After all, surely it's far more dangerous than making a quick phone call........ All that ash and smoke flying about !
Bourbon, Americano, chair... right, I'm sorted!
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It's a stinking habit.
Banning it is against personal choice though.
However, I do feel sorry for small children sitting in cars with smokers puffing away big style.
Its a free country I swear. In a private space the State can keep its nose out.
Yes, if only so it stops people flicking them out of the window.
No. Next.
smoking near kids should carry the death sentence as thats what you're effectively giving the kids you're filling up with second hand cancer.
should just go all the way and ban fags alltogether
thats unlikely to happen, i think it should be banned if there are kids in the car
seeing as the mobile phone ban is a joke i doubt its worth it tbh
Smokers are idiots
Smokers are idiots
Then I haven't been an idiot for two whole weeks. Sweet!
Smokers are idiots
That is as may be but we can't ban idiots now can we?
I'm an idiot! 😀
And so is my wife.
Oh no hang on, I jolly well have not got a wife...
Surely the simplest way is to increase the age at which it is legal to own (not just purchase) tobacco products by 1 year every year from now on.
That way existing smokers won't feel discriminated against as they can legally continue with their habit and youngsters won't be able to buy cigs until they're (possibly) old enough to know the damage it does and then not start.
Why won't this work? Possibly because the Govt gets so much money from the tobacco industry in the form of taxation and sponsorship/donations it can't afford for people to not smoke.
I'm not an idiot aany more either
Though if they ban smoking in cars i may start again on general principle
To summarise, as I could rant for hours on this subject:
If I, or anyone else wants to have a fag within the confines of a vehicle I own then its got the sum total of * all to do with you, you snivelling, whining, holier than thou, sanctimonious little power-crazed *!!
Any more than its my right to come round to your house and tell you what you're having for your ****ing tea!!!
Smokers aren't idiots but virtually all idiots are smokers.......
Yep should be banned whilst driving, no different to mobiles. Have no issues with passengers smoking in a car though, just helps kill them quicker 🙂
Yes. If only becuase it winds up the red faced guy from "Forest"
Heh! Binners is a bit tetchy I see... 😆
binners - Member
I'm not an idiot aany more eitherThough if they ban smoking in cars i may start again on general principle
To summarise, as I could rant for hours on this subject:
If I, or anyone else wants to have a fag within the confines of a vehicle I own then its got the sum total of * all to do with you, you snivelling, whining, holier than thou, sanctimonious little power-crazed *!!
Any more than its my right to come round to your house and tell you what you're having for your ****ing tea!!!
Would you have smoked with your children in the car binners?
If I, or anyone else wants to have a fag within the confines of a vehicle I own then its got the sum total of * all to do with you, you snivelling, whining, holier than thou, sanctimonious little power-crazed *!!Any more than its my right to come round to your house and tell you what you're having for your ****ing tea!!!
^^This^^
*Applauds*
If I, or anyone else wants to have a fag within the confines of a vehicle I own then its got the sum total of * all to do with you, you snivelling, whining, holier than thou, sanctimonious little power-crazed *!!
First they came for the self harmers, then they came for the smokers. Soon they'll come for the mountain bikers 😉
just apply a polluter pays principle: i.e. only emergency medical care for smokers. Chronic care has to be personally funded either from your house or your insurance. If you cant afford it, tough.
If I, or anyone else wants to have a fag within the confines of a vehicle I own then its got the sum total of * all to do with you, you snivelling, whining, holier than thou, sanctimonious little power-crazed *!!Any more than its my right to come round to your house and tell you what you're having for your ****ing tea!!!
^^This^^
*Applauds*
Just so long as the tab ends get retained INSIDE the car for safe disposal at home and aren't thrown out of the window!!!!!
They've banned it in our our company cars...
Mind, I don't smoke anymore, so its no real hardship...
I never actually smoked in the car as its minging. Should I be prevented by law from doing so?
Don't be *ing ridiculous! Some people in this country need to dislodge their *ing heads from up their own *ing arses and realise that:
a) People don't generally want, or need, saving from themselves
b) Nobody made them *ing God!
As kimbers says - We can't enforce the mobile phone ban with any great effect - do we really think that making smoking illegal is going to work?
Edit:
just apply a polluter pays principle
to be fair to the smokers, disgusting habit though it is, I reckon that the argument is quite strong in their favour on that one...
mcboo - Member
Its a free country I swear. In a private space the State can keep its nose out.
The trouble is Mcboo, it is not a free country. Smokers do not have to take the full responsibility for their actions on themselves or on others as the State guarantees that they will be looked after. So doesn't that mean that the state can stick its nose it?
Having said that it would be fairer for people to be totally free to take full responsibility for looking after themselves and to bear the consequences of their actions. But of course that would never happen.
Binners - Satsuma time fella 😉
I've just chain-eaten two 😀
I thought smoking while driving was already illegal? 😕
binners, email me and i'll tell you what you're allowed to eat for dinner xx
It's going too far. In a way I'd happily see smoking go as it's a filthy, pointless habit but, basically, binners is right.
Stoner, that's perilously close to arguing for the destruction of the NHS.....
*Watches above for the arrival of the obivous tag...*
😉
I'm not an idiot aany more eitherThough if they ban smoking in cars i may start again on general principle
To summarise, as I could rant for hours on this subject:
If I, or anyone else wants to have a fag within the confines of a vehicle I own then its got the sum total of * all to do with you, you snivelling, whining, holier than thou, sanctimonious little power-crazed *!!
Any more than its my right to come round to your house and tell you what you're having for your ****ing tea!!!
This in its entirety. Get something better to do
[ philconsequence - Member
binners, email me and i'll tell you what you're allowed to eat for dinner xx ]
Yep piping hot Roast and Veg....... In the fast lane. Delicious !
there were some quite impressive statistics on the news today about the reduction in heart attacks since the smoking ban came into force in pubs
the effect on cancer rates in particular will probably be just as positive allthough that will be a longer term benefit
something the nhs could well do with as cancer drugs are incredibly expensive and a big drain on funds
telling you what you can and cant do in your own home is taboo , but what about when it can save the taxpayer milions
or do you exclude smokers from the nhs, and do you include their children?
Yep should be banned whilst driving
+1 , you're not supposed to eat or drink whilst driving and IMO smoking is the same i.e. one of your hands is taken up to hold your ciggy therefore leaving you less in control.
They've banned it in our our company cars...
that's because it's defined as a workplace and is therefore covered under the 2007 ban
Exclude all smokers from the NHS? Fine. No Problem. I assume you'll then be taking ALL the tax, other than VAT, off fags at the same time
It'll become evident pretty damn quickly who was getting the better deal
Binners is right, BUT only if the freedom to kill yourself created no financial obligation on others or caused others any harm.
smokers are good for the NHS, as the level of tax paid over a smokers life is far more to than they will ever use as most smoking related diseases tend to be fairly short and brutal and no where near as costly as age related dementia etc..
The fact that smokers die younger also means that they consume less in their shorter lifetime and are therefore kinder to the planet than some mung bean eating health freak who insists on living as long as possible whilst wondering why the population is increasing to rapidly as not enough folks are dying..
We actually need smokers otherwise the whole system falls over
so erm..stick that in ya pipe and smoke it
surely that just proves the point that smokers are idiots
(im a sanctimonius ex-smoker- who stopped when i had kids as i couldnt put my kids through what my parents put me through)
Tazzy is bang on. And could I just add that the activities of this forum over the last 2 weeks are going to cost the country a small fortune. Both in lost revenue, and having to watch us lot piss ourselves, while dribbling Werthers Originals, watching Cash in The Attic 😉
I suspect quite a few bike shops might do quite well out of it though
not read all of the above but
"Smoking in Cars" no! (unless kids are in the car)
"Smoking while driving" Yes!
Purely because it's something in your hand and takes focus away from actually driving. It's probably worse when lighting and putting 'em out than when actually smoking (unless you just flick it out the window like most litterers/smokers do). no different from the mobile phone ban IMO.
This is kinda pet hate of mine. BITD my old boy used to chug along in his Renault 12 puffing away on his fags and I ****ing hated it. The fags, I mean, although the Renault was ****ing minging too. Kinda dark metallic nicotine brown.
Plus I've had to share a car where the driver sits mouth split pluffing out the window except that it always goes straight up my nose...
So I say ban it. Ban it NOW! 😀
And don't presume smokers all die youg neither. My grandad smoked from (I think) about 9 until his early 80's before quitting and THEN manifesting lung cancer. He lived on his own (once my gran died) for years until his terminal last hospital visit. I dont hate smokers but I do hate smoking. If I did I'd have to hate my grandad and he was a beautiful person...
If there are way future generations looking back how will they view our processed food, alcohol and drug consumption and smoking? With incredulity I would imagine.
Oh and Binners, what am I having for tea? If you could pop round and put it on I'll be doubly grateful 😆
I'm not against doing anything in cars, assuming that people are careful about how they do it and where/when. Technically there are laws that cover using phones and causing accidents already, the phone one is a bit pointless IMO. Likewise, at risk of being flamed, it's not always nuts to be using a phone when in a car, but it seems people can't identify the sane and less sane times to do it, so a universal law is used against everyone.
tazzymtb - there's a new job out there, just waiting for you!
there's a new job out there, just waiting for you!
oooo really? will it be more fun than packing fudge at a werthers factory?
Yes - but the benefits will be less tasty!
benefits will be less tasty!
I'm not going back to being a taste tester for play doh. It made my poo a funny colour and the little people in the barbers shop set always looked at me funny
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