[Closed] Sample of the 30,000 that are going to get Royal Mail out of the hole t........

What's the matter with them ? Black, smoking, funny looking ?

Or, you could look at the many other people who are less likely to cause a photo-scaremonger like that. The sort of people who just want to work and earn a few bob. Good luck to them.

Can they really be any worse than the workshy, lazy, rude idiots who occasionally deign to deliver my post? Not too sure.

"Good lord. We don't want any of those dark chaps sifting our mail. Pip pip!"

Nice choice of picture by the Daily Heil, there. Of course, they fail to mention (other than "usually students") that many of the people (myself included) who go for these seasonal Royal Mail jobs (the Heil forgot to mention that, too) are just like "us": normal, decent people who just want some work. And the work is usually the stuff they (the RM) have a job getting people to do i.e. nights, weekends etc, etc. But again the Heil fail to mention that!

How are they any different to the strikers other than they are not permanent employees?

Union busting Mandelson and his Royal Mail cronies.

So Maggie will be off the hook now someone from Labour has taken her mantle.

its disgusting.
I dont see a good end to this, but fear this will be remembered long after the current government have been waved goodbye.

I hope the union find a way to make the law work to their advantage regarding the supply of temps to break a strike.

The demise of the RM is a sad day for this country

Excellant keep it coming boys 😉

Excellent...

Had a phone call yesterday asking when I could start, all ready selected for Christmas temp duties. The chap at the other end was slightly surprised that I was nly available from 16 November. Scabbing isn't for me, thanks.
(Despite being unemployed, solidarity is all).

OP, no offence mate. Did you post this thread as a troll?

As the Cree [url= http://www.quotes.net/quote/16519 ]foretold[/url]:

[i]"Only when the last state asset has been sold; Only when the last public service has been dismantled; Only then will you find that Mandy cannot be beaten."[/i]

I'll be working friday,sorry Rich.

Its interesting how keen RM are to recruit, when theres some strikebreaking/ unionbusting to be done, yet, when their precious Pegasus computer programme shows that hours should be going in to offices they dont want to know.
Much of this is, I suspect, merely a PR stunt, none of its new recruits will be expected to be very productive, and probably none of them will end up delivering your mail. One of the first areas to see cuts was the departments that are responsible for training postpeople- Long term vision, Eh?

I think the thing is postierich, people really just want to look out for number one. This is only going to come across worse on a forum where to many you are just a name.

I like many just want my post delivered the therefore you are bad.

I like many just want a job, if I go to get a job as a temp postman and delivery this lots post I'm viewed as good.

People often don't look at things from another person point of view.

that links to the Daily Mail = zero credibility

Mate is a postie. He said the last time they got temporary workers in during a strike that the fraud department in the PO was so overwelmed with missing parcels they had to call in the police to investigate the sheer level of thefts.

Jan Moir is delivering the Post around Canal Street in Manchester next week,with a Police guard.

take your point tails, but i also want the ability to send a personal letter of only sentimental importance, to my grandma who lives out in the sticks. I dont want to pay DHL prices for the service.
I dont want to hear about the slight lack of profit in some specific areas of the business.
i think that a basic level of service should be forced.

[i]roddersrambler - Member
I'll be working friday,sorry Rich.[/i]

Reap what you sow. 🙄

he's got his own elastic bands!! 😯

i like the PO, i like my postie. it's a great service i don't want to see lost. see the postal service reduced to the lower common denominator - 5hitty link. no thanks.
up the workers.

A point that is often missed is the Universal Service Obligation that RM is under. This has a number of stipulations around the service that RM must observe. This covers delivery to all UK addresses for the price of a 1st class stamp. It also covers having and mainting postboxes with 1.5 miles of every uk address.

The competition that the goverment has allowed doesn't play by the same rules so they can cherry pick leaving the expensive deliveries to RM. Also RM has to deliver anyones post. So any company can collect mail charge any price it wants then gets RM to deliver it for a standard price. Most people don't even realise the RM has delivered this mail.

Competition must be on an even footing - it this that's killing RM.

At least that lad picks up his elastic bands.

My (admittedly small) parcel contracts have all gone to HDN recently. 1/3 of the price, and I can rely on them getting to their destination.

Reap what you sow

Well most of these problems are local.We have had a revision and taken in phase 3/4 and everything runs fine.
Most of the large offices in the big cities are still complaining about phases 1 and 2 ! This was expected in exchange for the last pay deal.Is it any wonder idiots like Mandy are saying savings can be made.If anyone on here went into a mail centre and watched the level of work done by a large proportion of workers in process they would p*ss themselves.They are the reason why so much pressure is put on delivery staff to make savings that are not there.Delivery staff more than earn their money,process are nothing short of a bunch of lazy union controled jokers.

nothing to see here

The main point of the strike (that Royal Mail cleverly provoked) is to discredit the CWU so that the company can de-unionise.
With the union out of the way, RM can start to rapidly downscale both its workforce and public service commitment.

It's the same with all big organisations,top managers make generalised cuts across the board.These cuts can easily be made in some areas but impossible in others.A bit like the NHS,nurses rushed off there feet whilst middle managers and others doing bugger all.

[i]A bit like the NHS[/i]

Indeed - NuLab are the corporate cherrypicker's best friend. And there's plenty who want in on service provision, without being so fussed about what [i]service[/i] actually entails. 👿

So whats the strike about,whats phase 1 2 3 4 etc,

some of the comments on that link are pure daily mail gold

The RM provide a service no one else does. Is tied to deliver nationwide etc. while the competition doesn't have to. Is ideally placed with post offices throughout the country to "hold" parcels you can collect when convenient rather than travelling to the "Midlands" depot which is actually 80 miles away for so many couriers. IMO they have tha basis of a business model that could work really well

So why are the unions f***ing up by losing the PR battle? "Let's strike over modernisation". To me it looks like the RM will just lose business to couriers etc. and also the goodwill of the public. I'm in a union but I think they are years behind the times when it comes to actually being effective. In my company they've been less than useless helping with outsourcing and changing terms and conditions for those not outsourced.

Del - Member

i like the PO, i like my postie. it's a great service i don't want to see lost. see the postal service reduced to the lower common denominator - 5hitty link. no thanks.
up the workers.

You and me both Del.

Now I have never been a member of a union & don't always agree with lots of the stuff they do, but our post girl Suzanne is fantastic.

She patiently waits for my wife who has MS to answer the door if needed, has a good laugh with me if a parcel is not from CRC/Wiggle.
She even puts the recycling boxes away for some of the old dears on our road.

The local sorting office is always helpful & polite.

I did once meet a post office personnel manager at a NEBOSH training course who quite frankly I wouldn't trust to sit the right way round on a toilet.

rodderz you have not taken on phase 4 yet trust me no one has its coming in January.
You might have had a 3.5 pegasus revision 5 hrs is where its @ now baby!!!!
Banking of hours
D2d included in to the workload
Longer and Shorter longs and shorts!!!!!!
Monthly pay
Still coming in? and there is the pension issue
I would rather stand up a fight then roll over and be butt ****ed
Which area are you based?

Wish all the posties on here the best of luck with it. Fight the good fight and all.

Regardless of who's at fault, RM will be royally butt ****ed if it goes on much longer. They will lose what's left of the profitable deliveries from large companies, whilst still being forced to deliver to every address for 40p or whatever it is these days.

Then RM will go bust.

Then pretty much everyone who doesn't live in a major city will be butt ****ed.

Best bite down hard then....

Still coming in?

It's interesting to note that some people have a choice on whether or not they abide by a democratic decision.

IIRC three quarters voted for industrial action - so that means that a quarter can just simply ignore the decision........no need to worry about democracy then.

However, if three quarters had voted [i]against[/i] industrial action, then every single person would have been expected to abide by that decision ...........well it's democracy, innit ?

There's nothing quite like breath-taking hypocrisy ......... is there ?

they don't look any worse than the posties i see getting pissed in the packington arms behind Mt pleasant sorting office before going on shift or the ones smoking weed in their cars in the streets nearby.
if anything they look better.
the posties round here are lazy. for some reason i have 7 (yes i counted them all) red rubber bands left on my doorstep plus i witnessed one of the PO's finest ramming an a4 'do not bend' card backed envelope under my neighbors door, giving it a final kick finally got it past the threshold.
no doubt it's the managements fault.

Current unemployment 2.5 million!

I'm sure there are people out there who would bite the PO's arm off for a postie's job at the moment.

Good luck Rich. Pains me to think of the RM going this way. PO is an asset & I fear its demise wont be felt till its too late.

i witnessed one of the PO's finest ramming an a4 'do not bend' card backed envelope under my neighbors door, giving it a final kick finally got it past the threshold.

And I witnessed a postie help a blind man cross the road, give 50p to a rough-sleeper, bring in the weelie bin for the old lady at number 28, before knocking off and going on a charity bike ride to raise money for disadvantaged kids.

But don't worry MrSmith, your curtain-twitching days won't be over when Royal Mail is privatised. I'm sure you will see plenty of cases of postmen kicking mail through letterboxes when TNT is delivering.

I looked at the pictures in that article, and if they're representative of the temp workers RM are getting in, then you've got a very good point, postierich. There's no way I want Mandy delivering my post.

I'm with postierich on this one - just think how many moans there will be on here when CRC/Merlin and all other online retaillers have to use the privatised companies that can only operate profitably by delivering and collecting once a week etc - never had anything but fantastic service from RM, long may it continue

The competition that the goverment has allowed doesn't play by the same rules so they can cherry pick leaving the expensive deliveries to RM. Also RM has to deliver anyones post. So any company can collect mail charge any price it wants then gets RM to deliver it for a standard price. Most people don't even realise the RM has delivered this mail.

Competition must be on an even footing - it this that's killing RM.

Would this be the same uneven footing that means that TNT/DHL have to charge VAT for their services whereas the RM dont? Or the same uneven footing that means were TNT or DHL wanting to offer a last mile delivery service, theyd have to pay a stinging penalty to RM under the exclusivity clauses in their existing last mile contract?

I dont think we're going to see any legal action around the hiring of temps, certainly not while the RM can rely on seasonal workload and the existence of backlogs in their defence or while Mandy's the Business Sec.

and peoples atitudes towards striking Posties

I think anyone who strikes, for whatever reason, is a bloody idiot. It never, ever solves anything. Go right ahead, shoot yourselves in the foot.