Well my longer runs aren't that long, only an hour or so, so I don't bother with the faff. I do afterwards though. I might take a gel or something if I were out for two hours, same as if I were riding I guess.
You might find eating more allows you to run faster, you might find it makes you fat 🙂
Well my longer runs aren't that long, only an hour or so, so I don't bother with the faff. I do afterwards though.
I wouldn't have thought you'd need anything on/for a 45 min run, live and learn.
Just following the guidelines set by a coach I know, don!
How much have you modified his guidelines?
On a serious note... are you still doing the Nevis Tri? If your coach hasn't told you to do A LOT of open water swim practice... find a new coach.
Just following the guidelines set by a coach I know, don!
I'm genuinely surprised as I'd have thought that there would have been enough fuel held in the body negating the need for topping up when exercising for such a short time.
This is the longest running thread ever, bum tish!
Please feel free to NOT read all this.
Ive been on the bob g trail this weekend Our atemptee did an outstanding 20.56 and looked strong all the way round. I did leg 2 from 3,45am after a 90min drive, we ran into Dunmail near Thirlmere around 7.30am i guess after i lost my head torch, a hope r4 no less 🙁 it had bounce out as the zips had come undone, it could be anywhere up there. so i back tracked a bit looking for it before giving up and chasing the others, i missed the tops of Dollywagon and nethermost but not by much and they were halfway up Fairfield before i caught them so i had a rest here, I had managed to fall a couple of times too in the chase, not a good feeling in the early hours up there all on your own. It focused the mind a bit! Wasnt long before they were back and we ran over the top of Seat Sandal then a fast descent saw us arrive around 30min up on 22 hour schedule.
I had consisered doing 3 as well, before i realised i had changed tsirts and the rucksack was back on- It was glorious and ive never seen a view from Scafell pike so that thought pulled me on.
After topping a couple of summits i hung back with my mate [he had done 1,2 and 3 on no sleep and a full day work on friday] and let the new supporters head off as my pal was struggling. So we didnt run much and straight lined a bit missing the pikes. We were ahead by Rossett pike. We then ran together to sca fell where i descended via lingmell as ive not done lords rake and didnt want to try it on someone elses round. all in a top day out, 20 ish summits 30 ish miles and around 10k plus feet. You can imagine how my legs are... perfect weekend. I love the lakes!!
If anyone touches my thighs let alone tries to massage them, god help them! 😀
[url= http://connect.garmin.com/activity/202397007 ]leg 2 garmin. I didnt start leg 3grr[/url]
I'm genuinely surprised as I'd have thought that there would have been enough fuel held in the body negating the need for topping up when exercising for such a short time.
There is, yes, but the idea behind post-exercise carb is to speed recovery. And I think it controls increased appetite that you can get from really hard efforts, although personally my legs aren't good enough to carry me for long enough to get that like I do from biking.
Again I'm genuinely surprised as I find that I'm less hungry after exercise, it's not training as I have no objective, but it is always hard. I believe that the only way to train is by pusing the envelope. The only thing it means for me is that I aim to finish just before lunch or dinner and only use bananas and water as [s]training[/s] fuel.
Maybe I should look into it a bit deeper.
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Sun rise somewhere around Lower man, awesome!
I ate some flapjack on one my early 20 mile runs (I didn't know what else to do, and I thought i might get hungry)
I spent the last 5 miles just wanting a poo really badly 😳
EDIT: nosey, am I reading that right? have you been night running round the lake district?? Is that what a round is?
I'd go easy on this running malarkey nosemineb, one of your testicles appears to have caught fire. 😥
Awesome stuff, nosemineb.
Cheers guys. Its not bad for a phone pic is it? [url= http://s1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb451/nosemi/run/ ]more bgr snaps here[/url]
yeah the bob is 42 peaks in a certain order starting at the Moothall in Keswick, you have to touch each summit in 24 hours to be allowed in to the club. The record is sub 14 hours but most people who atempt struggle to get to keswick at all, let alone finish in under 24 hours. So for most 5 or 6 hours are in darkness. My pal set off at 12 midnight so Skiddaw, Cloughhead and Blencathra were in complete darkness. We were an hour in to clough head so nearly at the summit before we switched the lights off.
Its very special. We saw a great cloud inversion and the tops were so clear. Daydreams...... ahhh
How are you navigating? ....as that would be my downfall I think. The Garmin trail would have me running round in circles in the dark.
I'd go easy on this running malarkey nosemineb, one of your testicles appears to have caught fire.
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Did 54min in the end, so didn't need to take water or anything. Nice run, if a little warm, and have definitely earned the beer I'm having now.
Lots of recces and messing with garmin trail as back up. To be honest ive got the 310 and its pretty amazing! We once stood in clag at 2am on Helvellyn all looking for the summit trig. we were 3 metres away from it!
I think the key is getting the right people with you as well, for instance 5 of those i ran with at the weekend I would call friends all that I met helping on their or our attempts. I know when I go again who I will be ringing for help. There are certain parts such as Bowfell where the first time we went we choose a bad route, brown pants moment but the last route was a joy! You get so used to it you just know where your going, the watch is a back up but a great one.
I normally have a gel every 50 minutes or so when racing and find that they do help, and I believe it is more than just psychology.
Again I'm genuinely surprised as I find that I'm less hungry after exercise
I am too for a while, but a drink with some carbs tends to slip down nicely. If I get in late and have a recovery drink I end up not wanting any dinner at all.
Not saying you need it, of course, but it can be handy if you want to train 6 days a week for example.
Again I'm genuinely surprised as I find that I'm less hungry after exercise
Really? Unless it's been a hot one, I am ready to hit McDonalds afterwards.
a male body can store 400-500g of carbs only, after you have hit maybe the longer distances 2 hours then you need to start refuelling the carbs that your body has been burning. so for a half ironman distnace you need 30-60g an hour but for a full ironman you need 50-80g. Be careful you don't over do it though do don't mix a carb drink (ie 4:1 High 5 energy drink) with energy gels, it will just result in a bad stomach. Use gels with water or energy drink on it's own.
for the half on the weekend I used 3 gels, a small one at 8 miles, a larger one at 10 miles and these definately helped. I used another one at 12 miles buti think that was clearly my psychologically feeling it would help but hey who knows!
mates laughed at me as about 40 mins before start I had a slice of malt loaf with butter, do it for tri's and it works treat no issues running either so bonus!
As already mentioned after hard long exercise I also get issues with lack of hunger despite my stomach needing food. So after the half I didn't eat anything until about 1500 hours then when the food hits my stomach it gives me horrific stomach cramps! something I'm slowly learning to deal with but find it hard, basically when finishing I need to force small bits of food down so stomach doesn't shut down.
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I had a nice mini Forest Gump moment yesterday.
I went out to do my typical 9 mile Sunday run, then felt ok early on so changed it to a 12 miles, got within a mile of home, then decide I still felt fine so added on another loop and ended up doing just over 20 miles
LOL!!! 😆
I had some new trainers properly fitted a month ago. My feet roll outwards when I run.
Ever since running in them my inner lower calves have been destroyed!
Is it me getting used to the new support or are they damaging me?
My legs are really sore along the bone up the inner part on both legs.
I'm meant to be in the tissington 1/2 marathon in oct and London marathon next year
Bilateral compartment decompression done yesterday. Doesn't feel too bad, bit sore but OK. Could be the painkillers though 😀
Should be cycling in 3 weeks, and fingers crossed will be able to start running then too.
Is it me getting used to the new support or are they damaging me?
I had some trainers selected for me by a running shop when I started doing it regularly. I apparently needed loads of support on the inside. When I went out in them they made my instep hurt like hell.
I think the shop was wrong. I went to a different shop and got far better shoes with far less support.
Col Wax - good luck.
jonjones, sounds like you have the start of shinsplint symptoms prob caused by tight calves. As to the cause of the calves, are you doing more miles now or running more on your toes in the new shoes?
Who fitted you?
I would try stretching your calves and massaging them and find some exercises to strengthen and stretch the shin muscles before it gets worse. Get booked in to a physio perhaps if you know a good one?
Colonel wax, hope you get back at it as soon as possible.
I rode in today, may try and run in the morning but i am still pretty sore in the quads.
Q, If you do a really hard session where you get bad DOMS afterwards is the [forced] rest comparable to normal rest for recovery purposes?
I was going to schedule an easy week in next week, after 4 weeks of intensity but this week ive not done much because I could barely walk. So I am thinking i may just have another easy day or 2 then get back to it next week. Your thoughts please.
When I get bad DOMS I get on the bike for a couple of days for some steady riding. When we did a big fell run in the lakes (4 hrs) we were off for 2 days, but then after that I was running big hills every other day with no DOMS at all.
Interestingly, I've had a big 5 days including, 10 miles at race pace, 20 miles progression run and 8X800 at 6 min/mi pace. I struggled with the last few intervals last night and couldn't have run anything other than recovery today. So I cycled to work and managed to do my commute in the fastest ever time even though I have barely cycled for the last 6 weeks, at no point was I really pushing it either.
So, my conclusion is that I can exercise other muscles hard when the ones used running are fatigued? Does that make sense to anyone else?
Picked it up with 47 miles this week.
Monday - 10*400 @ 1.25's (not flat).
Tuesday - 6 mile race pace (mountain).
Wednesday - rest.
Thursday - 6.5 mile gentle (with a 5.50 mile in the middle).
Friday - 5.5 mile multi terrain race (2nd).
Saturday - rest (Olympic size hangover).
Sunday - 23 mile/6200ft hill run.
Need something to train for.
I seem to struggle cycling after running so cant seem to combine the two. If I have a running event [multiterrain/trail usually - not road!]
I have to spend about a fortnight before, just running - when returning to cycling seem to struggle - so when preparing for 100k audax etc need to cycle for at least 2 weeks before and no running!!
You are all lucky to be able to combine the two - perhaps I am just too old!!!! [62]
But! love trail running and love MTBing!!so will struggle on - well done to all those in previous posts who manage the big distances over the fells particulalry the BGR - respect!!!
Did a park run this morning. Never done 5K before, got 17:37 finishing 4th.
Pretty chuffed with that, should translate to a 36:30 10k time and 2:55 marathon roughly
Mileage this week = 60.
Just got back from a 14m. It was flat and I was slow. Nice scenery though...
Good time Dj .
Sat icing my calf, not sure what happened I ran fine but hard on fri then long yesterday with no issues then woke this morning with pain. Feels like Achilles or lower calf. Hopefully just a strain as I want to run the brownlee gold run on Tuesday at Haworth then I have my 10k which I hope to do well at this weekend.
Will rest it tomorrow and hope it goes away as quick as it came.
What a night of Olympics yesterday. Fantastic stuff.
After Tuesdays Brownlee run the plan is to watch the tri on the large screen in the pub where they often race, all race numbers and prizes have been Signed by the brothers.
Got my lost headtorch back today.
Anyway 400 is on ...
Just got back from a 14m. It was flat and I was slow. Nice scenery though...
Did 12.5 earlier today. Busted my gut getting a strava time up the first two hills, but because the person who set the segment has some bent arse GPS that can't follow the road properly, it hasn't recognised my clearly more awesome effort. Spent the rest of the afternoon drowning my sorrows in the pub.
so - after 5 years of running not managing to overcome runners trots for morning runs, meant afternoon/evening running....but...i'm going to have to become an early morning pre-breakfast runner again, which has me worried - anyone else have/overcome this problem?
- anyone else have/overcome this problem?
Wake Up > Coffee > 30Mins or less > Poo > Run
I've kick started my mArathon training this week.
Went out for 2 x 10km runs during the week then put in a 22.5km run on saturday. Did my half marathon in 1.50 which I was fairly happy with.
Cut the bottom of my foot yesterday though which is in a bit of an awkward spot for running on, will have to see how it feels later.
Coffee normaly does the trick, but I have shat in the woods more than I care to remember
if only the previous posts proved that simple @jamie @djglover
the problem is this with my routine goes 1 of 2 ways
up, black coffee -> wait 3 hours -> poo -> run ok pace, then run at above max hr back to house -> more poo
up, black coffee -> run ok pace, then run at above max hr back to house -> poo
for my afternoon its the much more normal
finish work -> long run -> happy smiles
what about overnight timed laxatives? anyone tried those?
Stop the black coffee? Seems to be the one constant there
what about fiber intake. are you eating too much fiber?
so - after 5 years of running not managing to overcome runners trots for morning runs
I've tried immodium instants recently, which seem to work well. More expensive than crack though.
I tend to just make it part of my run; take a doggy bag though (paper is optional).
another tummy question for the runners .
I always get really bloated when running , stomach is really hard , muscle pain and I look like I am 7 months pregnant .
any idea why ?
Could this be the future of running shorts?
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any idea why ?
Not quite sure, but if in September you look 8 months pregnant, then congratulations....you're pregnant.
Anyone got any views on how to taper for a half marathon during marathon training. Got a half next Sunday
I'm reluctant to cut the milage too much with the marathon less than 10 weeks away, but equally I want to get as close to 1:20 as possible..
Might carry on as plan but just take 2 days off beforehand.
