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I think the police were confused..
they found a horde of tesco value petrol bombs.. which are bogof at the moment in the civil unrest section at selected stores..
the horde was leftover from the panic buying that people did in the lead up to the damp squib that was the anti-cuts protests in London last month..
Good to see people taking control of their Neighbourhoods. It's what Dave cameron wants.
MBA - mediocre but arrogant
Personally I avoid Tesco but it's quite easy to where I live - fuel from Morrisons, food from Co-op.
We buy everything on our tesco credit card and shop there 50% of the time and love the points deals. We use them all on days out vouchers, which this weekend will enable us to do loads of stuff for free!! Anyway, when do we start on greggs, they've wrecked several bakeries in the local towns around us. Anyway as I'm not a hypocrite I would loved to have bought into that franchise three or four yrs back!!
Horrible company in my opinion. Huge profits
Which are probably paying for your pension, but you wont be complaining about that when you come to cash it in.
Which are probably paying for your pension, but you wont be complaining about that when you come to cash it in.
How can you say that when he clearly understands well enough? 🙄
Tesco is unlikely to be paying into anyone's pension
http://m.accountancyage.com/aa/news/1775369/judge-rules-tesco-s-tax-avoidance
But it seems some people like Tesco.
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Tesco is unlikely to be paying into anyone's pension
Sorry, that's not how it works. Whatever the outcome of that case it's unlikely to significantly impact on Tesco's share price and dividend.
Tesco is unlikely to be paying into anyone's pension
Legal and General do what?
In answer to the OP -
Seriously do people dislike Tesco this much ?
I think the question should have been
Seriously do people dislike living in a Police state this much ?
Will there be an inquiry into this ? Will the police be forced to prove that truly independent witnesses saw petrol bombs ? Will they be held to account if they can't prove this and it turns out that they acted illegaly and ended up injuring both police officers and members of the public as a result ?
These truly are dark days.
In the meantime, just use it as an excuse to hate hippies or tesco.
the problem i have with tesco closing down local alternatives is that once you have lost the choice to exercise your consumer buying power they have cart-blanche to raise prices at the till while forcing producers to lower theirs.
look at milk as an example- the official cost of production is 21p, tesco buy at 17p and sell at 51p. so what do you do if your a dairy farmer?
the problem i have with tesco closing down local alternatives is that once you have lost the choice to exercise your consumer buying power they have cart-blanche to raise prices at the till while forcing producers to lower theirs.
Tesco hasn't, as far as I know, closed down the local alternatives, the customers have. Look at how many "where can I find the cheapest XTR?" threads appear here, followed by "Internet shops are crap" threads and "Where is my local LBS?" threads.
Don't blame Tesco, blame the consumer.
Don't blame Tesco, blame the consumer.
You're saying that Tesco (other large supermarket chains are included) is entirely innocent in changing the face of our high street? That it's ALL down to the consumer?
You are still on the sangria from last night and I claim my five pounds.
so what do you do if your a dairy farmer?
Get a proper job ?
there is also there planning process
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/5342914.stm
here they built a store 20% bigger than they had planning for. Whilst I am sure Tesco insist it was an accident no one seems to have lost their job over this and that is one hell of an oversight.
They also appeal all planning decisions and can cripple councils with charges defennding this.
Re the pensions it is not like someone paying into a pension scheme has any control over what the pension fund does or where it invests. I am not sure what the point is beyond saying tesco dont care and neither does your pension fund as profit is the sole motive of both which is hardly news
http://www.tescopoly.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=333&Itemid=117
if you want to campaign against them you can read here.
Like many large companies they dont really give a shit beyond maximising profit if this is achieved by ignoroing planning laws, avoiding taxes or screwing their suppliers. at £3.2 billion profit and how uickly it it has grown they are very good at it.
Graham [ignoring the vegan argument for a minute] people will go out of production and we will likely end up with super dairies [is this better or just cheaper?] this will impact on the countryside in general and small rural communities.
Don't blame Tesco, blame the consumer
Wrong
Yea, the consumer will gravitate towards best value but it's not individual choice that's to blame. Where has the regulation from bodies that govern the planning applications been? Why do tesco insist on squeezing producers until the pips squeak? Why are prices for many goods artificially low? As with the banking crisis a lack of proper scrutiny and regulation (by successive administrations) has created an artificial economy where big business wins at the expense of everybody else.
Blaming the consumer is not facing up to the reality.
tesco can afford to undercut local shops no matter what their prices are for long enough to close them at which point they can raise them to whatever they want. that is manipulation of the market, it is not consumer choice.
mtg- vegan are you?
DS you are correct if consumers did not shop their none of the conseuences would happen but I am not sure Tesco can completely wash it hands either - clearly it will aim to undercut competitors and drive them out of business as part of their model - they certainly wont be supporting them and given economies of scale [ and consumers basing everything on price only] it is a competition that a sole trader cannot win.
It is also true that CRC merlin Wiggle will impact on LBS but I suspect more for the niche high end consumer spender[us]. If you want a £300 bike and a new tyre you will probably go to the LBS/evans/Halfords if you are not a bike geek so they can compete in other areas. harder for a food retailer to do this.
Luckily Merlin is my LBS so I can do both
MTG is a vegan - so am I
Yea, the consumer will gravitate towards best value but it's not individual choice that's to blame. Where has the regulation from bodies that govern the planning applications been? Why do tesco insist on squeezing producers until the pips squeak? Why are prices for many goods artificially low? As with the banking crisis a lack of proper scrutiny and regulation (by successive administrations) has created an artificial economy where big business wins at the expense of everybody else.
The consumer will gravitate towards the cheapest and the most convenient.
The individual will always have choice until they remove that choice, and they will remove that choice by giving to much power to companies like Tesco who will then increase prices.
I can't comment on planning regulations or any corruption that may be occurring. Don't buy from Tesco, no consumers, no income. No income, no money to expand.
Why do producers insist on being lazy ****s? Why don't they do a bit of their own marketing and selling? Why do they sit back and let a third party do it for them and then complain when things go against them? And finally, because they can. They have an obligation to maximise profits for the shareholder and that's what they do anyway they can.
You can't have it all ways.
To expand on my reply then...
I work for the UK's largest public transport company, the Tesco of bus operators if you will.
Whereas you might phone your local tyre fitter and say "How much will a pair of tyres for my car cost ?", we have probably got someone in head office who phones the tyre manufacturers and says "We've got 9000 buses with 6 tyres each and we're prepared to pay £x per tyre. Can you deliver ?. If not, we'll go somewhere else."
That's business. Why do farmers deserve more sympathy than people working in tyre factories ?
You're saying that Tesco (other large supermarket chains are included) is entirely innocent in changing the face of our high street? That it's ALL down to the consumer?
No, they're not entirely innocent, but neither is the consumer.
You are still on the sangria from last night and I claim my five pounds.
It's allowed on the iDave diet, hic!
mtg- i applaud your choices
but farmers deserve sympathy because we cannot survive without them, ok not dairy farmers, i used them as an example as there were figures readily available.
MidlandTrailquestsGraham - Member
so what do you do if your a dairy farmer?Get a proper job ?
It is a proper job, Tesco though likes to pay people less for the milk than it costs to make, thats no right, tesco is destroying small family farms, the only farmers that are still going have had to get big and industrial, i grew up on a farm ( quite a big one i must admit) and have seen how things have changed because of these bastards.. quite simply i hope any one that supports their right to exist or works for them in levels of higher management chokes to death on one of their crappy hot cross buns.
They are also doing a good job of destroying the environment as well! all those unnecessary transport of goods, take a cabbage from penzance, to bristol and back to penzance again...epic fail!
Lazy producers?
Making a profit for shareholders? An obligation no less at everybody elses expense.
Blimey
i take it most of the anti farmer comments come from stupid lower middle class townies, that read the guardian and think any one that does not think like them must be evil or stupid!
Tesco though likes to pay people less for the milk than it costs to make,
That's not a very good business, is it? Why don't they sell it themselves and keep the profit? Just like the dairy farm local to where I used to live, lovely fresh green top...
Making a profit for shareholders? An obligation no less at everybody elses expense.
I didn't say it was pretty, I'm just saying how it is. Neither am I saying that I agree with it.
j_me - Member...aaaaaand! they're off.... 😀
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yossarian - Member
Lazy producers?
yea many of them have killed them selves because of tesco destroying their lives, seriously i will happily fight any one that thinks farmers are lazzy and think that some how deserve to lose their way of life for the benefit of a few share holders.
Apparently 96% of the local community had come out against Tesco's opening in the local are, and vowed not to shop there - so, clearly there's no problem, the store will close in no time at all due to lack of customers.
This is how the free market works!
Why are Tesco so successful in local areas? Said it before on here - its down to the simple fact that the local shops are still stuck on traditional opening hours (9-5, often 9-3 for butchers and bakers) which came about when, as a general rule, women didn't work. Society has changed, increasingly women work for a living, people want to shop for dinner on their way home, shops need to adapt to recognise this, unti they do, supermarkets will continue to expand, and small independent shops continue to close.
That's not a very good business, is it? Why don't they sell it themselves and keep the profit? Just like the dairy farm local to where I used to live, lovely fresh green top...
Because the smaller farms already struggle for money and what you're suggesting is that they set-up an operation that involves buying in containers to hold the milk and then either hiring more people or installing machinery to fill said containers and then someone to sell said containers. On top of that to sell all the milk that they get they'd probably need some form of marketing campaign too.
Tesco though likes to pay people less for the milk than it costs to make,That's not a very good business, is it? Why don't they sell it themselves and keep the profit? Just like the dairy farm local to where I used to live, lovely fresh green top..
because you need to spend millions of pounds on a milk processing plant! and where are you going to sell it? personaly i think all the farmers should go on strike, 3 days and the country would collapse from food shortages!
Economies of scale and the downsides of monopoly are not that hard to grasp. Putting responsibility on the consumer is naive.
The Police's heavy handed approach is another issue all together but good on the locals for standing up for fighting for their principles, putting their liberty on the line and risking injury for their community.
That's true Englishness standing up for principles, a community and against at best inept at worst corrupt governance.
The real villain’s here are not the police, Tescos or the community. It's the council for letting the planning go through with overwhelming local opposition because they don't value or care about the community.
Lazy producers?
Making a profit for shareholders? An obligation no less at everybody elses expense.
Blimey
Because the smaller farms already struggle for money and what you're suggesting is that they set-up an operation that involves buying in containers to hold the milk and then either hiring more people or installing machinery to fill said containers and then someone to sell said containers. On top of that to sell all the milk that they get they'd probably need some form of marketing campaign too.
Erm, yes! And if they can't do all that without making a profit, there isn't a business.
Or, they could group together and buy equipment between, say, 5 farms and share the profits. We could even call it a co-operative as they'd be working together. 💡
Why do farmers deserve more sympathy than people working in tyre factories ?
they dont but we all need food but not tyres loosing faers is nto in our long term best interest. They do a lot of countryside management as well and maintain the footpaths and bridleways on their land , trim hedges etc. that has value to me.
We will end up with super farms which is not a good thing IMHO.
DS has apoint they could selllocally but what the supermarkets dod was buy in bulk for a reasonable price then slowly over time reduce that price one the old network/distribution was gone. I suspect they will be happy to generalise this model to everything else they do as they can exploit the suppliers as well as the consumer
id have your back in that fight jenbe
don simon - Member
Because the smaller farms already struggle for money and what you're suggesting is that they set-up an operation that involves buying in containers to hold the milk and then either hiring more people or installing machinery to fill said containers and then someone to sell said containers. On top of that to sell all the milk that they get they'd probably need some form of marketing campaign too.Erm, yes! And if they can't do all that without making a profit, there isn't a business.
Or, they could group together and buy equipment between, say, 5 farms and share the profits. We could even call it a co-operative as they'd be working together.
5 skint people put together dont have any money, what planet are you on? seriously i expect you have spent you hole life in a town haven't you!0 to build a botteling and heat treatment plant would cost many millions of pounds!
what the supermarkets dod was buy in bulk for a reasonable price then slowly over time reduce that price one the old network/distribution was gone.
Surely that was the MMB (Milk Marketing Board, later Dairy Crest) as they were generally responsible for setting prices and collecting a large majority of the nation's milk.
the days of the MMB our gone, no more fixed price...no more milk very soon... even the really big boys are struggling!
The real villain’s here are not the police, Tescos or the community. It's the council for letting the planning go through with overwhelming local opposition because they don't value or care about the community.
Nail. Head.
5 skint people put together dont have any money, what planet are you on? seriously i expect you have spent you hole life in a town haven't you!
That's right, my grandfather didn't have a dairy farm in rural Cheshire. I didn't work in a creamery in rural Shropshire. I didn't lose my job because of mechanisation of the cheesemaking process. I don't live halfway up a mountain in rural Spain. I don't have a business degree. I don't speak to people of influence in large organisations. I didn't work with a guy whose father, a farmer, committed suicide. But don't let any of that worry you. 😉
the days of the MMB our gone, no more fixed price...no more milk very soon... even the really big boys are struggling!
Thanks, I didn't know that. What have they done with the Thames Ditton offices?
don simon
The MMB hasnt existed for at least 15 years or more, can remember my granny saying that milk was over when they stopped the fixed price, when i was little kid, shame used to like the cows, just cabbages now... 🙁 many small farmers have killed them selves because of that and its not funny at all...
The MMB hasnt existed for at least 15 years or more,
I know, I used to work for them. 😉
the MMB was disbanded in 1994 and replaced by the free market one of its roles was to guarantee a minimum price Dairy crest still exists but is an independent organisation now. I think my point still holds true about what they [supermarkets] did was aggre to buy all the supply then negotiate the price downwards. it is almost at the same price now as it was in 1994 though to be fair to the supermarkets
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EDIT: why mention it if you knew? You dont need to know much about them good luck with the MBA 😉