Not qualified yet (take another year or two).
But why not Edinburgh? When I was up there to cycle the Capital Trail it really impressed me.
I'm hearing the council actually has the balls to take on the car lobby and try to create a livable city.
You have some world-class biking and nature on the doorstep.
Culturally vibrant city, lovely location, good pubs, venues, the fringe festival etc.
Being in the EU would be the icing on the cake.
I'd love to live there!
Looks like things might be accelerating. I think we can thank the Loyalists for a lot of this movement.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18531565.latest-poll-finds-support-scottish-independence-54/
In the early days of this pandemic, there seemed to be a bit of unity across the UK, and I was of the opinion that it was a bit of a setback for indy, but if it meant a quicker escape route out of this by a collaborative approach, it would be worth it.
I think I jumped the gun a bit, it's been anything but United.
I'm moving back to Scotland this week after 31 years of being away. When I moved to England, I found it more tolerant and open having suffered the travails of a religiously segregated education system and limited job prospects, post-Thatcher industrial landscape. I expect that once the impact of the UK's catastrophic pandemic and Brexit really take hold, then that 54% is likely to grow.
That’s really brightened my day, thank you.
I know it was commissioned by a pro Indy group but anything remotely resembling good news is welcome.
Support in Wales is also growing.
YouGov survey for ITV Wales and Cardiff University published at the beginning of June showed 25% of people in Wales backed independence, a 4% increase from the previous survey in January.
Way behind Scotland but momentum is picking up.
I know it was commissioned by a pro Indy group but anything remotely resembling good news is welcome.
According to Scotland Goes Pop it was a full survey too, not a sub-sample. That just means that it is likely to be more accurate.
The survey, which asked 1070 Scottish residents over the age of 16 found support for independence was 54% to 46%.
So it only polled 1070 residents?, Im all in for independence but thats a tiny amount polled.
So now is a great time for the SNP/Scottish Govt to demonstrate leadership of how to manage/rule a small northern European country and feal with the fallout of the pandemic. Demonstrate to those who want to stay as part of the UK what can be done to grow the economy, get education restarted and improve the quality of life for everyone in Scotland. So far not good on the economy and even worse for education, but still plenty of time. Of course Scotland should be measuring itself against all European countries not just England, Wales and NI.
So it only polled 1070 residents?, Im all in for independence but thats a tiny amount polled.
Thats about a normal sample size for a poll.
This might be worth a read https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/13/political-poll-results-polling-industry-data
YouGov for example use samples in the 1500-2000 range
https://yougov.co.uk/about/panel-methodology/research-qs/
When I moved to England, I found it more tolerant and open having suffered the travails of a religiously segregated education system
This may be the first time ive posted in this type of thread but central belt by any chance? you wont find much of this bollox elsewhere so please try not to tar the rest of us with this.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree it's worse in the central belt, religious segregation is a nationwide load of bollocks
@sadmadalan Not that much the Scottish government can do as most of the economic powers still lie at Westminster. Not just my view but also that of Prof Anton Muscstelli on Radio Shortbread this morning. That's not to say that the Scottish Government shouldn't use the limited powers they do have.
Muscatelli
Independence with anything less than a 60% majority would be a bit pointless.
I've always been pro Union but the further Westminster seems content to descend into self serving Trump style politics, the more I could be moved to Independence. I think another Tory government at next general election would be the nail in my pro Union coffin
Thats sort of my pragmatic position Frank - I don't really want an independent Scotland for its own sake - but I am totally fed up of dysfunctional tory governments and want a progressive competent one. Independence seems to me the most likely way of getting this
Independence with anything less than a 60% majority would be a bit pointless.
If you mean a call for a referendum with less than 60% support, then yes, I'd agree for sure.
Nobeerinthefridge
If you mean a call for a referendum with less than 60% support, then yes, I’d agree for sure.
I believe the opinion polls when the first referendum was called were around 30% at best and after campaigning that rose to the actual result of 45%.
That demonstrates that any % that is within reach of a majority is a good reason to call a referendum because it can be improved upon.
Of course it's possible, but I'd prefer to come from a more solid base Brian, and have a decent result in the end.
Nobeerinthe fridge
Of course it’s possible, but I’d prefer to come from a more solid base Brian, and have a decent result in the end.
I agree with you, but the reality is grab whatever opportunity comes along when it comes along. Cameron only agreed to the referendum because he thought it would kill the independence movement for a while.
It's a case of try, try, and try again and never ever give up*.
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*Referencing a famous Scottish independence campaigner of a few years back. 🙂
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Looking forward to seeing who they manage to dredge up who will be acceptable to Dom and Bojo.
Couldn't face being the leader when the union finally starts to unravel...
Whit a walloper!
It will be Douglas Ross who IIRC is a total brexity rocket
I also read that there is a scandal in a business Carlaw was a director that is going bust of with 22 paintings bought as investments that the administrators cannot find
Today makes it even more stupid - Sturgeon got a bollocking for misuse of stats! Open goal - missed!
Thats the final nail in both the union AND the recent gains made by the Tories. Christ; if NS had to choose a leader of the Tories she would pick Ross. At least the art dealer could debate, although twitter is saying he was pushed and asked to be allowed to make it look like he quit.
On a purely anecdotal level.
In the run up to the last referendum I knew a lot of silent Unionists (in Dundee mainly).
Most of those are now in the * this * show, next time I’ll vote yes. Actually seems to be driven by Boris and Short Cummings and not necessarily because Tories are in government.
Westminster polling currently would have SNP winning every seat in Scotland bar one
That's BEFORE Johnson throws fishing communities under the bus to get his brexit deal !
latest polling:
SNP are also on course to get a whacking majority at the next Holyrood elections
Has anyone got an overview of the new pro-independence parties that I keep hearing about? I think the zoomer from Bath is involved in one but I understand there are others.
It'll be interesting to see what effect if any the pro independence list parties have on Holyrood polls. I support independence and can see the attraction of voting for a different party on the list rather than SNP both votes Haven't made my mind up though.
All the pro independence list parties will do is reduce green representation IMO
NO manifestos from them yet that I know of and one is supposedly being set up by somone who resigned from the SNP to do so
I think its a stupid idea that plays the electorate for fools and could well be self defeating
I think it could actually be a good thing. One of the things that I frequently hear from No voters is that they don't trust the SNP.
I try to point out that Scotland won't be a one party state after independence but they never see to believe me. Providing they have a genuinely different vision to the SNP for a future independent Scotland I think it could show that indy means more than just what the SNP says it does.
Or it could just be a way of gaming the system that will backfire, like you said.
Aye, it's a huge negative from me to dilute the green vote, especially if that Wings over Scotland nitwit is involved (assume that's who Gordimhor is referring to?)
There is this https://www.isp.scot/
I can't find a website for the Alliance for Independence which is supposed to be an umbrella group for all the other pro indy parties such as the Green Party Solidarity and Rise. I'm not sure which if any of those parties are committed to the Alliance. It's fronted by ex msp Dave Thompson and I'll hopefully be at Zoom meeting with him next Wednesday work permitting. As for the wings party so far as I know he hasn't yet taken any steps to officially set up and register the party for taking part in the election yet.
Oddly enough nobeer- I would very likely vote green, after independence.
Also while there was a lot of great work done on the wings website etc I have long since stopped using it as I cannot abide Stuart Campbells views on a whole range of subjects.
The wings guy has become a complete rocket. A pal of mine suggested I read a piece the other day. It started off with " Sturgeon has moved the party sharply right" which is utter nonsense. After that nothing he writes can have any credence
The wings guy has become a complete rocket. A pal of mine suggested I read a piece the other day. It started off with ” Sturgeon has moved the party sharply right” which is utter nonsense. After that nothing he writes can have any credence
agreed. I get the sense he's unwell. The almost demented stance he took on trans issues removed all credibility from him, and his political views are just bizarre now.
Just had a look at the Wings website for the first time in a long time. He's got a piece up defending the 'I heart J.K Rowling' advert in the train station.
Who would have thought Stu and JK would find something they were both so passionate about in common? I'm sure there's a romantic-comedy script in there somewhere.
I am an SNP member and I do think the party has drifted to the right a bit I don't like it but I can thole it if there is an independence referendum in the offing. I do understand those who say if we persist with the same tactics we should expect the same result. That is no section 30 order,and no referendum. Although the fact that Boris and Dominic seem to have organised removing Jackson Carlaw might be a sign that they're not immovable on this.
AFAIK the ISP is the only one of the new parties to actually register with the Electoral Commission.
Solidarity, Rise etc have had their chance and, in any case, seem to sway in the wind regarding independence according to the likelihood of Labour winning in the UK.
Too many folk disagree with some of the Green Party policies. I'm not sure they've much additional support to garner.
I doubt we'll see a Wings Party. There's no advantage in it now that there is the ISP.
A list-only indy party could work if it stood in selected regions where the SNP list vote is otherwise wasted. It could do with some "names" though. Lesley Riddoch comes to mind.
While I'd not accuse the SNP of moving to the right, there is an authoritarian streak that troubles me. That includes shutting down the debate on routes to independence (including at conference) and the latest Hate Crimes Bill. And if I have to read the "just one more mandate and they'll have to grant a Section 30" thing again I'm going to slap someone.
Wings has disappeared down some horrible dark transphobia hole. He came up with some decent stuff in the last indy campaign like the "Wee Blue Book" but his recent output just sounds like the haverings of a conspiracy nutjob.
I always though Jackson Carlaw was basically "Big Jock" for Chewing the Fat
