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If you want a good account of the whole Salmond affair then read Break up by David Clegg and Kieran Andrews.  It is thoroughly investigated and the conclusions are scathing


 
Posted : 19/07/2024 12:18 am
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David Clegg of the Daily Record? The person that Liz Lloyd allegedly leeked to? Does he name her in this book?


 
Posted : 19/07/2024 12:31 am
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No he is smarter than that. I was sceptical too but there's no other  attempt to give fair summary of the whole thing , so far as I know.


 
Posted : 19/07/2024 1:37 am
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allegedly leeked

What in the hell do they do with the Leek? Or is this NSFW?


 
Posted : 19/07/2024 7:12 am
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https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,social-care-services-in-scotland-found-to-be-unsustainable?fbclid=IwY2xjawEQ6gJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHSwQ6RU6msR9rjisyxQZto1YB3a3gOKgDLWpOm03rwQHLLJgkkJxLWtZxQ_aem_vBn__yezdO1beU7HAtamIw

Prices are going up faster than our already poor wages that's why social  care providers cant recruit and retain staff


 
Posted : 26/07/2024 10:54 pm
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Currently reading Clegg's book after picking a copy up for £3.50.  A good reminder of the major issues and plenty detail I wasn't aware of. Still amazed that theoretically neutral civil servants explained not taking serious allegations further at the time because it might affect the referendum.


 
Posted : 27/07/2024 8:14 am
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Up here on holiday just now seeing the family, what is going on with the drug addicts and stuff, i come up once or twice a year, but just now i don't think i've ever seen so many junkies and alcoholics wandering about as this, i know it was recently stated that scotland has the highest drug deaths in Europe, but it's mental seeing so many around, i'm in Perth just now and it's like it's level pegging with Bristol in terms of numbers, was through Dundee earlier in the week and that's even worse.


 
Posted : 23/08/2024 9:46 am
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i know it was recently stated that scotland has the highest drug deaths in Europe, 

Yes we've an issue but would you be surprised to learn that the key reason is due to how deaths are recorded in Scotland, compared to other countries, especially the rest of the UK?

This is worth a read, as it puts it far better than a couple of bullets.

https://analysisfunction.civilservice.gov.uk/blog/comparability-of-drug-related-death-statistics-across-the-united-kingdom/


 
Posted : 23/08/2024 10:07 am
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Also remember that the tories in Westminster vetoed attempts at harm reduction

No doubt the drug deaths issue is real ( if perhaps overstated) and no doubt this is being weaponised to attack the SNP despite the fact that they have little power to influence poverty ( tho they have taken some steps) and poverty / shit lives is a prime driver of hard drug addiction and also remember that Westminster tories vetoed attempts to reduce the issue simply so they still had the stick to beat the SNP with

IIRC finally the "shooting galleries" are now being put in place in Glasgow.  a tiny but important step to harm reduction


 
Posted : 23/08/2024 1:28 pm
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Here is another topic that could well have interesting ramifications.  The assisted dying bill ( cue boredom from you all 🙂 )

Forbes church is very much against this.  Will she have learned from being so burnt over religion in her campaign for the leadership that she will be able to keep her religion out of this? the bill is in committee stages now but will be coming back to the house for a full vote at some point.  I do not expect her to support it but what stance will she take?  The religious right are mobilising against the bill in particularly nasty ways.

Its supported by the overwhelming majority of the electorate.

so will she say " Its a conscience matter" and shut up?

"Its a conscience matter and I will be voting against"  ( both acceptable in my view.)

or will she simply state " my religion is against it, I will be voting against"  ( acceptable just about IMO)

or will she campaign against on the fake secular grounds that the religious right use and the lies they use. ( completely unacceptable IMO)

Its going to be an interesting test for her I think and how she handles it will have great bearing on how her political career goes.  So far I have heard nothing from her.


 
Posted : 23/08/2024 1:39 pm
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Have we done the SNP pulling nature recovery / nature services finance and some technology finance to pay for the pay rises / hole left by Westminster cuts?

I'm seriously pissed off with the nature finance being pulled, but struggling to work out why beyond SNP spending again...


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 6:41 pm
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Have we done the SNP pulling nature recovery / nature services finance and some technology finance to pay for the pay rises / hole left by Westminster cuts?

Don't think this is down to UK government, these are deals that the Scottish Government have made with unions, councils, etc. The Scottish Fiscal Commission released a press release today regarding Scottish finances as well, it's not a positive read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rw9l40qxdo


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 7:08 pm
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Thank you, that's an interesting read.

If they keep this up until 2026, I expect we may see a change in government...


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 7:27 pm
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2026 is a lifetime away in politics, the SNP need to just get back to working out how to govern properly and reduce internal strife, pretty much like every other government!


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 7:42 pm
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Matt, would you be happier if the government limited pay increases to public sector workers like, err, teachers?


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 7:44 pm
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Yes. Mrs_oab didn't want the pay increase. She's top of the payscale, and frankly we can live in a nice place and do nice things on her part time wages. She would earn more than me if full-time.

Her and my view is a) it's the conditions of teaching that is the issue, not lack of pay b) there was going to be cuts to pay for this and c) a focus was needed on the poorest in our society.


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 8:24 pm
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Don’t think this is down to UK government

It is.  They control the scottish budget.  any scottish tax raising powers are tiny and designed to be unpopular / unusable

I expect we may see a change in government…

Pretty certain.  The SNP need a spell on the back benches to recover their mojo and sort out the simmering battle between left and right

~Expect a labour / tory coalition


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 9:22 pm
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~Expect a labour / tory coalition

Never gonna happen, I'd put a fish tea at Nardinis or Fishworks on it.


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 9:59 pm
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Yes. Mrs_oab didn’t want the pay increase. She’s top of the payscale, and frankly we can live in a nice place and do nice things on her part time wages. She would earn more than me if full-time.

Her and my view is a) it’s the conditions of teaching that is the issue, not lack of pay b) there was going to be cuts to pay for this and c) a focus was needed on the poorest in our society.

laudable though those views are, the re won’t be many who even with those views simply donate all the extra income to the needy! (Which does have the advantage that you can decide how it’s spent).   Whilst she may not need/want the money right now - pay rises matter because they also affect your pension.  Having the ability to afford to quit work early is a genuine luxury - especially in professions where the rest of the conditions are crap.


 
Posted : 27/08/2024 10:30 pm
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Teaching unions may well be registering an official dispute with COSLA and the SG by lunchtime on Monday. COSLA and SG have been essentially ignoring the issue of a pay settlement this year since January, despite an agreement at the end of the 2022 industrial action that a settlement would be negotiated and in place before 1 August 2024. One excuse is that they were too busy negotiating with other sectors.

Sounds like amateurs unable to plan ahead. I don't hold the teaching unions in very high regard either.


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 12:13 am
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Looks like the Scottish government were looking to a spending boost from westminster to cover shortfalls.  Now Reeves is continuing with austerity they are in big trouble with the 22 billion hole and spending cuts meaning a lower scottish govwernment budget not higher hence big troubles making the books balance which Scotland has to do unlike the rest of the UK


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 8:07 am
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laudable though those views are

It was self preservation to.

One of the reasons for her job being cut has been to pay for the other teachers pay rise in the local authority. So a pay rise has cost her.

Across classrooms for the next few years you will now see fewer teachers and fewer classroom assignments. You will see early years hours cut.

While I get that people want more money, it's going to make the conditions they work in much harder.


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 8:35 am
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Never gonna happen, I’d put a fish tea at Nardinis or Fishworks on it.

My bet is that labour will be the biggest party but even with the lib dems will not be able to get close enough to a majority .  What will they do then?  Given the precedent on councils they will make a deal for tory support


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 9:49 am
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My bet is that labour will be the biggest party but even with the lib dems will not be able to get close enough to a majority .  What will they do then?  Given the precedent on councils they will make a deal for tory support

the same as the SNP currently do, and have done in the past - rally support on a case by case basis rather than simply whipping stuff through a coalition.   A pact with the tories would be political suicide in Scotland.    There’s not enough media attention of councils for your average punter to know what goes on there, and each one is slightly different anyway.

I’m not sure that Scottish tories will do that well anyway - will in part depend which leader they elect both north and south of the border and how well SKS manages to pin the blame for Labour “pain” like tax rises and service cuts on the tories mismanagement.   Assuming the tax increases in the budget are Inheritance and Cap Gains those may not hurt average Scots as much as those in the SE so if they manage to manipulate the media that could play well.  If he taxes pensions then I’m sure swinney will be quick to point out it’s a U.K. not Scottish decision.  (FWIW I would do all three and abolish the plan to protect assets from care costs - they SHOULD be able to find a message that resonates with ordinary people who don’t have enough wealth to worry about these things).


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 11:15 am
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the same as the SNP currently do, and have done in the past – rally support on a case by case basis rather than simply whipping stuff through a coalition.

I don't think they will be close enough in seats to do this even with lib dems.  thats my bet.  SNP have only been one or two short or a majority.  I think labour will be 10 - 20 short even with lib dems.  Thus they will not get stuff thru without SNP or tory support


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 11:21 am
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I'm coming round to the notion that the SNP will again win the most seats at the next HE (I think Starmer is poisoning the water for Sarwar). Who forms the next government will then come down to how much Labour want to showboat. If they keep voting against a SNP First Minister then they are basically aligining themselves with the Tories at that point. If they put forward their own candidate then they'll likely need Tory support to get them elected. I guess the Tories could refuse to do so, at which point some sort of electoral stalemate ensues. In a perfect scenario, SNP need Alba to form a government 🙂

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24540930.poll-salmond-relected-labour-take-power/


 
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In a perfect scenario, SNP need Alba to form a government 🙂

I think given their form they would be doing well to retain their single seat given they haven't retained, let alone won, any in an election to date.


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 2:17 pm
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I don’t think they will be close enough in seats to do this even with lib dems.  thats my bet.  SNP have only been one or two short or a majority.  I think labour will be 10 – 20 short even with lib dems.  Thus they will not get stuff thru without SNP or tory support

it changes the dynamic - but even if you are 10 short you can still get "good stuff" done.  The tricky thing is the budget, but other that that unless your policy is bonkers some other assortment of parties will vote/abstain to ensure they aren't ridiculed for blocking it.  Salmond's first term was a  47/129 minority with no formal coalition.  Obviously the greens will not be falling over themselves to help the SNP this time round - but if they think the alternative is tories in coalition they might be willing to abstain where necessary.


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 2:51 pm
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I’m coming round to the notion that the SNP will again win the most seats at the next HE

I'll be surprised.  Needs quite a turnaround IMO  I think the SNP will lose a fair few seats but I also think labour are close to their ceiling.  20% core vote and 20% floating ish

Lots to happen between now and then tho for sure but I think the SNP will ( perhaps rightly?) be blamed for the coming cuts.  I think the SNP overspent with an eye to a generous budget from Westminster 🙂


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 3:53 pm
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Salmond’s first term was a 47/129 minority

They did have support from both Greens and tories - Goldie wanted the Scots Parliament to work and got a bit out of them


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 3:56 pm
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The SNP will be blamed for cuts but will point to the number of folk also complaining about cuts in England and Wales. Those are obviously the fault of the UK Govt so shifting at least some of the blame will be easy.


 
Posted : 28/08/2024 8:29 pm
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Oh dear -  misuse of Scots government cars.  Neal Gray has been using them to go to football matches and made a halfhearted apology claiming he did nothing wrong

Small beer in the grand scheme of things but he has to go for this.  Big test for Swinney here.  The SNP government are showing all the signs of a party in power too long

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Scotland’s health secretary – and Dons fan – Neil Gray has apologised for appearing to act “more as a fan than a minister” when he took ministerial cars to Aberdeen games on three occasions in six months.

In response to mounting criticism from opposition parties at Holyrood, and on the day that his planned reforms to social care were delayed yet again, Gray told MSPs:

What I have reflected upon and what I apologise for is the appearance that I have been acting more as a fan, not getting the balance right, by attending Aberdeen games and attending others.
But he insisted that he had not broken any rules and that all the matches were recorded as official government business, with summaries of the discussions that took place to be published.

He revealed that he’d attended a total of six matches accompanied by family members and guests in the chauffeur-driven limousines, the three Aberdeen ones mentioned in a report at the weekend, but also other matches including a Scotland game.

With the Scottish Conservatives demanding further investigation, this will be a real test of John Swinney’s commitment in Programme for Government to strengthen the ministerial code, and to let independent advisers decide unilaterally whether something is worth investigating as a breach.


 
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Yes, Government business my arse. They get a decent wage, they can probably get free tickets in hospitality if they make a phone call, yet they have to go further and use the Government car to get there. Some of these MSPs/MPs do not deserve to be where they are, their sense of what is right has gone missing.


 
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"all within the rules"

Ffs


 
Posted : 14/11/2024 7:03 pm
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I do love the description as "chauffeur-driven limousines"  as far as I know they are perfectly ordinary cars like Octavias but with a driver.  I'll bet the Grauniad lifted the story right from one of the anti SNP papers

Doesn't everyone take their kids with them when they are on official government business?


 
Posted : 14/11/2024 7:24 pm
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What an amateur, he should have taken the helicopter


 
Posted : 14/11/2024 7:37 pm
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So dull… it’s “employee uses work printer for non-work letter” territory… not exactly “multi million pound contract given to mate’s new company that was set up this morning”.


 
Posted : 14/11/2024 7:55 pm
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exactly - and the apology is shite.  thats what will do for him.  He should have made a proper apology and paid for the usage of the cars

HOw long till he is on the back benches - I say a week and Swinney will take a load of damage for it


 
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as far as I know they are perfectly ordinary cars like Octavias but with a driver.

don’t think they’ve ever been Octavia’s, former cabinet sec lived across the street for a while - were Superbs.  But now Tesla’s/other EV/hybrids.  Yes not limos basically glorified taxis… but then other MSPs fell down over claiming taxis for non official business.  The limos probably aren’t actually as big a problem as conducting business at a football match, especially one which your family were attending!


 
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What a fanny, send him to Patna.


 
Posted : 14/11/2024 9:00 pm
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Same bucket as the Kier Starmer Arsenal freebies to my mind - the arrogance undermines public trust. You're paid enough to buy your own tickets and travel to the football ffs!


 
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What a fanny, send him to Patna.

That’s a bit much, I’d send him to Waterside first and he does it again then Patna


 
Posted : 14/11/2024 11:18 pm
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Ive only just found out there is a Patna in Ayrshire 🙂  I wondered why you wanted to send him to India?


 
Posted : 14/11/2024 11:31 pm
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Same bucket as the Kier Starmer Arsenal freebies to my mind – the arrogance undermines public trust. You’re paid enough to buy your own tickets and travel to the football ffs!

actually I’d give much more slack to SKS - he can hardly go and sit in the terraces without a major security operation.  I doubt most people at the game would even recognise Neil Gray!


 
Posted : 15/11/2024 12:02 am
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"What a fanny send him to Patna"

He's an Aberdeen fan send him to Darvel


 
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