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No surprises given how long he's been out for 🙁
It mentioned on the radio yesterday that unless the report comes direct from his management team or his doctors they are unlikely to be accurate. Apparently a lot of misinformation has been coming for so called sources 'close' to the doctors/family etc.
Awful. Hopefully they're wrong.
I know I read this in their paper today. Made my shoulders sag.
Tbh if there was any glimmer of hope Schu's family would be over the moon to release it?
Getting more and more depressing.
Very sad, but if anyone has the drive, determination and fitness to make it through then it's him.
favouredimage has it. anything that's not directly from his medical team might as well be from a bloke down the pub. No news is no news, thats all. Keep fighting Michael.
there are amazing tales of people who had been in a coma and not given any hope of survival,but beat the odds.i wish him all the best in a full recovery.if his fitness is anything to go by he has a great start to get well again.
Either way it's not looking good. Really sad news - truly awful for his family.
Hopefully the trolls will stay away from this Schumacher thread.
It's a very sad situation. He has evidently sustained a very severe brain injury. Knowing a little bit about this kind of thing I'm not expecting a positive outcome i.e. one where he's living independently and communicating as previously. Poor chap.
Happens many times every day in this country, mostly RTAs. Lots of people's lives irrevocably altered in a split second, not just the patients, but friends and family too. There little more catastrophic for an individual than a severe acquired brain injury.
Some people do make great recoveries, and if Schumacher can than that's great and I'll be pleased and amazed, and he will have bucked the statistics. He can presumably afford the best rehabilitation if he gets a greater level of consciousness.
Terribly sad, think its time to let him go
Terribly sad, think its time to let him go
You mean the media and the armchair experts I hope?
Very sad. I think it was three weeks ago that Frenchnoress reported they where trying to bring him round gradually, then I'd heard nothing so was fearing the worst.
People in the know were thinking very early on that it didn't look good for him. Best thing now for him would be to not make any form of recovery 🙁
There but for the grace of God go I.
Having seen my wife sustain and, thank God, ultimately recover from a brain injury I can imagine some, a little tiny bit, of what his family are going through. Horrible for all of them. May it turn out for the best - whatever that may be.
@Funky - well said. Surviving is not, sadly, always the best outcome.
All the millions that he has earned will simply be taken away from him in one single moment. I feel for the guy at the peak of his life.
I wish him speedy recovery.
I was hospitalised with a head injury from a big OTB crash about the same time as him. I have some big face scars, but jeez, it could have been so much worse...
I can also sympathise- my brother had a recent sports related head injury and was hospitalised, unconscious for 2 weeks before he was making any sense...
He was in hospital for a good 3 months, but seems to have made a full recovery, and is now (9 months later), eventually, back at work.
In my experience, on the brain injury ward, seriously makes me realize how lucky I/we were- many guys who were there (mostly in their 20s) had no chance of a full recovery. 🙁
The miracle thing seems likely to be just gossip
It isn't looking good though
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Very sad. I think it was three weeks ago that Frenchnoress reported they where trying to bring him round gradually, then I'd heard nothing so was fearing the worst.
just commented yesterday to the other half that the last I'd heard they were planning to bring him out of the induced coma, then he seems to have dropped completely off the news.
There but for the grace of God go I.
and all of us that take part in risky activities, which is why the story is "close to home".
Recent lack of news being interpreted badly by ex F1 doctor
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/michael-schumacher/10872163/Michael-Schumacher-fans-warned-not-to-expect-good-news.html ]Daily Telegraph: Do not expect good news[/url]
[url= http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/michael-five-months-on/ ]Actual blog post[/url]
Well, he knows what he's on about if anyone does. 🙁
Awe, I was only thinking about him yesterday too.. 😕
Meh. Hartstein was writing him off in Feb, then was effusively optimistic when the "wakefulness and consciousness" news came out, and has now slipped back to pessimism. I've no doubt that the pre accident Schumi has gone but really all we know is that there's no news.
So hartstein has pretty much said 'I know nob all. Here's some charts about something else'.
He's fuelling the pressure on Schumacher's family when they really don't need it. He should just keep shtum until something concrete comes out.
Lack of news can mean anything. however the silence is deafening.
Schumi has always been very protective of his private life. The last update coincided with heightened interest at the start of the f1 season so I wouldn't expect much until the German gp. For all we know he's chatting to his wife and learning to walk again.
Out of hospital and not in a coma. Not much more than that for now.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27868787 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27868787[/url]
Wow 🙂
Though I guess with so little detail, maybe that's assuming the best but fingers crossed it's good news as things certainly didn't sound good according to [url= http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/michael-five-months-on/ ]Gary Hartstein[/url] given the length of the coma.
Doubt we'll get much more,but that'll do me for now.
Yep, hoping for promising news to follow...
Much better news. A prayer for him.
Fantastic news for a Monday morning.
As for Gary Hartstein, I can't help but think he has used it as an opportunity to raise his own profile having been dumped by the FIA!
Yes, I'm sure he has though to be fair, he's been providing some very balanced explanations of the situation which has been very lacking in the mainstream reporting.
FWIW, he's still doing FIA work, just not in F1.
It's good news, but let's hope that 'out of coma' actually means consciousness rather than PVS.
Brilliant news. I've said it up there ^ but it's worth reiterating - Gary Hartstein should keep his beak out.
Edit: just seen that on June 4th he said he wouldn't be writing about him any more
Aye fingers crossed for him
AP has a little more;
[url= http://bigstory.ap.org/article/schumacher-leaves-french-hospital-out-coma ]http://bigstory.ap.org/article/schumacher-leaves-french-hospital-out-coma[/url]
Heard on Radio 4 news too. Good luck to him.
While being out of a coma is good news, I'm still not convinced his condition is good news.
I've been through a brain injury to my mother, including a long coma, and rehab. She never really came back. While the extra 18 months we had with her were great, she was severely brain damaged.
I agree Shred - it doesn't mean he's 'him' any more, just not needing the medical help that a hospital can provide.
@Shred, I we know that is a very possible outcome but it's still positive news.
Channel 4 just reporting;
Michael Schumacher is admitted to the University hospital of Lausanne for further treatment, says spokesman
Gary hartstein - shut up you great big bag of click seeking nobbishness
Upset because he's telling the truth and you're hoping for something better?
Even without reading that, it's quite clear from the press release what they're not saying. They're not saying he's talking, walking or even communicating in any way, or able to feed himself etc. Surely if there was slightly better news they'd say something just to lay to rest the speculation. So far from brilliant news I'm afraid - somebody I know suffered a severe brain injury and left hospital not in a coma, but her quality of life was poor (she never walked or talked again and died very young less than 10 years later), and from what I'm reading I don't think MS is even doing as well as her.
Can I Just do the +1 thing to echo aracers comments above.
It isn't really "brilliant news" it just means they've moved a very sick man from one hospital setting to another ( that just happens to be his home) I'm pretty certain the schmachers can afford the round the clock nursing that he'll need probably for a long time yet.
The likely chances of him making any sort of recovery are getting slimmer all the time
Hartstein started out writing a lot of sensible and informed analysis about the immediate aftermath of the accident. Since the family said they're not going to be doing press updates he's been speculating as much as the likes of Bild. I'm with Pook.
Yes he probably won't ever be the Schumi we used to know, yes he almost certainly will need support for whatever's left of his life, but to claim that his management are somehow writing good news stories is BS. What's their vested interest in portraying his situation as anything other than it really is? None. Sabine is almost certainly releasing that news after it's been filtered by his medical team and probably his lawyers. They're saying the minimum necessary to convey a change in his situation, just as they have done all along. As I've said before Schumi was always one to keep his private life private, so why change that now?
They were just quoting on the news that he was "clinically awake"
If anything says 'effectively unresponsive' it is that.
It's further clear from the fact he didn't leave hospital smiling and waving that he's a long way from the end of this journey.
I'm upset because Schumacher's family have specifically said 'please don't speculate', he's then said he won't, and the minute something has happened he's jumped all over it to say precisely nothing. Regardless of his expertise, he knows nothing of the specifics of Schumacher's condition and he's just making his own conclusions which, because of his credentials, people take as fact.
Nob.
yep just read his blog/clickbait it's more about him than anything else. It shows very little respect.
yep just read his blog/clickbait it's more about him than anything else. It shows very little respect.
^ this, sadly.
Keep Fighting Michael!
They were just quoting on the news that he was "clinically awake"
And where did they get that snippet from? The ONLY reliable news source is his management team. Anything that's not attributed directly to them is just media hype.
So what in that article is speculation? What I read appears to simply be explaining what is being said - most people (including quite a lot on this thread) know nothing at all about brain injuries so don't know what to expect.
And it has to be said, what I read of Hartstein may be speculation, but it's informed speculation, and I think far more helpful than the unspoken implications of the mainstream media, who just about stop short of predicting Schumi'll be racing again next year.
Edit - In fact, I might go so far as to say that Hartstein's is not speculation, it's informed interpretation of the known facts.
From Hartstein's blog.
I cannot help but think that this is a highly cynical use of language, using the truth to convey an impression that is almost certainly false. I cannot but think that if Michael had emerged AT ALL from the minimally conscious state that Sabine so accurately described in April, we’d be told that Michael is leaving for rehab, that he is having problems expressing himself and will work hard to get better. Or that he’s having to learn to walk,read, write, etc all over again. But no, we’re told what we already know, and pretty much told to not ever expect further updates. Kinda like what I was thinking.This all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. And a huge space of sadness for Michael’s family, and for you, his fans.
Is opinion/speculation, and accusing Schumi's management of using selective truths to somehow (and for some reason) pretend to the media that things are better than they are. Yet it's hard to see what they'd gain by doing this - any ideas?
[i]it's hard to see what they'd gain[/i]
It gives the family the privacy they need to grieve for the effective loss of a husband, father, brother etc?
Other people are interested but, tbh, whether we know what condition he's in or not is really neither here nor there for most of us.
wwaswas - surely if they said 'Michael is very sick, needs feeding through a tube and can only blink his eyes' they'd get the same privacy, if not more?
It strikes me that Gary Hartstein makes a valid point but not in a very good way given the insinuation. I can imagine as above that it's what the family want and while it may be manipulation of the media to some extent, I can't see that it'd be for anything other than trying to manage the situation. 'Cynical' seems like a very poor choice of words to me.
Problem as I see it is that there'll be a bounty on the first photo of him now.
Well hes no longer in a coma. Thats good for me 🙂
But that's the point that GH makes - he hasn't been in a coma for a while by all accounts but the medical definition of 'coma' and what non-medical people understand by 'coma' are different. What he's saying is that they're deliberately making the news sound different despite there not actually being a change. Unfortunately he also uses the word' cynical' despite there likely being a more understandable reason.
German media are reporting that given where he's been taken it's really not "brilliant news". The Lausanne university hospital offers similar care facilities to Grenoble but is geographically better placed for the family. It indicates no change in his condition compared with the last statement. If he'd improved he'd have gone to a specialist private clinic.
I think that's what most of us (those who understand the way these things work) were assuming anyway from the given statement, and as I wrote above, what it doesn't say.
TBH the number of people on this thread taking "not in a coma" as good news justifies GH's explanation that it isn't.
From the Beeb today- a line:
He will have a team of specialists, and his own private accommodation
Difficult not to try and read something into such limited info but it seems hes having longterm palliative care and will be there for the foreseable future?
From the release it doesn't say 'interacting' or 'smiling' or eye blink/contact'. I know his family are private etc but the addition of JUST one word wouldn't hurt into the statement/release would it?
From the release it doesn't give hope- hes basically alive but thats it.
It's taken 20 hours or so, but I think you're up to speed.
****ing bonkers, almost twenty years of crazy speeds + flying/travelling all round the world etc etc and hes crocked because of a ski-ing accident. No 'private helicopter licence/flying low near trees' or 'private licence landing in freezing fog'.
Crackers fate isn't it.
Mrs Bol works in Neuro Rehab, where they see a lot of people with serious head injuries. Some make a pretty good recovery, some really don't. The advances in emergency medicine in the last few years means that they see a lot of people who wouldn't have survived until recently. At some point there's going to have to be a debate about whether people should be saved as a matter of course, when the likely outcome is that they're going to have very low awareness, or worse full awareness but unable to move or communicate. Goodness knows how horrible it must feel for families of people who sustain this sort of injury, and I have every sympathy for the Schumachers. As others have said, if there was going to be any positive news, we would have had it by now.
I wonder at what point will a pap' actually get in/get a pic or someone with inside knowledge release more info?
Its only a matter of time and part of me feels bad for welcoming some sort of intrusion. Bad I know 🙁
One of Louis Theroux's recent specials looked at end of life care for terminally ill people in LA, it was incredibly sad but one of the subjects in that was a young man who'd suffered a head injury and was in a long-term coma (I think) - they were that close > < to pulling support because there was essentially no hope of any form of recovery, Louis even did the obligatory interview with his tearful sister saying they can't pull support, I KNOW he'll pull through, I KNOW he will. And would you adam and eve it, even as they were facing this horrendous decision, he started showing minimal signs, support was continued, and he made a more or less complete recovery, he was up and about and seemingly none the worse by the end of the program.
All of which is to say, I absolutely defer to Dr Hartstein's years of training and experience - but sometimes miracles do seem to happen.
sometimes miracles do seem to happen
It's true, the body is an amazing thing and someone as fit and mentally sharp as Schumacher is well placed to make as full a recovery as possible given his situation. It's said that you can beat Alzheimer's by keeping your brain active as it keeps the neurons firing. Nerve cells regenerate and can grow between 2 & 5mm per DAY. It will be a slow process but i think it's too early to write him off just yet. His family will be dealing with an immediate change/loss and the last thing they want is the media saying he's on his way to recovery when nobody really knows what the outcome will be. It's the kind of thing you take one day at a time.
Poor bugger...but then I have to feel for his family too. His wife, brother and kids really don't need newspaper headlines reminding them about his state of health. They're right to guard privacy right now.
I just hope that he gets to enjoy some quality of life.
Discounting todays Mirror, heres some info from his transfer:
That'll be the speculation his family were so desperate to avoid, then.
Speculation or firsthand ambulance/other staff observation?
Swiss doctors where he is staying are saying that he is awake and conscious for period of times but gets tired very quickly .
Olivier Panis has also said that he hasnt lost use of his limbs .
Speculation or firsthand ambulance/other staff observation?
Given that all updates at the request of the family come through their PR lady, and that we don't know who made the observations, I'll file it under speculation, ta.
Latest news is that someone seems to have stolen his medical notes from Grenoble. Probably for sale to the highest bidder now, but what would be the reaction if someone published them?
I'd hope Mr Schumacher's top lawyers would sue their assess off. He should be left in peace.
Michael Schumacher's wife, Corinna, has given a positive update on her husband's condition following his move to a rehabilitation clinic.Speaking publicly for the first time since the Formula One legend came out of his coma following his skiing accident in December 2013, Mrs Schumacher revealed that he is improving all the time.
"It's getting better, slowly certainly, but in any case it's improving," she told German women's weekly magazine Neue Post.
The seven-time World Champion was seriously injured when his head hit a rock while skiing in the French Alpine resort of Meribel and he spent six months in the Grenoble university hospital before being transferred to Lausanne in June.
Meanwhile Bild newspaper has reported that Schumacher is responding to his wife's voice.
"The voice of Corinna has a much stronger effect on him than the voices of other people," the tabloid wrote.
His family has kept updates about his conditions to a minimum with his manager Sabine Kehm saying "for the future we ask for understanding that his further rehabilitation will take place away from the public eye".
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/9378962/Schumi-s-wife-It-s-getting-better
The speed of recovery re brain injuries can be remarkable.
Worked with a bloke who had severe frontal lobe damage after being punched in a nightclub and falling onto a hard floor.
9 months in a coma, severe personality change, loss of verbal and written comprehension, memory loss etc.
But still a very intelligent bloke - excellent chess player, for example.
His biggest issues in readapting to everyday life were the physical ones:
Severe muscle atrophy after 9 months in a coma resulting in several ops to enable him just to begin learning how to walk and move again.
Many people can adapt remarkably well to living with severe brain injuries.
Fingers crossed that will be the case.