[Closed] Seriously! Some people really

Unfortunately yes there is, but You just unwittingly (I hope) [i]introduced that to this situation[/i].

This is not about him being a cyclist and her being a car driver.
They were people sharing a road and happened to be using different vehicles.

This is about her driving dangerously, if it had been a pedestrian that spotted her, or passenger in another car you wouldn't have mentioned the 'us' and 'them'

The only 'us' is people not driving dangerously, the 'them' is people driving dangerously, the fact he is on a bike was inconsequential until you turned it into a thing.

I see your point, but mine is "I'm not the only one, not by a long way". Therefore I think this behaviour is going to make that worse.

Is anybody ignorant of the legal status of that?

Plenty of people on this thread, the YouTube comments and the [url=

FACEBOOK.COM "https://www.facebook.com/roadcc/photos/a.395296355613.177154.57482865613/10152856041330614/]road.cc"

FB comments[/url] seem to think it is perfectly okay and not something anyone should be bothered by.

The legal status seems to be a irrelevant technicality to many.

I ser your point

Then challenge such re-enforcing of the divide when you catch yourself or others bringing it up 🙂

Constant reminder that the divide is manufactured, and that we are all just sharing the road and that the actions of a dangerous driver are dangerous regardless of who spotted them is what's needed.

If anyone makes a comment about the cyclist being militant or similar in response then ask if they want her driving into the back of their car, or not stopping at a crossing for their kid, swing it round to highlight the bad actions of the driver, the truth is the [s]cyclist [/s]observer did everyone a favour, but for some reason people are picking on him.

A bit more of that ^ from everyone might make people slowly realsie it's not acceptable to drive like that (or any other dangerous way seen in videos)

Spot on amedias. The fact he is a cyclist is completely irrelevant to the story, unfortunately very few people actually see that.

The rest just bang on about cyclists going through reds, not paying "road tax" etc etc 🙁

So I see gofasterstripes point too, but I don't think that is necessarily a good reason to just turn a blind eye.

Yes, and you think this video, and others like it are going to help?

I don't.

1. I think these videos will help to highlight unacceptable behaviour = WIN

2. If there is also a concerted effort (in the media and by campaigners) to counter the people targeting the cyclist and flip it back onto 1. then there will be a gradual change in attitude against the bad/illegal behaviour = WIN

The only way this makes it worse is if (the minority lets be honest) of people who already have a pre-existing prejudice go unchallenged, and since one of the best ways to challenge them is with exposure via articles like this it still = WIN

So no, I don't think it will make it worse. I think it might spark up a bit of a debate, but that's actually what we need. It might even be quite a fiery, frothy debate, but you can't win a debate without having a debate, and this give the opportunity to expose the bad behaviour and challenge those that would support it.

OK - all points now well illuminated.

I hope you're right 😀

I hope you're right

me too!

I cling to that hope, sometimes just with the tip of my fingernails, but I do keep holding on...

I'm a little less optimistic. [url= http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/video-anger-as-driver-eats-bowl-of-cereal-1-3167557 ]The Edinburgh one a couple of years ago[/url] was even more blatant. That guy was doing 35mph whilst tucking into his cereal.

But the comments section still revealed it was somehow all the cyclist's fault 🙄

I still think that videos like these are, overall, a force for good though.

IME idiots are overrepresented in comment sections of news stories.

Speshpaul - Member
Should she be eating with 2 hands whilst driving, er no.
But who died and made him Judge Dredd?

"I've got a camera now I need to film something terrible."

GrahamS - Member
Spot on amedias. The fact he is a cyclist is completely irrelevant to the story, unfortunately very few people actually see that.

The rest just bang on about cyclists going through reds, not paying "road tax" etc etc

So I see gofasterstripes point too, but I don't think that is necessarily a good reason to just turn a blind eye.

gofasterstripes - Member
Yes, and you think this video, and others like it are going to help?

I don't.

amedias - Member
1. I think these videos will help to highlight unacceptable behaviour = WIN

2. If there is also a concerted effort (in the media and by campaigners) to counter the people targeting the cyclist and flip it back onto 1. then there will be a gradual change in attitude against the bad/illegal behaviour = WIN

The only way this makes it worse is if (the minority lets be honest) of people who already have a pre-existing prejudice go unchallenged, and since one of the best ways to challenge them is with exposure via articles like this it still = WIN

So no, I don't think it will make it worse. I think it might spark up a bit of a debate, but that's actually what we need. It might even be quite a fiery, frothy debate, but you can't win a debate without having a debate, and this give the opportunity to expose the bad behaviour and challenge those that would support it.

I'm confused by your quoting but I agree with your point

I'm confused by your quoting but I agree with your point

Likewise!

If you are quoting me, Speshpaul, amedias or gofasterstripes as examples of cyclists who find this acceptable then I think you've misread the thread a bit CZ. 😕

[quote=HoratioHufnagel ]IME idiots are overrepresented in comment sections of news stories.

This. I've learned to take comments sections on stuff like this (whether DM online, FB or whatever) with a huge pinch of salt. Maybe I'm just optimistic, but I don't think most people are so stupid.

What's more people who have stupid viewpoints tend to have them anyway and are unlikely to have their views changed by anything.

She's a (crunchy nut) nutter!

It's much easier to make toast in a Discovery-
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What's more people who have stupid viewpoints tend to have them anyway and are unlikely to have their views changed by anything.

The thing that constantly surprises me is when people who you would [i]think[/i] might be naturally sympathetic to a story are the exact opposite.

I would have thought most road cyclists would be at least a bit concerned by drivers not paying attention, but there are plenty of them saying they don''t see what the problem is.

One guy just said [i]"Who cares? We all eat on bikes, she should be able to eat in her car."[/i] 😯

He could have simply handed the video to the police.

But then everybody wouldn't have had the chance to get involved in a thread like this, with its circle-jerk of tut-tutting.

People who go around looking for other peoples' wrong-doings to film and then post on the internet are the bell-ends of all bell-ends. I'd say they need to get a hobby, but then they're already cyclists.

If you drive or cycle enough [ in fact at all on the roads] you dont need to look for incidents as they just happen. I assume most folk do it for the safety they will have when a tit hit them tbh
To them blame the observer for witnessing poor behaviour is somewhat odd

As for using plod perhaps they have in the past and nothing happens so they go for shame by media?

I ate a Snickers bar today on the A2 south of Vienna driving a Discovery. Shocking I know but I feel better now I've confessed.

People are this stupid, yes. Worth bearing in mind when riding and driving...

I stopped in a cloud of tyre smoke a couple of feet from a car facing wrong way, our car showered in debris...

iolo: Can you really not see [i]any[/i] difference between munching on a Snickers and driving about while concentrating on balancing a bowl full of cereal and milk??

As the headcam bloke himself said:

We’ve all eaten mars bars or something, or had a drink of coke, but nothing like this.
“I mean, who takes a bowl of cereal into the car?

matt: holy crap! 😯 well done for avoiding get caught up in it. Hope everyone was okay?

People who go around looking for other peoples' wrong-doings to film and then post on the internet are the bell-ends of all bell-ends.

What about people who are worn down day after day by the dangerous behaviour, lack of enforcement of existing laws, indifference to the very real threat to their lives and then just happen to capture it on film, are they also the bell-ends of bell-ends?

Whether or not this chap went looking for it is as irrelevant as the fact he was on a bike, he's just hopefully stopped this silly woman (and hopefully a few others) from doing this again. Not being in control of your car because you're trying to juggle cereal isn't just dangerous to 'bell-end cyclists with cameras' it's dangerous to other drivers, cyclists, moped riders, motorcyclists, and pedestrians.

A fact you'd think you might be quite glad of considering you are probably at least one of the above.

I honestly can't understand the mindset that would think someone highlighting a danger is the bigger problem than the person driving around while eating cereal!

Ask yourself honestly, how happy would you be if you got a taxi and the driver was driving you round while doing that? bus driver? train driver? (and they don't even need steering!).

Is it just me, or do people not give a shit any more? I was in the petrol station the other day and watched a guy drive in whilst on the phone. Then he sat there for 5 minutes at the pump until he finished his conversation. Totally uncaring that there's several cameras pointing at him.

Then yesterday. Driving to work. I'm in the right hand lane of a dual carriage way. Keeping up to speed with the traffic in front (which is a police car) and the guy behind pulls into the inside lane, does a blatant undertake for no reason, other than to prove the point he can, and nips back in behind the copper in front!

Does no-one enforce traffic laws these days? It's no wonder cyclists are out doing it.

I've had enough of it, I'm fed up (pardon the pun) with this kind of thing behind the wheel.
Every day I see at least 3 people driving their cars looking down at their phones. And now this, eating a bowl of cereal ffs!
I applaud the cyclist for recording it, challenging her and putting it on social media. The police will now have to do something about her.
The thing is though people now think they can get away with what they want there's very few police on patrol to stop them. We need more people like that cyclist, chapeau sir!

Cereals, make-up, shaving, laptops, books, rolling spliffs, passengers sleeping face down on the drivers lap (!!), drinking Tennants Super (I reported that one) I've seen a lot going on in passing cars and twice now I've seen men having a 5 knuckle shuffle whilst cruising on the motorway. Scares my bits off

matt: holy crap! well done for avoiding get caught up in it. Hope everyone was okay?

Seemed it, one lady with minor cut/grazed arm and some minor wrist burns from all the airbags. As I was in middle of busy m-way, as soon as it was apparent people were ok, I left my phone number with one of the trucks and got out of there.

[url= https://flic.kr/p/uMHb7j ]just get someone to help you[/url]

Bloody cyclists...

This story + the still from the video was front page on this evening's Evening Standard. IIRC, angry--tight-leather-jacket man was too.
Media shapes & reflects public opinion so it looks like maybe public opinion's beginning to switch against lousy driving...
Certainly my experience on the road in recent months on club runs is drivers being more courteous and less abusive, which suggests the idea that cyclists aren't the devil's spawn may finally be getting through
Time will tell

This story + the still from the video was front page on this evening's Evening Standard

Made the Daily Mail too.

And despite the expected level of anti-cyclist comments, all the top rated ones were chastising her.

Was headline News on Radio 4. Which surprised me a bit. Not sure it's THAT big a deal. Maybe a slow news day. But can't be a bad thing.

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I just had to post this response that someone on road.cc found.

I love his writing style. It just flows so eloquently, like Byron or a young Oscar Wilde:

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I passed a fella texting while driving at 50mph in bumper to bumper traffic on the M62 .....

I love his writing style

I can only assume he was trying to dictate it to his phone with his mouth full of cereal and the car radio on. 🙂

I do like "shaved legged shouting finger" though. That's lovely.

so the other night i passed this lady on my commute in her black vw registration yp62lpj. who was engrossed in a novel. I assume so because she never looked up once as she crawled through traffic.

The coverage of the story in The Metro is impressively snide:

A very excitable cyclist caught the bizarre scene on camera, and took great joy in confronting her.
...
The cyclist proceeds to tell the driver behind her, because he can.

Even [url= http://www.****/news/article-3128014/Driver-caught-enjoying-breakfast-bowl-spoon-drives-Land-Rover-morning-rush-hour.html ]the Daily Mail managed a more balanced report[/url] than that!

Yes GrahamS - the metro is getting a wee bit far from it's "balanced reporting" position of stating facts for a while now.

@MattOAB - can you just post up when you are thinking about heading out, given your recent experiences - today's and the nutters from a few weeks ago - I'd like to just steer clear of the roads you're using... 😆

Who owns the Metro....?

"Lots of people aren’t paying attention to the road. In any given daylight moment in America, there are 660,000 people behind the wheel who are checking their devices instead of watching the road. Our safety drivers routinely see people weaving in and out of their lanes; we’ve spotted people reading books, and even one playing a trumpet."

https://medium.com/backchannel/the-view-from-the-front-seat-of-the-google-self-driving-car-46fc9f3e6088

Yep, the sooner we move to self-driving cars the better.

Here's your morning clickbait - apologies for Mail link, but where else would it be?

http://www.****/news/article-3130690/SARAH-VINE-says-real-menaces-roads-vigilantes-Lycra-filming-move.html

I'm not clicking that. Any chance of a précis (i can probably guess the main thrust)