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[Closed] Shed design - size of rafters

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 Ewan
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Building a shed in the garden, most of the frame is up bar the front wall and roof. Trying to decide what size rafters I want 3x2 or 4x2 - the overall size of the shed is 3m x 3.6m so reasonably big. I'm doing a design with a central ridge beam (6x2) with rafters birds mouthed to the wall plate.

Roof will be 11mm OSB3 with probably EPDM (chance of shingles, low chance of slate) on it (tho for now it'll just be a thick sheet of polythene whilst I wait for my bank balance to recover from the cost of wood! £38 for a sheet of 11mm OSB!!!). Peak loading will be me sitting on top of it with the EPDM roll in the middle / a tree branch falling on it (it's under some trees).

I tend to overbuild things and the price difference between 3x2 and 4x2 is pretty small (about 30 quid). What are peoples thoughts.... here are some drawings of my current plans (blue is the space for the door, grey are bits that are already up, all of the frame is 4x2 with the exception of the roof beam (6x2) and the rafters in this picture are 3x2 - the overhang on the side isn't representative, just a full 2.4m beam).

So what say the collective - 4x2 or 3x2?



 
Posted : 19/09/2021 9:19 am
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I used 4x2 on mine. Shed is 12'x8' but is a pent roof. Walls are 3x2 with 11mm OSB outside, 9mm inside


 
Posted : 19/09/2021 9:21 am
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Mine is 9×9' approx with a turf roof which is heavy.
I went with 2x7" beams and they easily support the weight of the roof and two people walking about on it.
I would just fit the biggest you can, no downside really as far as I can see.


 
Posted : 19/09/2021 9:24 am
 Ewan
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I guess the only downside is that it makes the weight higher (building it by myself) and will effectively reduce the strength of the roof beam.


 
Posted : 19/09/2021 9:49 am
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I'll be replacing the 12x8 pent shed next year, hopefully timber prices won't be nuts.

A few considerations that I'll be looking to do. A big overhang outside, somewhere handy to sit, work or to dry stuff under a covered area. I'll be cladding vertical York boards, much sturdier than standard lapping cladding.

A double door and I'll mibbe insulate too. Defo pent roof and EPDM covered.


 
Posted : 19/09/2021 1:24 pm
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The spacing of the rafters is probably more structurally important than the size, more rafters supports more because they spread the load more sort of thing.

I just made entirely out of CLS, which is 3x2 I think, built the frames flat on the ground then lifted them up and pinned with the first rafter, then added them one at a time, no heavy or awkward lifting, can walk about on it no problem.

Best tip I discovered was concrete studs, looks like a big screw with a hex head for a socket, they need a hole drilled but they partially self tap and the socket head makes it far easier, they grip like nothing else straight into concrete or slab, you can go within 20mm of the edge of a slab.


 
Posted : 19/09/2021 2:40 pm
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Yeah, this shed is half built and primarily for the lawn mower (we moved to the country in covid so i have a little ride on now). The base is on ground screws which saved a lot of shifting concrete up a hill and digging!

Rafter spacing is on 45cm centres.


 
Posted : 19/09/2021 3:52 pm
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Having built v similar, 4x2 will be more than up to the job


 
Posted : 20/09/2021 7:22 pm
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There are span tables if you really want to be certain.


 
Posted : 20/09/2021 8:50 pm
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Bear in mind the the biggest load a roof will often see is actually upwards, from wind suction in a gale. Extra weight is helpful in that case. In practice (without doing calcs or checking span tables I think 3 x 2 would work but I'd go for 4 X 2 to give you more fixing area at the connections.


 
Posted : 20/09/2021 10:54 pm
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Having done some back-of-an-envelope calcs (lapsed mechanical engineer....) on a couple of similar things recently:

1. Any wood chunky enough to be practical to work with is probably many times stronger than necessary. You can put your whole weight on a single piece of 3x2 over a pretty decent span without any issues, never mind spreading the load across several of them.

2. Bending / deflection is usually more of an issue than actual strength.

3. 1 & 2 nothwithstanding, 4x2 is about 75% stronger and stiffer than 3*2, not 33% as you might expect - the vertical dimension is much more important.


 
Posted : 21/09/2021 12:19 pm
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From a purely mathematical point of view, I'd hazard a guess that the 6x2 ridge beam is actually the weak point.
Probably fine in reality though.


 
Posted : 21/09/2021 12:35 pm
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I ended up going 4x2 - arrives tomorrow. Realised that I could have less rafters if I went 4x2 (tho I was probably over speccing even with 3x2!) so the cost difference was essentially zero, so if in doubt, go large or go home (and absolutely no doubt that'll it'll cope with a 1 in 100 year snow fall!).


 
Posted : 21/09/2021 7:02 pm