slowoldgit - MemberSNP lost out to the Tory voters who have been shielded from some of the worst Nasty Party policies by the SNP in Embra: things like the NHS being underfunded. There are more.
I think there's a lot of truth in that. Remember the media frenzy when the ERI "went into meltdown" earlier this year? They never had to fully close but admissions were delayed, and for us that's big news. Black alerts- full closures- are barely even worth mentioning now in England as they're so common but for us getting close to one was front page. Just one example.
And voters like myself, who would have considered the SNP purely on other policies, had no option but to vote to keep them out.
So, rather than voting based on the policies and decisions that will affect your life for the next five years and beyond you voted against something that may or may not happen and anyway if it did would be decided by its own vote in isolation?
Say it again out loud.
So, rather than voting based on the policies and decisions that will affect your life for the next five years and beyond you voted for something that may or may not happen and anyway if it did would be decided by its own vote in isolation?
Not quite true for two reasons.
1. It's unlikely I would have voted for them anyway, Indyref 2 or not. I was saying that I would have considered them, as would many others. That said, there were no doubt loads of people who voted SNP solely because of the independence thing. I personally know several SNP voters who hate (and I do mean to use that word) the UK and would sacrifice the financial well being of their own friends and families just to separate from England. Am not saying all SNP voters are like that, but I do know several.
2. All the parties had policies that I both agreed and disagreed with. Therefore I had to vote the way that I thought would be best for me, my family, my friends, for Scotland and for Britain. Having seen the division and uncertainty caused by the 2014 referendum, I voted for a future for Scotland that will (hopefully) be bright and prosperous and stable, remaining as part of Britain, like we have done for 300 years.
So yes, I had very good reasons for voting as I did. Thanks.
kennyp - MemberI voted for a future for Scotland that will (hopefully) be bright and prosperous and stable,
How's that going so far?
kennyp - Member
...I personally know several SNP voters who hate (and I do mean to use that word) the UK and would sacrifice the financial well being of their own friends and families just to separate from England..
Their friends don't need to worry about that anymore. It's already been sacrificed by the Tories.. đ
kennyp - Member
I voted for a future for Scotland that will (hopefully) be bright and prosperous and stable,How's that going so far?
Well the first 300 years have been brilliant. One of richest countries in the world, great standard of living, amazing mountain biking and deep fried Mars Bars. Okay, rains a bit, but not sure we can really blame the Act of Union for that!
If the snp actually focused on delivering anything other than independence then I might vote for them. As it is they seem to forget they have a nation to run.
They should focus on delivering services and education, the latter is frankly appalling.
Should she go.. No. Should she park independece until such times as she's managed to prove the snp can effectively run our country.. Absolutely.
So, rather than voting based on the policies and decisions that will affect your life for the next five years and beyond you voted against something that may or may not happen and anyway if it did would be decided by its own vote in isolation?Say it again out loud.
OK I've said it out loud several times at various speeds and different pitches, but it still makes sense to me: If you consider the Independence question outweighs other things and that the possibilty of all the disruption and uncertainty follows on from a possible vote.. No brainer to me. You vote against the party that wants to initiate that process whenever they think it might suit them and which would use the GE result as a manadate do that.
So you don't want a referendum. You're entitled to your opinion. To make the point you frame your election strategy purely as a vote against a referendum. Did you get most MPs?
No, you just lost, get over it.
And now sort out the ongoing Brexit nightmare.
If that is directed at me. You may be mistaking me for someone who voted Tory.
Should she park independece until such times as she's managed to prove the snp can effectively run our country.. Absolutely.
You know that the reason the SNP exists is to campaign for independance, and that once that aim is acheived, the party is dissolved and we get to vote for our new government?
You know that the reason the SNP exists is to campaign for independance
So why are they in government at the moment?
There was a referendum. They lost. They are in power.
They need to concentrate on running the country.
That's true one of the ways you convince the doubters that Scotland isn't "too wee, too poor, too stupid" is by being the best you can be while you're welding whatever reins of power you've currently been handed. For instance, one way or another, education has become a bit of a losing cause. Improving that and taking away one of the bats the Yoons hit you with would be a good example of getting on with the day job.
"too wee, too poor, too stupid"
The thing is though, I don't actually think many No voters like myself do think Scotland is [i]"too wee, too poor, too stupid"[/I] to go it alone. An independent Scotland would, I reckon, do fine. It's just that we think we'd do even better as part of the UK. There are quite a few things I like about the SNP, it's just the independence thing I don't. Which, I guess, is very much their raison d'ĂȘtre.
Aye, I guess it's kinda fundamental đ
One could be Pro Choice without being Pro Indy though.
Here is a mischievous thought - only many issues such as the EU and LGBT rights Davidson and Sturgeon have more in common that Davidson does with the rest of the tory party and certainly than with the DUP - what odds on the scottish MPS voting as a bloc on the EU for example?
Zero, happy to help đ
150-1
An awful lot sorter than that depending what the DUP dupes may into doing. there really is a surprising amount of common ground between the two
There is the assumption going around that there is less support for independence now because Labour took some votes from the SNP.
I've talked to 2 mates who voted Labour this time. They voted SNP last time because the Labour Party was so toxic after the IndyRef in Scotland and was seen as Red Tories. They don't have a beef with the SNP but wanted to support Corbyn.
They still support independence though. So it would be interesting if one of the polls was to check the level of support for independence amongst the swinging Labour voters.
Remember the SNP is just part of the independence movement, not THE independence movement. (There's even some Tories support it)
