thing you have ever said that I agree with g

tops its not nice but hardly warrants being termed unbelievably offensive..Holocaust denial now thats unbelievably offensive.

Oh, sorry tops - however, personally, I find the fact that the lad who killed Rhys is going to be walking the streets in a few years, and the other murderer in a similar amount of time, despite both being given life sentences, pretty ****ing offensive really.

Zulu, born and bred Woolyback! (nah, not really, South Wirral squirrel technically)

I agree Zulu - but to tar all scousers with the same brush as that scum is more than just not nice. Especially considering Rhys' family are scousers.

The only way forward is harder sentances - not longer, but include hard labour which can be seen by the public, much like the American chain gangs

Yup that's why there's no crime in America.

z-11 He is serving at 22 years MINIMUM no maximum so he cannot be out in a few years.

Is the irony of suggesting we kill/torture/maim someone for killing someone else lost on you people?

Zulu you're not a fat monkey as well are you. No offence if you have no idea what I am talking about.

On the subject though let them kill each other and make their families pay for their jail time not us.

parents happy now justme? 😉

z-11 He is serving at 22 years MINIMUM no maximum so he cannot be out in a few years.

Tell you what, I'll stick a hundred quid in a high interest account, and if he's still inside in 21 years time, I'll give you the lot...

Part of me believes in rehabilitation, and that people can stop doing bad, and start doing some good.

However,

In this case, death is too short, and dare I say, easy way out. A little (lot) manual labour to repay his debt to society I feel would not go amiss, nor be an inappropriate punishment.

I think one of the hardest issues to cope with is humiliation, being forced to wear a 'prisoner' high-vis and be out grafting in the public eye (motorway repair, road repair, cleaning of public spaces & buildings etc etc)

jt

Is the irony of suggesting we kill/torture/maim someone for killing someone else lost on you people?

No, believe it or not I'm quite liberal, it's just he killed a little lad, gloated and now has tried to murder another prisoner. Now in my mind he has no real use to anyone is costing alot of money, so why not get rid. Well perhaps leave him to think for a decade or so, then get rid. Sounds horrible but he has no use.

I think one of the hardest issues to cope with is humiliation, being forced to wear a 'prisoner' high-vis and be out grafting in the public eye (motorway repair, road repair, cleaning of public spaces & buildings etc etc)

i wouldn't trust him out his cell let alone prison walls.

Now in my mind he has no real use to anyone is costing alot of money, so why not get rid.

Whilst I understand your reason the problem is that both you and the killer have put a low value to life. We must aspire to be better than scum like that surely?

[i]Yup that's why there's no crime in America.[/i]

yet by comparison, per capita, there's very little crime in Canada, yet they share the same landmass.
I reckon it's down to all the bears.

yeah, that's right. feed 'em to the bears

Ok, so you are suggesting that we should give these people jobs, when theres high unemployement? Bad idea in my opinion.

Now, give them a pile of horse sh1t, tell them to move x ammount, then the ext dcay, move it back. Everyday. Allways. That is pointless hard labour. Not taking jobs from the hopefully innocent public.

Shame the lad he attacked didnt manage to stab him what a scumbag. One the subject of scousers, I went to Liverpool shopping during half term and it was a lot more chilled and friendlier than that dump Manchester, last time I was in Manchester there I thought I was in the middle east. Couldnt wait to leave.

Whilst I understand your reason the problem is that both you and the killer have put a low value to life. We must aspire to be better than scum like that surely?

I can't say your wrong because your not, but i can't see him reforming and being of use outside those walls. Perhaps the young lad rhys parents should have a say in his outcome.

thats 1 less piece of shite left on the planet.

Nobody think that my solution is ever so slightly barbaric and totally ****ed up?

Nobody think that my solution is ever so slightly barbaric and totally * up?

Yes, of course it was - if there was something to hang himself from. But no, there wasn't, and so it was just * up. Are you disappointed you didn't get a reaction?

one knife each - welcome to the thunderdome.

tails is spot on here. As I've said countless times before, as a serving 'screw' I'm working in close proximity to these type of people, all day, every day & as a result you get an idea of which ones are 'rehabilitate-able' & without knowing him on a personal level, I wouldn't think there's much hope for him TBH.
So unfortunately you & I, the taxpayer, will be footing the bill for looking after him for about 22 years. (X that by the 30k a year & thats what...oohh about 660k) & thats just ONE! (at todays money) If you want me to find out how many more there are in the prison system in this cost range, let me know & I'll find out at work tomorrow but to give you some idea HMP Frankland's capacity is around the 800 mark, multiply that by 30k & that's somewhere in the ballpark of what EACH prisoner costs us, the honest taxpayer per year.
Rope's cheap & can be used time & time again. 😈

hmmm, mabye a good idea would be allow them to serve a fairly long sentence, tell them their getting released, walk them to the gate open the doors, just as the sunlight hits their face and the sense of freedom fills their body.......double tap to the back of the head

I have to say i'm sick and tired of bleeding heart liberals in this country standing up for the rights of murderers/rapists/peadophiles etc. People make mistakes for sure and spend the rest of their lives regretting it but these scroates don't give a damn, and in the case of that inbred **** half his family were quite happy to try and cover it up.

You can saw what you like about the US but at least they put murderers away for times that fit the crime, such as 75 years or at least have the balls to execute them

Lets all vote for Zulu at the next election...

In your case you'd better hope he has the line "legalise drugs" in his election manifesto.

have to say i'm sick and tired of bleeding heart liberals in this country standing up for the rights of murderers/rapists/peadophiles etc.

I don't think "bleeding heart liberals" do stand up for folks of this Ilk. They stand up for those who are too stupid to realise that stuff like the death penalty may actually involve someone innocent going to the gallows.

I don't believe in the death penalty. It's expensive and it's a waste. Thinking outside the box for a bit, how about a bit of harvesting? Plenty folk deserving of a second chance in life. These guys could help.

Rope's cheap & can be used time & time again

just as the sunlight hits their face and the sense of freedom fills their body.......double tap to the back of the head

I'm a fekkin long way from being a BHL (bleeding heart liberal) but Jeez.

Surely one of the measures of our society's ability to behave in a civilised manner is to recognise the sanctity of life?

egf - I understand that you've got your nose to the rock face (to mix a few metaphors) but if I were in charge I'd sack you first thing.

I heard somewhere in the background noise of radio/telly/papers/internet that over half of the UK population want to bring back the death penalty. I say bring back Christianity, and I'm an agnostic....

for what itsworth, ive never done any drugs, except alchohol, and maybee 2 cigarettes. but they are allready legal. Oh, and i was being sarcastic, i dont agree with the death penalty at all. But i do think we are far too easy on these scumbags.

Sorry - bit lost now.... Where do drugs come into it?

Enlist them is the army and send them over to afganistan!!
Make them do bomb disposal - we've lost too many hard working, family men and women to a pointless corrupt war.

Why lose good people when these scum sit in shelter playing on thier play stations and getting fed by the tax payer.

I've had about enough of the system when they think everyone has rights - those rights are taken away if you take someone elese life - rehabilitation - pah, the jails are too full for that and some people will always be the same.

As I said before send them to fight this pointless war - they would not be missed

Yawn.

i dont really like the idea of people like that running round with guns...

Bit late for that lyons.

You can take the Scouser out of Liverpool...

Bit of a c***k arent you Zulu?

Enlist them is the army and send them over to afganistan!!

I think it's a bit of an insult to the armed forces to think a solution to crime in this country to just enlist scum like this in to army to fight along side professional soldiers. It trivialises the job they do.

IIRC we pardoned ciminals wishing to enlist during WW2 except for those that had committed murder.

I think it's a bit of an insult to the armed forces to think a solution to crime in this country to just enlist scum like this in to army to fight along side professional soldiers. It trivialises the job they do.

Not trying to insult the armed forces - they are highly skilled and do a great job.

My view is why risk the life of a trained solder disposing of IRD's when you could get criminals to do it while the solders stands at a safe distance radioing instuctions "Yeah cut the red wire - or was it green?"

Bit of a sad indictment of our prisions really. These thugs are supposed to be in a very controlled environement so they are no longer a risk to others and possibly for their own rehabilitation. They've already proved they can't be trusted. The prison system needs reform (and probably actually needs resources unlike most other public sector organisations) so that these scrotes can be supervised 24 / 7 until they prove they can be a trusted member of society again. If in the meantime we can get them to do something useful that will help off set the costs of their re-education all the better.

[i]egf - I understand that you've got your nose to the rock face (to mix a few metaphors) but if I were in charge I'd sack you first thing.[/i]

& about 95% of the rest of the uniformed staff then. If you were in charge of what exactly? If you were 'in charge' of a wing then you'd be a governor, & you'd be also dealing with prisoners & would know just what I'm talking about. I've worked in 3 different prisons & have had a fair number of people 'in charge' of me, never been sacked up to now. I don't think you'd be suited to my line of work, in fact I can see you tucking them up in bed every night, pandering to their every whim. Then as you go off duty & you think 'another good days work done' but unknown to you, half of them are thinking 'MUG'
A lot of people don't realise that the 1st & foremost duty of the prison service is to PROTECT THE PUBLIC, the rehab bit comes second. I could go on but I'm getting fed up of people wittering on about prisoners & what should & shouldn't be done with them when they've never set foot past a prison gatehouse never mind worked in a jail.
[i]Enlist them is the army and send them over to afganistan!![/i]
I agree with you to a certain extent Tom but to be honest most of these guys can't even get themselves out of bed on a morning never mind do bomb disposal!

Surfer - agreed.

I've just read this thread and what they both have done is deplorable and utterly wicked. But to take a human life? even theirs? I'm sorry people but i'm not with that. Life is sacred. What has happened to these kids? Something has let them down badly.

Sure, lock them up, they may even repent one day for their actions. But lets not take their lives or allow them to take their own. Its just not humane.

rumbledethumps - Member
I've just read this thread and what they both have done is deplorable and utterly wicked. But to take a human life? even theirs? I'm sorry people but i'm not with that. Life is sacred. What has happened to these kids? Something has let them down badly.

Sure, lock them up, they may even repent one day for their actions. But lets not take their lives or allow them to take their own. Its just not humane.

Totally agree. It's not our call to take life away.

Why is society in Britain so broken?

Why is society in Britain so broken?

happens all over the world julian, just we at least from the outside seem to value life more than say those from northern ****stan.

egf - I'm sure you do a grand job, and do understand that you're not there to be, "tucking them up in bed every night, pandering to their every whim". In fact, as far as I'm concerned, you and the rest of the prison staff are there to make life as unpleasant as possible for the scrotes who end up in prison, and to stop them getting out and coming round and robbing me.

It's just that in your position (as an ossifer), I'm not sure that shouting about bringing back hanging is appropriate. If you really feel that bitter about it, perhaps you should look for another job?