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Brucewee, what forum do fans think it was acceptable behaviour? Be interesting to read.
I’ve no dog in the fight, but it would be good read why legal action after agreeing to T&Cs is acceptable. Rather than bickering, it would be good to see people’s reasoning.
I don’t read the Telegraph tah.
A Daily Mail reader. Interesting.
Brucewee, what forum do fans think it was acceptable behaviour?
http://www.glasgowwarriors.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10952
I think threatening legal action by the SRU was a bad look, particularly in the face of a natural disaster where people lost their lives.
I wonder if the Englandshire supporters are up in arms about Scotland to deflect from their own thobber of a coach's words about the Typhoon Gods?
I wonder if the Englandshire supporters are up in arms about Scotland to deflect from their own thobber of a coach’s words about the Typhoon Gods?
Come on, that's not the same thing at all. That's just looking on the bright side of a natural disaster that claimed the lives of 70 people. It's not like he suggested World Rugby were incompetent.
What did Jones say?
I think it was acceptable for Scotland to explore every avenue to try to get the game played including considering legal action. Why would you not try your best if you believe World Rugby could and should have done better?
It's not life and death and optics might not be great in hindsight but players put their heart and soul into preparing for a world cup, for some it will be their last opportunity to represent their country.
"We can do a lot of different things. We are not concerned at all, we are excited, absolutely excited as it’s a great opportunity. Who would have thought we would have two relatively easy games, one tough game and then two weeks to prepare for a quarter-final. So someone is smiling on us – the typhoon gods maybe?"
Jones is a class act.
It’s not life and death and optics might not be great in hindsight but players put their heart and soul into preparing for a world cup, for some it will be their last opportunity to represent their country.
Very much this. I get it, it looks a bit grubby and petty threatening to go legal, but absolutely no one suggested playing in dangerous conditions. Not a single person was advocating for going out to play rugby under the Great Wave of Kanagawa, just if the game had to be cancelled they find another day to play it.
optics might not be great in hindsight
They weren't very good in foresight, either.
A Daily Mail reader. Interesting.
I don’t read that either. I can’t stand that paper.
So as far as you seem to be concerned the English / RFU can do nothing right and are arrogant (original by the way). And the SRU are beyond reproach?
Jones is an idiot. We’ve done OK under him but he needs to keep his mouth shut.
know better than to tell you what you don’t want to hear.
Sounds a bit like you.
Have bickering little girls taken over the thread, enjoy what's left of the tournament ladies,and remember to step out from your keyboards in occasion, maybe take up cycling.
Indeed, I thought we agreed a couple of pages back to keep this on an even keel. We need a card system and give people a day or so in the bin if they keep sassing back.
I can see the mods getting a lot of biscuits.
. We need a card system and give people a day or so in the bin if they keep sassing back
Ha ha! Good shout! 😆
Although the starting point should be six days with time off for previous good behaviour.
If you’re talking about TJ he isn’t actually King of Scots. He doesn’t speak for all of us.
This is surely treason? Or heresy or something of that ilk?
Burn him at the stake I say!
Hang on a bit, there are other forums?
I think we should all just look forward to some great rugby and no doubt some mediocre dull games as well.
The problem with the card system is we would all end up arguing if it was a red, yellow or warranted a card at all..
Although at least we would have to keep those discussions civil.
My musings...
ENG v AUS
England should be able to win this, if they can neutralise Pocock and Hooper. If they don't...
IRE v NZL
I so, so, so desperately want Ireland to win this one. They won't, but I want them to.
WAL v FRA
Urgh. If it's the Wales from the second half of the opening 6N game onwards, Wales should win fairly easily. If it's the Wales from the first half of that game, France by a hatful!
JPN v RSA
Sad to say, I think this is where the fairy tale ends for Japan.
Bloody hell what happened to this thread?
Cheers for steering it back Captain and yes I don’t think you’re far off but England are good at throwing matches away just by being too complacent.
I dont think Pocock and Hooper are the threat I think some people are under estimating the Aussie front five which is handy and the backs are hard running big ****ers, they should have put Wales away and I'd give Wales a 30:70 chance v England so Aus have a good chance to. England should win but Aus winnibg wouldnt shock me.
Wales should beat France but could fold in the front 5 and lose, 60:40 to Wales.
The other two see SA and NZ as heavy favourites.
Bloody hell what happened to this thread?
The whole world was ready to forget all about the whole lawyer thing and move on with their lives. Then an arrogant English fan who happens to be in charge of the World Cup decided he was going to teach the uppity jocks a lesson. Then a Daily Mail reader came on here to gloat about it and another chippy jock took exception.
National stereotypes were thrown around willy-nilly and Eddie Jones was invoked as the final word in ****ishness.
Brucewee - thanks for the link. Some real interesting comments on that forum. Shame this thread went down hill as there is some very good reading in this thread but also in the glasgowwarrirriors forum linked.
We don't all have to agree with each others point of view, but should be open to differences of opinion and that link does help in that regard. (Some additional information in the link that is not shared in this thread so adds some missing detail)
mindmap3, I apologise. I got caught up in the moment and said something I shouldn't have. If you talk to people who know me they will tell you that I never normally use that word and it is completely out of character for me.
Mods, what's going on? If I call someone a **** or a **** then the swear filter will stop me but it lets me call anyone I want a D***y M**l R*****r? Sort it out!
mindmap3, I apologise
It takes a big man to apologise and that's at least two from you on this thread Bruce. So well done.
I'd buy yourself or any of the other Scotch lads on here a pint if you're ever near Stonehaven.
(Except Duckman, of course 😉)
We need a card system and give people a day or so in the bin if they keep sassing back.
Goof god no, imagine the tumbleweed that would be this thread if the Red Card system is introduce for High & Mighty opinions!
Bruce call me a c**t by all means but suggesting I read the Daily Fail is out of order.
A Scotsman walks into a bar. Usually there’d be an Englishman, an Irishman and a Welshman involved but they’re all still in Japan.
Slightly weird how some folk post more about our team and its supporters than their own on here.
The pots and kettles are at it again:
Yellow.
The pots and kettles are at it again:
> https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/rugby-world-cup/nz-boss-brent-impey-accuses-northern-hemisphere-of-colonialism-against-pacific-nations/news-story/dadcc827c8ab7aecbd63e25e80a77f07
Contracts that effectively force players to put club before country are poor form as far as I’m concerned. Whilst I enjoy club rugby, the international game shouldn’t be the pinnacle of a player’s career.
IMO the World Cup has been utterly fantastic so far and I'm really looking forward to the quarters. The way I see it;
ENG v AUS
Australia should emerge victorious, Cheika is smart and has the players to carry out his game plan. England are strong and fit but unfortunately struggle when things aren't going their way. Aus by 9 points.
IRE v NZL
I fear for Ireland, they aren't playing well and NZ are getting into their stride. But if anyone can beat the All Blacks.......... NZ by 25 points.
WAL v FRA
My strong favourites for the World Cup and this is Wales' best chance. Wales peaking at the right time with the right players. Great coach and the team know how to win. Wales by 15 points.
JPN v RSA
Japan have been inspirational and have a nation behind them. SA are big and strong. If Japan keep hold of the ball then I think they have a good chance but SA will probably prove too strong and dominate in the last quarter of the match. SA by 8 points.
Happy to be completely wrong and probably will be!
Cheika is smart
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50026631
Some interesting points and analysis made in the above link about whether Tier 2 teams are actually closing the gap to the tier 1s.
I would also add one point that I think relevant. Early in one of last weekend's games - I can't remember which - the tier 1 team was penalised (free-kick) immediately for an early push at a scrum. No argument and no discussion needed. Later in the game, the tier 2 team pushed early but the scrum was reset with the ref saying something along the lines of 'I know what you're trying to do but you can't push early'. The rules in these group games don't seem to be applied equally to all teams, with some allowance. some leeway, given to the lesser teams. I wonder if that's the reason we haven't seen so many hammerings? And I wonder whether it's a deliberate policy designed at keeping those nations a bit more interested?
Australia should emerge victorious, Cheika is smart and has the players
Cheika's win rate with Australia as of August was 50% - way below average for an Australian national coach. Australia have only beaten England once with him. His win rates with his previous teams is quite variable as well - he's the not the most convincing of coaches. My money's on England for a convincing win.
Most of us England fans are afraid of what Australia “can” do. Chances are they won’t, but they certainly might.
Most of us England fans are afraid of what Australia “can” do. Chances are they won’t, but they certainly might.
Most accurate summary today.
Speaking to a lot of people (admittedly in between Chester and the Welsh border) there's a general feeling that we're in for a a Wales / AB's final. If Wales win, us arrogant English will claim that the UK team have won the RWC 😉
Nz v SA would be my guess.
Speaking to a lot of people (admittedly in between Chester and the Welsh border) there’s a general feeling that we’re in for a a Wales / AB’s final
Chances are, if you spoke to a lot of people in Bloemfontein, you'd probably get a general feeling for a NZ/SA final.
Ford dropped!
So Jones appears to have fallen into the same trap in the WC as previous coaches...dropping the combination that has worked when the pressure is on.
Ford has been is ten so far and he’s now decided that Farrell is the man, with Manu and Ade outside him. Maybe he was worried about the Aussie 12 who is a unit, but our attack looks better with Ford at 10.
I think this will be Australia’s big WC performance and well on hoping on a plane home.
I'm not surprised about Ford being dropped to be honest. There is going to be a lot of pressure coming down the 10 channel. Also, I don't think Farrell offers anything in attack as a centre.
Glad to see Lawes start, very good player - Kruis will also be destructive coming off the bench in the second half.
Slade is an absolutely fantastic rugby player but it's a big ask coming back from injury to perform in the knockouts.
Looks like a defense first thought from Jones with Ford to have fun with tired legs if needed. A bold call in the battle of dumb vs dumber :/
Slade is an absolutely fantastic rugby player but it’s a big ask coming back from injury to perform in the knockouts.
He’s never quite cemented his place on the international stage though. I really rate him and he appears to have a lot of attributes to be a very very good centre but he still has a habit of drifting in and out of games a tad.