[Closed] Should Theresa May resign?

Because you don't like foreigners?

I dont dislike foreigners but i thought Guy Verhofstadt should STFU

As they are two completely stupid questions, Q2.

Fairly sure successive UK Governments had/have the ability to control non-EU immigration, anyway.

And as for Q1, is that the EU system you have researched and studied to form a cohesive, valid opinion, or what you read that was written in the right wing press by 'journalists' such as Boris Johnson?

jambalaya - Member

TJ total govt spending is about £750 billion per anum. Thats a lot of money in anyone's book

Yes - and that includes healthcare spending unlike Germany or France - and they raise and spend more tax as a % of gdp than we do - then you pay healthcare on top

~We are a low tax, small state, low wage economy with huge inequality and much dissatisfaction

You do know more equal countries are happier all round? Even the highly taxed rich are happier

We raise almost as little tax once you take healthcare out of the equation as the US. Now thats a happy society

I am confused TJ

correct - you are. 😉

teethgrinder - Member
As they are two completely stupid questions, Q2.

Fairly sure successive UK Governments had/have the ability to control non-EU immigration, anyway.

Which means dismantling the EU bureaucratic system. Good call. Yes, kick that basket case EU bureaucratic system into oblivion. 😆

Finally, someone with common sense.

The rest of you should fall in line and agree to dismantle the EU bureaucratic system.

And as for Q1, is that the EU system you have researched and studied to form a cohesive, valid opinion, or what you read that was written in the right wing press by 'journalists' such as Boris Johnson?

You are on the roll ... don't spoil it. 😈

Are you ****ing high?

teethgrinder - Member
Are you **** high?

No. They are not.

I said that the UK government had the ability to restrict non-EU immigration. For whatever reasons, they didn't. Nothing (like, really - NOTHING) to do with the EU.

And you do realise, UK outside of the EU will be 10x worse for bureaucracy? We (the UK) will still have to meet EU regs if we want to sell to the EU.

If TM goes we'll have either David Davies or Boris Johnson leading the Conservatives and being Prime Minister. A speculative peice in the Telegragph suggests just that.

Speculative in the extreme, since whichever tory suggested it haven't read their owns party's rules.

non eu immigtration is very tightly controlled indeed and getting residence permits is very difficult

teethgrinder - Member
No. They are not.

I said that the UK government had the ability to restrict non-EU immigration. For whatever reasons, they didn't. Nothing (like, really - NOTHING) to do with the EU.

I was referring to EU migrants.

Non-EU migrants have always faced restriction in this world regardless where they go, which is not an issue at all.

And you do realise, UK outside of the EU will be 10x worse for bureaucracy?

We (the UK) will still have to meet EU regs if we want to sell to the EU.

It works both ways (they comply with UK's we comply with theirs whatever

Ours will be the same as theirs, as we are just copying there's, of course we will need extra bureaucracy to manage all that.

Because as you fail to understand bureaucracy is good for a country, it ensures things like taxes are collected, schools and hospitals run well, laws are updated, food is safe, fire safety rules are in place etc etc etc....

bureaucracy is good for a country

There are degrees / levels for everything. Have you tired to do business in France, or worse still set one up ? The EU is full of ego-tists wanting to be "in charge" of stuff, tye amount of unessesary rules and regulations are staggering and they don't even properly enforce the ones they have !

The EU is full of ego-tists wanting to be "in charge" of stuff

#jambafact....

& the UK isn't???

Get out of your little sphere Jambas & smell the coffee, the EU isn't to blame for all & any evils you can possibly dream up to spin as a lie against the EVIL EU!

Ours will be the same as theirs, as we are just copying there's

Strange, wasn't it in fact them copying us 😉

Have you tired to do business in France, or worse still set one up ?

there is no subject he cannot do a non sequitur on?

The EU is full of ego-tists wanting to be "in charge" of stuff,

what govt does not want to be in charge of stuff...is it this one 😉

Strange, wasn't it in fact them copying u

Then why the F are we leaving???

😆

Tory Boi....the gift that keeps on giving..

the amount of unnecessary rules and regulations are staggering

Not allowing the cladding of buildings with flammable materials? [url= http://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/06/18/tower-block-residents-look-forward-less-health-safety-legislation-post-brexit/ ]That type of thing?[/url]

Have you tired to do business in France, or worse still set one up ?

Yup, an SARL with up to 9 employees. Compared with friends with businesses in the UK we suffered a lot less with duff cheques (because writing them is illegal), and a lot less with people setting up a business, raking in money and then beankrupting it leaving lots of suffering creditors then repeat.

Some bureaucracy is there to protect honest business people and stop the rogues. Britain could learn something.

Junior set himself up in business recently, it's a lot easier than it was. Minimal paperwork unless he earns more than he's likely to earn for the foreseeable future.

Philip Hammond's leadership campaign seems to be going pretty well

Campaign slogan....Vote for me! Have you seen the rest of them?

~We are a low tax, small state, low wage economy with huge inequality and much dissatisfaction

you forgot low-productivity...

binners - Member
Campaign slogan....Vote for me! Have you seen the rest of them?

Worked for May in her leadership contest

as for whos next, Hammond makes the most sensible noises

Johnson knows that hes marmite

Davis, well after his clueless repetition of empty soundbite before the brexit select comittee and his inspired encouraging of May to push for an early GE, hes hardly the sensible choice (to illustrate my point Farage backs him)
If the negotiations are seen to go well hes in with a shout, thats a big if, i suppose the divorce bill will be the first indication, but that wont be for another couple of months Id have thought

would 50-60bn be too much for our lovely press and the backbenchers polishing Mays guillotine?

I'd expect the next few months to be a lot of distancing from anything bad, shitty or unpopular aiming to swoop in for the great save

TurnerGuy - Member

you forgot low-productivity...

Yes, but that's actually true, so why add it to the list?

(ok some folk are dissatisfied, granted. Btw, only testing to see if a little marker has appeared after a surprise pressie - gosh it has, how kind)

I see the STW Tory supporters tag-team has just quadrupled. 😀

I see the STW Tory supporters tag-team has just quadrupled.

At least the Conservative party can take heart that their support base is increasing somewhere 😀

oldracwr I want to get out of [b]their[/b] little sphere. I have always worked in globally facing business and soent 11 years at what is probably the worlds most diverse financial institution. The EU has become a superstate project obsessed with "size" and it has got almost everything from money to security completely wrong - no thanks.

I see the STW Tory supporters tag-team has just quadrupled.

What was it 90% of the respondents on whonare you voting thread said Labour. Clearly not representative of the membership just indicative of the culture here. Most of a different view choose not to contribute

feel free to follow their lead 😉

I still work for a world leading manufacturing company based in the UK so I have a quite different perspective to Jamba funnily enough.
My colleagues worldwide think (and I agree) that the country I was so proud of has become a laughing stock. But what do we know. We only make stuff (and sell it very successfully worldwide - not just into Europe).
Buggering up trading relations with one of your biggest partners doesn't seem clever to me. But not being a global financier, I clearly don't understand.

So Jamba, tell us how we will be better off without any EU red tape & pesky bosses telling us what to do when we are going to have to replace said tape & bosses with tape & bosses of our own so we can sell stuff to someone we already sell to??

I am not in high finance like you city slickers but I do know that some of my customers are foreign.
If they are not here they are not spending money in my shop.
My takings go down and so does the tax the government takes from me.

When we moved back to France à few weeks ago, I was expecting à world of pain for admin stuff but if you follow the instructions and take your time it is fine.

I have always worked in globally facing business and soent 11 years at what is probably the worlds most diverse financial institution

Yet none of this diversity rubbed off on you. That's a bit sad really. Can't understand someone who boasts of experiencing such diversity could end up so bigoted.

Jamba gives the impression that he knows a thing or two up there in whatever financial institution he works in.

Jamba at work....

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You sure? Isn't that David Davis and Liam Fox?

Where's Wewwity?

Boris in candid "no-wig" moment shocker...

What was it 90% of the respondents on whonare you voting thread said Labour. Clearly not representative of the membership just indicative of the culture here. Most of a different view choose not to contribute

speculation.

Still no agreement with the DUP, just seen a news account who think they are arguing about when they can fly flags. FFS flags

We really are plumbing new depths when the marching season is what is keeping the government in power.

Scottish gov just released Arlene Foster's letter (that she claims didnt exist) asking Scotland not to let gay NI couples marry in Scotland

the tories want to empower these bigots when theyve just taken a hammering from the youth vote- it is beyond stupid

especially when Davidson has so much power in the Tory party

The present Tory leadership are the most clueless in decades

what are the odds on the queens speech not getting passed

Haven't been following the Orange surge. They're not [i]really[/i] doing [i]flags[/i] are they? 😀