[Closed] Should Theresa May resign?

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There should be more means tested grants

How [b]old[/b] are you !?! 🙂

Rudd has hired Linton Crosby too help her become leader and presumably improve her majority of 3 people and a duck?

Seems bonkers, who's gonna back a leader with a tiny majority?

Or does she just think there's a GE coming very soon and wants to be prepared and ready for leadership of the opposition.

Either way it's not a vote in Mays ability!

University of California at Los Angeles and where ... University of Central Lancashire, hardly comparable.

as zokes and jonv note - woosh!
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Surprised to hear on R4 this morning The Maybot, being interviewed by Nick Robinson, sound energetic, engaged and spontaneous. Confident, even. Something has happened, I think, in the original "House Of Cards" sense.

If I were her, I would have my consiglieri call Bojo this morning with "We thank you for your service, but...". Then watch him have to go to the conference podium this afternoon and make his, by then irrelevant, little speech.

Just listened to the Maybot interviewed on radio 4

It must have been a different interview to the one you heard Wopster

Dear God! She's awful!

She's just doing exactly what she did during the election campaign. Just endlessly repeating the same pre-prepared soundbites. She seems pathologically incapable of doing anything else. She has all the warmth, humour and empathy of a fridge-freezer.

And trying to put a positive spin on Boris's clear challenge to her leadership as "not surrounding herself with yes-men"?

Please? You daren't sack him. He'd love her too so that he can become some kind of Brexit Martyr and Figurehead. Everyone knows this.

She seems to be in denial about pretty much everything going on around her

Well she's promised graduates an extra 30 quid a month, so that's the next election sorted.

I too heard the interview. She sounded like someone had told her to be less robotic, more passionate and energetic, and was trying to live up to that with predictable consequences of just sounding false. (I did actually laugh at one point where she stuttered over a comment (I'd never laugh at a stutter, by the way) but it had the effect of sounding like Max Headroom glitching, and given past allegations made me even consider for a moment if she was some sort of artificial terminator-like being)

As for the 'I don't want to be surrounded by Yes men' bit. Absolutely Mrs May, i applaud you for that. Surround yourself by the best and brightest and behind the closed doors of No 10 and the cabinet rooms, thrash it out including with those that tell you what you don't want to hear. And then when you decide on the direction, once outside that room then expect everyone to align behind what was agreed.

If they can't do that, then they have no place in your cabinet - they should either be honorable and admit that differences can't be bridged and hence they can't work with you and resign, or if they then come out and immediately contradict what was agreed, you should fire them immediately and publicly. What's it to be? Or are you scared it'll be the end of you and as a result are quite rightly seen as someone who can't run a cabinet of your own selection of people from within your own party, let alone a country.

I did actually laugh at one point where she stuttered over a comment

You could tell she just has an automated bank of pre-chosen soundbites that she'd memorised, and she was temporarily hunting for which button she had to press for the one that was to be repeated

I half expected her to say "unexpected item in the bagging area". That's how 'spontaneous' she sounded

I half expected her to say "unexpected item in the bagging area".

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She's just doing exactly what she did during the election campaign. Just endlessly repeating the same pre-prepared soundbites.

The main thing for me is we have a lame duck PM and still no Tory wants to take the kill shot....that is how bad things are going to get/what the tories think Brexit will be like and yet still they sail onward to whatever it is they will deliver.

31 pages? the answer is yes.

anyway dont blame the puppet

its the puppet master that pulls the strings, the puppets just dance. 😉

Just been listening to 5live. There's a group of young conservatives on there talking about how they find it difficult to 'come out' on social media 🙂

Interestingly they too are parroting the same tired soundbites of their pathetically useless boss. New generation? It's illustrative that the only person in the tory party with anything different to say is Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Also very interesting on the Today interview when Nick Robinson said the tories are new looking like 'Labour Lite'. That's quite a turnaround, and the final confirmation to me that they are f*****. Thinking back to the run-up to '97, the main thing that changed was that Labour drove the agenda. Back then all debate and discussion was predicated on what labour were doing/saying and the the same is happening now.

I heard the interview binners heard. Business as usual, vacous statments delivered with the same air of nervousness I imagine was displayed when she was making excuses for why she was running through a field of wheat.

and still no Tory wants to take the kill shot.

That's because Tory MP's now fall into two distinct categories

1) The ones who know full well that Brexit is going to be an absolute ****ing car crash, and are keeping their heads down, letting the lunatics run amock, and seeing what remains of the smoking wreckage afterwards. Even Mogg is one of these. He doesn't want anything to do with a hands-on roll in this shambles. He's not stupid!

2) The totally unhinged, delusional Brexiteer lunatics who see themselves in some type of Churchillian roll (fuelled by their own gargantuan ego's) leading a grateful nation into the sunny independent uplands and a buccaneering Empire 2.0. So basically Boris and David Davis then?

If politics ever gets back to something approaching [i]normal[/i] in this country, we won’t recognise it.

Agreed Binners

anything different to say is Jacob Rees-Mogg.

and are keeping their heads down, letting the lunatics run amock, and seeing what remains of the smoking wreckage afterwards.

It's the financial crash all over again. Back in 2010 I never really thought that labour wanted to be in power as they knew what a cluster**** it was. Same thing now but with brexit. If labour are clever, on the day they enter govt they'll start the 'cleaning up the tories brexit mess' mantra and it'll keep them in power for at least 2 terms.

By different you mean messages from the 30's and possibly the 1830's.

That's my point. The main voice (if you ignore Boris) who is willing to speak against the party line, instead of coming up with anything new, like what to do about automation etc, can only hark back to victorian times.

So basically Boris and David Davis then?

I actually think Boris started off just wanting to be PM, and being a shameless opportunist just seeing Brexit as his opportunity. But his limitless narcissism, fuelled by the [s]bitter old backwards-gazing racists[/s] Tory party faithful's adulation has led to him now believing his own hype

Just been listening to 5live. There's a group of young conservatives on there talking about how they find it difficult to 'come out' on social media

How old are you !?!

[s]Kim jung un[/s] Ruth Davidson doesn't want the job, no siree.... 8)

In other news, party membership has reportedly slumped to 100,000 (compared to membership of the opposition party, which stands at 570,000 and climbing), there's a dearth of younger members joining and an endless parade of tired ideologies while the party awaits the reincarnation of a divisive reformer from the 1980s.

Anyone else think that a schism may be on the horizon?

[quote=theotherjonv ]Or are you scared it'll be the end of you and as a result are quite rightly seen as someone who can't run a cabinet of your own selection of people from within your own party, let alone a country.

I don't think I'd trust her to run a bath.

The strange thing looking back is that she did seem like the obvious choice for the job, and a safe pair of hands - admittedly that was in comparison to the other candidates, does anybody think any of the other options in the leadership election would have done a better job (I'm still feeling kind of glad it's just her brand of incompetence rather than an ideologue who'd **** things up)? I suppose apart from her failure to achieve things she did seem vaguely competent in her previous roles - promoted a couple of levels above where she is competent?

[quote=Nobeerinthefridge ]Ruth Davidson doesn't want the job, no siree....

she's clever enough to look like the only grown up in the room (admittedly that's not terribly hard), whilst having the perfect excuse for having no interest in the job (not now...)

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In other news, party membership has reportedly slumped to 100,000 (compared to membership of the opposition party, which stands at 570,000 and climbing), there's a dearth of younger members joining and an endless parade of tired ideologies while the party awaits the reincarnation of a divisive reformer from the 1980s.

Anyone else think that a schism may be on the horizon?

average age of party member is now 67!?

3 things youth dislike - housing crisis, tuition fees, Brexit

all of those 'owned' by Tories, all their wounds are self-inflicted

In other news, party membership has reportedly slumped to 100,000

They won't actually publish any figures and haven't done so since 2013, but some estimates are now as low as 60,000, as they are literally dying off, and the average age is around 70

And these people will be (exclusively) selecting the next PM. No wonder Boris is in full on 'Rule Brittania' mode.
It's no bloody wonder the youth vote is lined up behind Jeremy Corbyn. The young Tories on five live earlier just sounded like a bunch of freaks

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average age of party member is now 67!?

3 things youth dislike - housing crisis, tuition fees, Brexit

all of those 'owned' by Tories, all their wounds are self-inflicted

Abso-bloody-lutely.

Yet again, a Tory in-fight between [s]130,000[/s], [s]110,000[/s], 100,000 members has grave constitutional and economic repercussions for the country.

In less enlightened times, there would be senior party members answering to some serious charges in court.

she did seem vaguely competent in her previous roles

are you sure....... 😯

By that I mean not completely incompetent.

So are we putting bets on what our very own low-rent Trump will have to say this afternoon?

Would you bet against him wandering up to the podium literally wrapped in a Union Jack, accompanied by Land of Hope and Glory?

While the Maybot looks on with that Gordon Brown-esque rictus grin she's presently being forced to wear by her media trainers?

Red lines, stick it up them, strong, new opportunities (for Borris)

does anybody think any of the other options in the leadership election would have done a better job

Granted there is dearth of choice in her party - is it just me or is there a general dearth of talent in politics at this minute? there used to be people of principle from your ken clarkes to your Tam Dalyell- where are they now.
I think only the M for anachronisms merits a mention for actually having policies [ whether popular or not] so at least you know what you are voting for they seem to be so bland and careerist these days - all sides.

she did seem vaguely competent in her previous roles

I disagree stringly, the warning signs were there

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/what-does-theresa-mays-record-as-home-secretary-tell-us
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/theresa-mays-record-home-secretary-isnt-reassuring/
https://reaction.life/theresa-may-failed-home-secretary-bad-choice-pm/
http://commentcentral.co.uk/theresa-may-a-failed-pm-and-a-failed-home-secretary/

Everythings relative, innit?

Not difficult to look like the least-worst-option at the moment, given the competition.

I agree with JY 😯 that politics has never looked so threadbare. Right now I can't see a single person from either party who looks up to the job.

But I firmly believe that Boris Johnson is presently the most dangerous man in the UK. And if he's elected leader (and if there's a leadership election tomorrow, those senile xenophobic headcases would more than likely do it) then his idea of Brexit could usher in a full-scale economic catastrophe from which this country might never recover

His theme for this afternoons speech is 'Let The Lion Roar'

FFS!!! I'm sure the Daily Mail will love it! While the rest of us watch through our fingers, cringing in national embaressment

Edit: Apparently Theresa won't be in the hall to witness it. I can't say I blame her. Rather than sack him - which he clearly wants - I'm sure she's looking at ways she can have him killed

[quote=binners ]Right now I can't see a single person from either party who looks up to the job.

Ruth?

Ruth?

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I disagree stringly, the warning signs were there

An email I received last week from the lib Dems.

When I became your leader just over 90 days ago, one of the goals I set was for us to overtake the Conservatives in membership.

Todaywe may have just done exactly that.

The Conservatives are notoriously secretive about their membership, but it's been reported that it's dropped to "around 100,000".

That means we have either already surpassed the Conservatives' membership, or we are about to. The enormity of this cannot be underestimated. I don't know about you, but I'd like to make sure there is no doubt.

Theresa May’s Tories are in turmoil. And their former members many of whom are pro Europeans like us need a new home.

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Thank you David, let's make sure there's absolutely no doubt that we've overtaken the Conservatives in membership.

Vince

Vince Cable

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I suppose apart from her failure to achieve things she did seem vaguely competent in her previous roles

I think, basically, anyone that had first hand experience of the home office during her tenure disagreed. But she was very good at dodging blame. There was a bizarre recurring theme- she'd tell a department to do something, they'd do it, it'd go incredibly badly, and then she'd "step in" and "take it under her personal control". When it came to her mistakes, she was invisible- her nickname was the Submarine. So she did manage to give a veneer of competence I suppose but you wouldn't ask her to water your plants.

She's the Fox suspension of politics- every time she failed she made it a selling point. Tough on immigration! Immigration goes up. Look everyone, immigration went up, I need to be tougher!

And she's still trying to do it, it's just that it stopped working. That's why they had literally the same promise on immigration in the last 2 manifestos, and kept insisting they were the party to deliver it despite having not done it the last time they promised. I mean, we were glad she'd totally failed to deliver that promise, it'd have been a disaster but that's by the by.

Johnson just said 'think what we can achieve in your lifetime' to a room full of OAPs 😆

I don't really disagree with anybody else's assessment of May's performance at the Home Office - the key word there is "seem".

Boris has raised the dead with his speech (well, the nearly dead, judging from the pictures)

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He might be a charlatan and a **** but he does do a good line in oration, even if the message is lacking.

Follow that Mrs May.

What are these conferences all about?

Is it just an adult version of the house public speaking competition my school used to have for people who were shit at games?

That is a truly awesome pic! If only the Brexit referendum had been a couple of years later...

Looks like there's been a lot of coach trips heading from Eastbourne care homes to Manchester for the week. The place must be deserted. I wonder if their east European care workers came up with them?

[quote=thegreatape ]What are these conferences all about?Overtime for your lot 😉

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Poor Johnson

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/03/sirte-can-become-a-holiday-destination-if-it-clears-the-dead-bodies-says-johnson ]He's trying soo hard to get sacked [/url] so he can snipe from the backbenches (like cowardly Mogg- still able to claim brexishambles not his fault)

But May just to weak to sack him !! 😆 😆

He's gonna have to step it up, motorboating Merkel at his next trip to Germany

Just a couple of days ago TM was talking about the delights of the free market. Today she announces that the market has failed to provide housing.

#smellofburningrubber

Free markets???

She’s a politician and an instinctive meddler

The market makes more from limited housing stocks...
The bigger problem she has is building too much crashes her voters portfolios

In any other world, Johnson saying that we need to "clear away the dead bodies first" would be the fastest suicide note in political history. That the media are asking "Can May sack him?" demonstrates where the centre of power of our govt isn't.

Disgraceful weasling out of the question from Damian Green* on Today this am.

Backbenchers are starting to call for action / resignation on the comment above. What does Damian Green think? 'That we should all reflect on how our words can get taken out of context and be sensitive'

These weren't 'out of context' - they were calculated to provide a laugh and a laugh they got. Now, I too occasionally make an improper comment to get a laugh but I'm not the Foreign Secretary and I have no desire to be, and even I'd baulk at doing it on TV. We expect, nay demand, better from the people that allegedly represent us on the world stage. And if the response to YET ANOTHER BoJo gaffe is to 'reflect on sensitivity' - WTF would it take for people to act?

For a supposedly very clever man he behaves like a ****ing idiot. And anyone that defends him is too.

* also a Reading fan, which would normally bring forgiveness for most things in my eyes, there's only so much torment a soul can bear. But I wish Mr Green a lifetime of playoff defeats, that's how much I think of him.

[i]Ha, ha haaaaaaaa..... it'd be a great place to go on holiday if it wasn't for all the dead brown people[/i]

Take away the bumbling Eton phraseology, and the accent and he's basically Bernard Manning

WTF is anyone still excusing this with "oh its just Boris being Boris" as Damien Green effectively did this morning. How are people falling still for this ludicrous routine?

The problem is that while he's clearly just provoking her into being sacked, so he can become a martyr to 'his' Brexit cause, it not only illustrates her weakness but also calls out her judgement, as anyone with anything between their ears was incredulous that she'd appointed him as foreign secretary in the first place.

It was an act of short-term, panicked expediency, and a single shred of political nouse would have told her that it/he would rapidly bite her on the arse

So in the meantime, we can all look forward to this obnoxious, racist buffoon being the voice of Britain abroad, and look forward to more of the same

Didn't Damien Green make millions of water privatisation, that's led to 1/3rd of everyones bills paying off hedge fund debt?

https://www.ft.com/content/2beee56a-9616-11e7-b83c-9588e51488a0

Another great argument for Corbyns agenda!

May's speech today again totally overshadowed by Johnson's yesterday (he even threw in a wannabe Frankie Boyle joke last night for extra attention)

Excerpt from May's speech lifted from West wing

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you've got to get this stuff from somewhere, and at least that was written by professionals.

It's great fun watching Boris' increasingly desperate attempts to get himself sacked. Anyone know what trips he's got lined up and who he'll have the best opportunity to offend next? Davis has pre-announced his own resignation too, though it seems optimistic to assume he's going to last that long. Or indeed any of them.

Amber Rudd is presently being interviewed on Five Live. It's an absolute masterclass in non-committal flannel. She's been talking for ten minutes solid now and hasn't said a single thing

Just a couple of days ago TM was talking about the delights of the free market. Today she announces that the market has failed to provide housing.

Wonder who will build those houses?

Given her track record about spouting platitudes, then subsequently actually delivering on them, I wouldn't concern yourself unduly with who's going to build the houses.

There aren't going to be any

I watched Priti Patel's speech yesterday open-mouthed. She's calling for deregulation post Brexit and slashing of public spending.

That's the Tory Brexit we saw coming back in 2016...

Does she honestly think that deregulation and slashing of "red tape" (which none of them can provide an example of) can really reset the growing divide in wealth and opportunity?

thecaptain - Member

It's great fun watching Boris' increasingly desperate attempts to get himself sacked. Anyone know what trips he's got lined up and who he'll have the best opportunity to offend next?

I'd love to know what his actual game is: is he trying to get sacked? is he assuming he wont get sacked so being more and more outrageous just to demonstrate how weak TM is by not sacking him so she falls quicker? or, as I suspect, is this all just a playgorund game for him and he doesn't really give a fiddle.

Does she honestly think that deregulation and slashing of "red tape" (which none of them can provide an example of) can really reset the growing divide in wealth and opportunity?

You think Priti Patel gives a shit about the growing divide in wealth and opportunity?

Actually, she does. She wants to see it increased massively, at a much-accelerated pace. Brexit is all her birthdays and Christmases rolled into one. She's just echoing what Liam Fox has gone on about at great length for years.

Environmental controls? Regulation or the tax 'burden' on business? Workers rights?

All come under their definition of 'red tape' that needs to be done away with

Welcome to post-Brexit Britain. A neo-liberal corporatist playground

You think Priti Patel gives a shit about the growing divide in wealth and opportunity?

Ah, you've got me bang to rights there binners.

[quote=ferrals ]I'd love to know what his actual game is: is he trying to get sacked? is he assuming he wont get sacked so being more and more outrageous just to demonstrate how weak TM is by not sacking him so she falls quicker? or, as I suspect, is this all just a playgorund game for him and he doesn't really give a fiddle.

I refer you back to Ian Hislop's stock reply when asked about Boris - you lot are making the mistake of assuming it's deliberate and that there's some plan behind it.

Meanwhile clearly Damian Green hasn't gone far enough in his call for action - #prayforBoris

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yes, IH is probably right! someone needs to tell Boris he's over-tired, showing off and it's time for bed 😆

SSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH.... she's on!

I'm thinking we're probably taken [url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/please-stay-while-we-savour-your-humiliation-britain-tells-may-20170609129137 ]this[/url] to its logical conclusion now

Anyone else counting the lies shes telling?

She's on about her burning passion for social Justice.

I think someone probably needs to have a word....

Looks like she has a new catchphrase too, "that's what i'm in this for", will she ever change the record...

There is a certain amount of schadenfreude to be gained from knowing that the worst Prime Minister in living memory will be forced to remain in place because there's no credible successor. Trust and respect between May and the party rank and file has clearly broken down, Tory remainers have left the party in their droves and there's complete ideological bankruptcy at all levels.

I would be willing to bet a small sum of money that not one single council or affordable home is built on May's watch, as this policy is quietly binned like so many others over the last few months as the Brexit shitstorm remains the only political game in town.

The abject desperation of many at the conference (who've stumped £500 to be there) is a sight to behold, the only promise the Conservatives failed to make thus far has been to reduce the price of Freddo's.

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another Labour policy nicked.... Opt out system for organ donation, about time!

Wow the lies! Shameless

P45 for Mrs May! P45 for Mrs May!

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Love the fact that every conservatives argument looks at socialist countries like Venezuela but doesn't look at the success stories of the Scandinavian countries or Canada (sorry eh), some of the happiest places around.

Shit she's dying!

A protestor just got on stage and handed her a P45

wonder who let them past security?
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