^ exactly.
Sounds like you've decided anyway, I'd go with Rusty and just be very honest and start with a realistic price. Tbh I'd be more worried about the advisories if you think it's going to be a bigger problem next year.
Charity scrappage is another option.
Or The local fire station will take them I think to practice accident rescues on.
local fire station will take them I think to practice accident rescues on.
For a car that could still give some service for someone willing to take it on? Doesn’t seem very green as others have said.
I got made redundant in Sep and lost a company car. A lucky new job meant I needed a car pronto and a friend had a car that was available. It’s 12 years old but is a damn sight better than the 7 year old car I had to buy for starting work 30 years ago.
It was originally bought as a stop gap but I’m tempted to keep it indefinitely- happy to pay a few hundred on repairs each year if needed rather than sell/scrap and pay that each month for something newer. It’s had a new cam belt as part of the purchase so even if I get 5 years out of it I’ll be happy.
I’d stick it on Gumtree, honest description, include the details of the MOT failure, even a pic of it. Providing the parts cost is below the value of it repaired, someone who like a bit of home mechanicing will likely buy it for something.
I did this with my old X Type estate. It failed MOT on corroded brakes lines, needed a pair of tyres and needed a clutch/DMF. For me to get all that done wasn’t really worth it so I put it on gumtree for £500 while I was at work.
By the time I arrived home there were a couple of guys standing on the drive looking around it, having recognised the house from the photo 😳
10 minutes later they handed me £450 and took it away.
Fixed it up and sold it a few weeks later.
[strong]naffa[/strong] wrote:
Are any of the failures classed as MAJOR? If so then advertising it make ssure the buyer knows this as any mot you thought you had remaining is automatically cancelled with a MAJOR fail. Hence any buyer would need to trailer or recover it away.
It's confusing, but nope.
There's now 4 categories. Dangerous, major, minor and advisory. It's only dangerous faults that you can't drive (bald tyres, faulty brakes, no brake lights etc). Most things are now Major faults which you can drive away and get repaired somewhere else as long as the old MOT is still in date.
https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test
On a side note, was a brake bulb not working never an MOT failure? I found out the other day that only >1/2 of the bulbs (i.e. 2 on most cars) have to work, one out is just a minor fault which wont get a fail.
As of may 2018 naffa is correct.
You still have the right to take it to a place of a repair but that doesn't make it right to buy and drive home.
A failed mot be automatically recorded and will flag on anpr.
If the major fault still exists you are not driving a roadworthy car.
The catch all is at the bottom of the linke Tina's provided
On a side note, was a brake bulb not working never an MOT failure? I found out the other day that only >1/2 of the bulbs (i.e. 2 on most cars) have to work, one out is just a minor fault which wont get a fail.
That's not what it says. It's if theres multiple sources of light ..ie a 5 led high level brake light...then 1/2 of it must work.
You can't just go around with 1 our of 2 brake lights. Lamp inoperative is a major fail.
your MOT is valid for a year (or up to 13 months if the test is early, or 18 months if covid, etc etc), regardless of what happens to the car. The car might become unroadworthy during that time for many reasons, and could fail its next MOT for that unroadworthiness, but you may drive it again once it is roadworthy without any issues - ie if I punt my car in for an MOT a month early and they say there's threads showing on the tyre (dangerous), if I get a tyre fitter to put new boots on, its legal to drive that moment, I don't need to get it retested (until the original MOT expires)
200,000 isn’t a lot of miles
it is a lot of miles. Its not so many a car might need to be scrapped, but its significantly higher than the average miles that cars are scrapped at, and for most cars, will mean its value is so small that fairly mundane jobs (of which there will be more, due to the milage) will cause it to not be worth bothering with. Cars average around 14 years before getting scrapped, and average ~7,500 miles per year, so that gives the average scrapped car a milage a smidge over 105,000 miles. a bunch of those would be writeoffs due to accident, but its still significantly less than 200,000.
As of may 2018 naffa is correct.
You still have the right to take it to a place of a repair but that doesn’t make it right to buy and drive home.
A failed mot be automatically recorded and will flag on anpr.
If the major fault still exists you are not driving a roadworthy car.
The catch all is at the bottom of the linke Tina’s provided
Nope, that says:
Driving a vehicle that’s failed
You can take your vehicle away if:your current MOT certificate is still valid
no ‘dangerous’ problems were listed in the MOT
Otherwise, you’ll need to get it repaired before you can drive.If you can take your vehicle away, it must still meet the minimum standards of roadworthiness at all times.
The Dangerous and Major categories cover different things. Otherwise whats the point? Major is anything that would fail it, but isn't imediately dangerous.
That’s not what it says. It’s if theres multiple sources of light ..ie a 5 led high level brake light…then 1/2 of it must work.
Id agree based on what the book says. But then kwickfits website says:
All vehicles manufactured since 1971 must have a minimum of 2 brake lights (or stop lights) at the rear of the vehicle. If a vehicle has three brakes lights and one is not functioning, the vehicle will receive a Minor defect on the MOT.
And goes onto say 2 out is a major and 3 dangerous.
The justification I was told is its not a fail if its not connected (as long as two work), and that the presumption has to be on the side of the presenter.
kwickfits website says:
All vehicles manufactured since 1971 must have a minimum of 2 brake lights (or stop lights) at the rear of the vehicle. If a vehicle has three brakes lights and one is not functioning, the vehicle will receive a Minor defect on the MOT.
And goes onto say 2 out is a major and 3 dangerous.
Which is different to your first post on the subject where only 1/2 have to work. At best your quote suggests 2/3 must work
Like wise the regs also state that if there are two stop lights they must be one on on each side....so technically your high level light could be unplugged if only 2 of 5 bulbs work. But if you leave it in its a major fail with 3 of 5 working it would be a minor.
Frankly I'd trust quackfits copy writer to have almost certainly never have had anything to do with an MOT.
Also you need to extend your partial quote further to the bit at the bottom.that is relevent. On your first point.
If the cars not in a safe condition then you can be fined up to 2500 .
if I get a tyre fitter to put new boots on, its legal to drive that moment,
Absolutely. The minute you put that new tire on the became roadworthy and you no longer fall fowl of the small print.
I regularly drive , 2 or 3 times a week, my grandad Toyota starlet from 1996. Passed its Mot last month with zero issues!
If you have the space and any desire to learn to do more than change your bike tyre, it could be worth advertising as breaking for parts - especially if you can find an owners club on Facebook. You can then scrap it once the requests for different bits start drying up. That's normally the highest return especially on something like a merc
Fine in principle but who wants a scrapyard on their drive? It's also a pain in the hole as most exterior/mechanical bits can't be posted through the usual couriers.
Which is different to your first post on the subject where only 1/2 have to work. At best your quote suggests 2/3 must work
Like wise the regs also state that if there are two stop lights they must be one on on each side….so technically your high level light could be unplugged if only 2 of 5 bulbs work. But if you leave it in its a major fail with 3 of 5 working it would be a minor.
Frankly I’d trust quackfits copy writer to have almost certainly never have had anything to do with an MOT.
I'd be inclined to agree on the copywriter, but that wasn't where I heard it originally, I wonder if something was issued in the guidance notes/bulletins or if it's been corrected. IK agree it should be a fail because if you're following a car with one brake light you don't know if it's a car or a motorbike.
Also you need to extend your partial quote further to the bit at the bottom.that is relevent. On your first point.
If the cars not in a safe condition then you can be fined up to 2500 .
Nope, you're still wrong if you're referring to the section on minimum roadworthyness.
A good example is brake lines.
Minor - 1.1.11( d) (i) inadequately clipped or supported
Major - 1.1.11 (c) Brake pipe damaged or excessively corroded
Dangerous - 1.1.11 (a) Brake pipe is at imminent risk of failure or fracture
Minor faults are not a fail
Major faults are a fail you can get fixed elsewhere
Dangerous faults are where you can't drive it and have to getit fixed there or trailer it.
So you absolutely can drive a car that has failed it's MOT as long as (I'm quoting the exact same thing again with the extra bits that aren't relevant to Major faults.)
Driving a vehicle that’s failed
You can take your vehicle away if:your current MOT certificate is still valid
no ‘dangerous’ problems were listed in the MOT
Otherwise, you’ll need to get it repaired before you can drive.If you can take your vehicle away, it must still meet the minimum standards of roadworthiness at all times.
Check your vehicle is safe to drive
You’re responsible for making sure your vehicle is always safe to drive (‘roadworthy’). It can be unsafe even if you have a current MOT certificate.You can be fined up to £2,500, be banned from driving and get 3 penalty points for driving a vehicle in a dangerous condition.
There are different rules for commercial vehicles.
Checks you should carry out
Every time you drive you should check:the windscreen, windows and mirrors are clean
all lights work
the brakes work
Your vehicle’s handbook will tell you how often to check the:engine oil
water level in the radiator or expansion tank
brake fluid level
battery
windscreen and rear window washer bottles - top up with windscreen washer fluid if necessary
tyres - they must have the correct tread depth and be free of cuts and defects
The handbook will also tell you when your vehicle needs to be serviced.Tyre tread
Tread must be a certain depth depending on the type of vehicle:cars, light vans and light trailers - 1.6 millimetres (mm)
motorcycles, large vehicles and passenger-carrying vehicles - 1mm
Mopeds only need to have visible tread.There must be tread across the middle three-quarters and around the entire tyre.
