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I may just be hanging around in the wrong circles but I’ve never met a woman who found him funny/attractive
I had the "fortune" to get tickets to see him some years ago.
A sizeable portion of the audience were definitely ladies who found him funny and attractive.
(An amount of self selection going on, I would assume.)
biggest problem is the cult of celebrity.
Auto-correct again?
Pretty sure that wasn’t supposed to read celibacy
Nah 🙂
I think its got to be appealing, the cult of Tate's Incels is probably more appealing 🙁
@franksinatra That's an awful thing to say to me. You've chosen to take my comment in the worst way imaginable and reached a pretty unpleasant conclusion.
What a shit of a place the world is when you've been on a site for over ten years, met plenty of people in person, and clearly nothing more than someone that makes stupid jokes and very, very occasionally wades into a serious topic and you can then be accused of:
I have nothing to be ashamed of. Sounds like you do though, so perhaps the issue isn’t the idea of reporting but, instead, your conduct towards women.
Bear, you were the one who said:
I hope nobody runs a programme about those of us not in the spotlight and what we’ve done or said to get laid in the past.
How else are we meant to interpret that? Maybe it’s just clumsy wording on your part but it doesn’t read well at all.
Yeah but you've taken it one step beyond, Frank. You've added the notion of shame yourself them shamed him for his conduct towards women that you have no idea about.
Are you absolutely sure you'd like everything you've done or said to get laid all over the media. I certainly wouldn't and I'm in the romantic seduction camp rather than getting heavy or creepy or rapey. In fact I soon learned that letting myself be seduced was more successful than trying to seduce - and still I wouldn't want the details all over the press. You may have noted I'm quite discreet about my past and present relationships on this forum.
get laid all over the media
And we're back to Russell Brand.
I hope nobody runs a programme about those of us not in the spotlight and what we’ve done or said to get laid in the past.
I'm dreading the day 2-3 girls go to a newspaper and complain that I wasn't really a dolphin trainer
How else are we meant to interpret that? Maybe it’s just clumsy wording on your part but it doesn’t read well at all.
The other way you could interpret it is that I’m not an unpleasant person that you’ve accused me of and at the worst it was clumsy wording. But you didn’t do that did you?
Also enjoyed the comment basically suggesting someone on here was a rapist enabler. Quality discussion! Also be sure to come at us with more stupid-people and hard-of-thinking comments please!
You may have noted I’m quite discreet about my past and present relationships on this forum.
Did...anyone ask?
I'm interested in finding out how I can go about becoming a dolphin trainer like Boardinbob.
Anyone surprised by this? I always assumed he was a serial sex pest because of his unutterably vile attitude to women
Did…anyone ask?
You're not normally into dumb questions so I'll answer assuming it's a genuine question. That's the point I thought Bear is making. Stars suffer a level of scrutiny and intrusion most of us don't and I'm happy to be in the anonymous majority free to have the kind of sex life me and my partners past and present want without it being all over the papers.
There are many realationship/divorce threads on this forum which indicate that protagonists had pretty catastropic relationships/separations - would those people feel comfortable with that all over the media? I doubt it. Some have made it clear that their partners have lied for advantage in financial matters and child acces. Add the media, star status and higher stakes, and what would those have become - Heard-Depp or some other media driven fiasco.
In how many relationships are both parites in absolute agreement about the type of sex they want? BDSM has had a lot of airing with frankly daft media representations such as shades of grey or more realistically on your amateur site of choice. But even if they're into BDSM most people are exhibitionist to the point of wanting it all over the media. Some people like rough sex, both men and women, and most of it is legal.
Brand set himself up as a bad boy. Women knew they were they were going with a bad boy and as one poster on this thread pointed out at least one willingly. Given the numbers of women Brand claims to have had relationships with and the relatively small number of complaints I suggest that the vast majoirity got what they expected/consented too. What were seeing are the dissatisified customers, those that didn't get what they bargained for and/or agreed to, and at least one too young to have really made those decisions for herself even if legal.
So I'd like to see the legal process follow its course and find the level of gloating both on this thread and in the media getting distasteful. And Frank's attitude to Bear equaly distasteful. Concensual or non-concensual that is the question. Because even if I find Brand's attitude to women distaeful some women don't and who am I to deprive them of him because I think he's an arse.
I’m interested in finding out how I can go about becoming a dolphin trainer like Boardinbob.
Dolphins? The Russell Brand of the sea apparently.
https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/sep/19/dolphin-sex-scandal-hooked-on-freddie
Because even if I find Brand’s attitude to women distaeful some women don’t and who am I to deprive them of him because I think he’s an arse.
Well yes, consenting adults can do what they like, but that isn’t what the Russell Brand story is about.
Sadly our media feel its the most important issue in world news at the moment, which is a shame, as lots of more important stuff has got buried.
I suggest that the vast majoirity got what they expected/consented too. What were seeing are the dissatisified customers, those that didn’t get what they bargained for and/or agreed to, and at least one too young to have really made those decisions for herself even if legal.
I am sure you do not mean it but that sounds a lot like downplaying the abuse these women suffered and its the classic rape defense - regrets afterwards is the cry
"aren't" not "are" in one of the line in my previous post.
I note that the number of likes on Frank's post at the top of the page is up to 7. I'm beginning to detest the anonymous likes which are only available to the "paying elite" on this site and find the use often made of them as anonymous hate dispicable. If you want to be an arse at least have the courage of your convictions and type your hate for all to see.
I agree with most of that (Edukator) but,
I suggest that the vast majoirity got what they expected/consented too. What were seeing are the dissatisified customers
This may be true, but it's hardly a defence. Like a murderer arguing, "yeah, but look at how many people I didn't kill!"
Besides, what we are seeing are the "dissatisfied customers" who have come forward so far. Reporting of rape cases is poor under normal circumstances and being a well-known celeb, Brand is an exceptional case for reasons as discussed: who'd believe them; threats of libel/slander action; hush money; etc etc. We heard this all before with Savile.
Brand set himself up as a bad boy. Women knew they were they were going with a bad boy and as one poster on this thread pointed out at least one willingly. Given the numbers of women Brand claims to have had relationships with and the relatively small number of complaints I suggest that the vast majoirity got what they expected/consented too. What were seeing are the dissatisified customers, those that didn’t get what they bargained for and/or agreed to, and at least one too young to have really made those decisions for herself even if legal.
Dissatisfied customers? did you mean to post this on a Giant warranty thread.
Saville's purported (but never found) victims were nearly all special needs children, vunerable victims, from what I remember, a better comparison would be DLT. At least 12 attempts at conviction in 2012-14 for sexual assault (groping) with one majority guilty verdict.
Edit: if your Giant frame breaks there's no stigma attatched to reporting it and you have some pretty good evidence, a broken frame. However if I tried to warranty a Giant frame I cracked in the 90s (I didn't it's still fine) today it might be harder to prove I didn't break it deliberately to try to get a new frame - another poor comparison. A smiley if you're joking helps. 🙂
Up to 8 anonymous hate likes on Franks post now. 🙁 Proper ganging up school playground stuff but anonymous.
I’m beginning to detest the anonymous likes which are only available to the “paying elite” on this site and find the use often made of them as anonymous hate dispicable.
I agree they shouldn’t be anonymous, but msybe you need a day or two away from the forum just to calm down a bit. This isn’t like you.
Edit: if your Giant frame breaks there’s no stigma attatched to reporting it and you have some pretty good evidence, a broken frame. However if I tried to warranty a Giant frame I cracked in the 90s (I didn’t it’s still fine) today it might be harder to prove I didn’t break it deliberately to try to get a new frame – another poor comparison. A smiley if you’re joking helps. 🙂
The only one making poor comparisons is you. You are smart enough to know exactly how your dissatisfied customer comment would be interpreted.
but msybe you need a day or two away from the forum just to calm down a bit. This isn’t like you.
You're probably right. I've reported what I see as abuse of the likes on Franks post to the mods and I'll see what they say. I feel sorry for Bearnecessities who I think is a victim of anonymous bullies abusing the likes system.
But you're probably right so I'll step away. Have a good day folks, and remember that STW members have feelings too.
The comparison with Saville is not what he did but who knew about what he did and what they did about it.
Brands victims may have been a bit more complicit than Saville's but that doesn't mean they were 100% at fault does it. The fact that many people are pretty much victim blaming on this threads just demonstrates that we haven't progressed as much as we should have over the last 50 years or so.
What were seeing are the dissatisified customers, those that didn’t get what they bargained for and/or agreed to, and at least one too young to have really made those decisions for herself even if legal.
Edukator, you really need to take a step back from the internet if you are prepared to post that sort of shit.
Concensual or non-concensual that is the question.
So I’d like to see the legal process follow its course
That is the crux of what I've got to say, concentrate on that.
And what is wrong with that statement, Dickboy? It's in no way either victim blaming or approving Brands's actions. On the contrary it's making a moral judgement I perhaps shouldn't be making about a 31 year old dating a 16 year old. I disapprove even though it's legal. Perhaps you should be aiming at her mother rather than me.
"Hi, I'm a dolphin trainer - are you interested in free willy"
Surely that's OK ?
Up to 8 anonymous hate likes on Franks post now.
To be fair, whilst Frank may have put 2+2 together and got 69, Bear's post was poorly worded at best. It read to me like he'd said/done things in order to have sex that others may disapprove of. Seemingly that's not what he meant.
I suppose it's a grey area to a point. One could argue that I used a form of coercion in order to bed my now-girlfriend: I bought her drinks, dinner, flowers, paid her compliments... What today might perhaps be seen as harassment was once known as 'wooing' (how many romantic songs are actually a bit creepy and stalkery to modern ears? There was a thread about this). It would be difficult to find a partner without some form of interaction, unless you're relying on the direction of a swipe.
Concensual or non-concensual that is the question
But not the only one these days. Taking advantage of a powerful position to prey on those with no power is also considered bad. Although that wasn't always the case.
We do not have to await the outcome of criminal proceedings that may never happen to form a view of Brand's character based on the information available to us.
BoardinBob
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I hope nobody runs a programme about those of us not in the spotlight and what we’ve done or said to get laid in the past.I’m dreading the day 2-3 girls go to a newspaper and complain that I wasn’t really a dolphin trainer
Are you Bud or Sandy - because Flipper is missing you…?
And what is wrong with that statement, Dickboy? It’s in no way either victim blaming or approving Brands’s actions.
You think that calling people claiming to be victims of sexual abuse "dissatisfied customers" is acceptable?
I always thought it was a shame that there was felt a need for a women's specific forum, then I read some of the comments on here...
Up to 8 anonymous hate likes
U-wot? What magical property of the "like" function gives you the insight to know that that's the case, and also, what in the world is a "hate-like"?
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which are only available to the “paying elite”
Ah right, scratch that, all becomes clear
We'll never know how many 'females' were coerced, which could easily happen if one is naive, not streetwise or just plain - "ooh a well known man wants to sleep (I'm being polite now) with me", all of which could end in consequences where the 'act' of being with someone like Brand was a dreadful experience, much regretted and never talked about.
Sean Lock got the measure of Brand, I wonder how many other men in the entertainment world also knew.
U-wot? What magical property of the “like” function gives you the insight to know that that’s the case, and also, what in the world is a “hate-like”?
Was going to ask the same, as a 'paying elite', i didn't even know about the like function, and just found it there, still can't find the hate-like button though?!
Saville’s purported (but never found) victims
This is simply untrue.
I will charitably assume you are misinformed rather than engaging in some kind of Sandy Hook Crisis Actors conspiracy theory.
One could argue that I used a form of coercion in order to bed my now-girlfriend: I bought her drinks, dinner, flowers, paid her compliments…
One really couldn't argue that. I think you're demeaning and/or misunderstanding the whole sexual harrassment/misuse of power/abuse culture by saying that type of "seduction" is on the same level tbh.
If you" like" a post expressing "hate" for another member I call it a "hate like".
On Facebook you have a choice of like symbols and if you hover over them you see who has liked. Here hate likes are anonymous. And used to bully.
Ah, well if it cheers you up i put likes on a couple of posts to try and work out if there was more than one option, not sure which posts but they got likes now 🤣
I’m beginning to detest the anonymous likes which are only available to the “paying elite” on this site and find the use often made of them as anonymous hate dispicable.
Paying Elite?, I see it more as a function that paying membership ensures the forum/website that I have used for more than 20 years will continue to exist.
(I would be perfectly happy to pay for a digital subscription but for some reason I am not aware off I was gifted a lifetime subscription years ago)
One could argue that I used a form of coercion in order to bed my now-girlfriend: I bought her drinks, dinner, flowers, paid her compliments…
I think the vital difference is that if after all of that; the woman in question, says "You know what? I'm just not feeling it, sorry", and you say "cool, no worries, it was lovely meeting you". you're probs normally functioning. If on the other hand, the very next thing out of your mouth is some variation of "But I've gone to all this trouble" then you might want to check your privilege (as the young folks say)