Oh the EU are going to **** us over big time. They are not want to going to set a precedent of easy exit.
Also what hasn't been made clear is that the 2 yr window is only to negotiate how we leave and the very basic framework for how future trade agreements will be negotiated.
The actual trade agreements will take many years to conclude and what happens between the conclusion of article 50 negotiations and having trade agreements in place is unknown.
Probably WTO basic rules with all the tariffs etc they entail. Of course to Leave we'll have better trade deals ultimately. I think this is unlikely...
dannybgoode - Member
Oh the EU are going to **** us over big time. They are not want to going to set a precedent of easy exit.
you see nothing short of free trade, not movement of people and possibly the EU paying us for the privilege will be portrayed as OK by the UK side. It's not being ****ed over if the other side does what is best for the majority.
Reminds me of a scene from last weeks game of thrones where the guys turn up to demand surrender but end up dead. It's always important to know the strength of your hand
Then the EU has a short memory, it's when someone is trying to bend the UK over and screw us that 'we' tend to be at our most antagonistic best, they'd do well to show some grace and shake our hand for 40+yrs of good membership....but no, as someone else said they'll want to punish the UK for leaving their expensive little club.
I'm more than happy with a few years of pain if it means I can stick two fingers up to Brussels in a couple years time and say "we did it, and without you"....
Edit: the EU are pissy because they've lost a net contributor, who's going to fund the new roads and infrastructure in the poorer countries lining up to join now?....oh dear France and Germany, looks like it's on you again!
Greece to go next?
You do realize you in for a whole word of pain posting comments like that. Brace yourself for the onslaught of comments. Chuckle, chuckle.I'm more than happy with a few years of pain if it means I can stick two fingers up to Brussels in a couple years time and say "we did it, and without you"....
I'm still in angry mode.
Today I have heard people laughing about the referendum result as if it was taking a 50p flutter on the Grand National and then giving the most vacuous and stupid reasons for voting out.
Then the EU has a short memory, it's when someone is trying to bend the UK over and screw us that 'we' tend to be at our most antagonistic best, they'd do well to show some grace and shake our hand for 40+yrs of good membership....but no, as someone else said they'll want to punish the UK for leaving their expensive little club.I'm more than happy with a few years of pain if it means I can stick two fingers up to Brussels in a couple years time and say "we did it, and without you"....
Edit: the EU are pissy because they've lost a net contributor, who's going to fund the new roads and infrastructure in the poorer countries lining up to join now?....oh dear France and Germany, looks like it's on you again!
Greece to go next?
Jingoistic bollocks, if the leavers don't want to be called idiots they need to stop behaving like idiots,
Kennyp - so you don't even want to live in a democracy then...you'd take the vote from those that disagree with you!?
Not at all. I'd make voters sit an intelligence test and only folk scoring about a certain level would get the franchise. Would probably meaning never being able to vote again myself but worth it.
should the referendum have even been held...?
for what purpose?
for an uneducated and uninformed electorate of parochial halfwits and misanthropic pseudo-intellectuals to decide the economic future of our country with info they've gleaned from facebook and newspapers and their deaf grandad
it's a total ****ing sham
there has to be more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye or else I think we'll have to admit that we are governed by a group of mad fools
I agree wholeheartedly with yunki. It was ludicrous put put forward a referendum on whether to leave the EU when it's one or two particular issues which cause concern to the general public. Throwing baby out with the bathwater.
No, of course it shouldn't have been held. Once it was, and it became obvious that the Leave campaign were just lying, and being allowed to get away with it by the media, Remain should just have told better lies. If they'd said that if you vote remain we'll give you a kitten and free beer for life the result would have been different. But instead they stuck to facts, which the Leavers has already declared couldn't be true because they came from an expert.
Reminds me of a Stewart Lee sketch.
'Facts-pah. You can prove anything with facts...'
Good article from WP:
It shouldn't have happened during the Euros anyhow, while England and Wales are in grip of a nationalist fever..
There must be grounds for a revote on that basis alone, surely? 😆
Should the referendum have been held?
It was in the Tory manifesto at the last election, so yes.
So you can thank our FPTP system, and everyone who voted Tory for this........
I suspect that there are a few complaining in some of the threads on here who fall into that category 🙂
seosamh77 - Member
It shouldn't have happened during the Euros anyhow, while England and Wales are in grip of a nationalist fever..
Says a Scot 😉
..... and also in the Tory 2015 manifesto was a commitment to the 'ambition' to reduce net migration to the 10's of thousands.
So once again, any Tory voters shouldn't be wringing their hands now. 🙂
Theres probably less than 100 people in the UK with the access to all the raw data, and the knowledge to properly interpret it.
Its overly harsh to brand the 17 million leavers as idiots, when in fact roughly 32 million ill informed voters (me included) all took part in the idiocy.
[quote=whimbrel ]It was in the Tory manifesto at the last election, so yes.
So you can thank our FPTP system, and everyone who voted Tory for this........
It's awfully tricky to find a manifesto all of which you agree with (I suspect even CMD has that trouble).
[quote=fifeandy ]Theres probably less than 100 people in the UK with the access to all the raw data, and the knowledge to properly interpret it.
Its overly harsh to brand the 17 million leavers as idiots, when in fact roughly 32 million ill informed voters (me included) all took part in the idiocy.
Except when you don't have the skills to interpret it all properly you rely on the experts. Unless of course you're Michael Gove. Or unless you trust Michael Gove!
i don't trust Gove he could not even get his Einstein vs 100 experts analogy right.
He just basically Godwinned though didn't he?
It shouldn't have happened during the Euros anyhow, while England and Wales are in grip of a nationalist fever..
Good point. And not during Wimbledon or the TdF or the Olympics, etc....
It's like the song don't cry for me Agentina
Thinks what's needed is a petition as to why we have not started departure and get on with it